Massacre of Hazaras

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@Mostar

Still, the toll is a few hundred at most, not hundreds of thousands as you suggested. And you dug up links from years gone by.

Your brother Assad has killed over 9,000 Sunnis in Syria during the last year. His father killed 20,000 - 40,000 Sunnis in a single month in 1982.

(http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/27/us-syria-toll-idUSBRE82Q0S820120327)

Bashar Assad Teaches Visiting Members of U.S. Congress How to Fight Terrorism

As for Pakistan, I’ve already provided links to your uninformed brother in the above post. And I’ve told him to stay on 2012. No need to go beyond.

Yes, there has been an ugly sectarian war but shias are not the victims but also perpetrators. I will never for one second believe in their innocence.

Baat nikley gi to bohot door talak jaey gi

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Is that a shia-sunni conflict? Even if it is, it does not justify killing of shias in Pakistan.

And then what Saddam did since 1981?

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why do u keep on saying shia terrorists shia terrorists i can only smell hatred from your posts oh u cant find a name for shias right like you guys have many taliban laskher tayyiba and what not!
and the way your speak i dunno how these two guys are tolerating you even though one of them is a moderatorhimself! i hate those people who think highly of themselves! and look down others

be humble to others and respect them for their knowledge dont hold so much crap for others!

and throughout the history from the time our of Prophet saww and imams shias are the most targeted nation!

i dont have to prove it to you its a known fact if you want to live in dark just to prove others wrong! its your choice ! I dont think any post will make you change your mind filled of hatred towards shias.
at the end of the day they all are muslims! and most important issue here is that muslims are being targeted ! whethers its shias or sunnis but since you are putting all your energy just to prove sunnis brothers are killed by shias! which i highly doubt! you wont see it! and yes the reason why shias are being highlighted here is just cuz that when shias get killed they dont get coverage by the media! and people should know about it !

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your source of information is incorrect the links that you have provided all of them are pro sunnis
JIT
Jang
Daily ummat
therefore try to provide ius with neutral sources!
you seem to be suffering from deliberate blocking of facts or total lack of knowledge !

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I'll add a few things here, as far as Karachi is concerned its dynamics are very complex to fathom especially for some one who has not lived there, and I'll admit that I have never lived in that city. I do not support any sectarian killing, believe you me I have been through the times of extreme sectarianism in Punjab and it was really scary, I sincerely hope that all concerned parties would have learnt from it and do not throw the country into that situation again.

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I don't get why anyone would try to justfiy or ignore the brutal killing of a human being! Shias are being killed and it is a responsibility for everyone in Pakistan who is a civilized human being to step up and raise their voice against these atrocities. The reality of the situation is far more brutal than anyone can fathom. If Murfid your brothers were killed in front of you by hammers and bricks you wouldn't be on this forum justifying the killing of these people. Rather than spill hate and worsen the situation try to follow the principles that our Holy Prophet(S.A.W) has taught us and stand up for humans just because they are humans. These killings are a shame to the people of Pakistan and are ruining the image of the country all over the World. As far as you mentioning the Syrian regime I don't think any Shia appreciates that and we are willing to voice our support for those victims but you guys don't even accept whats going on in Bahrain, KSA and other countries including Pakistan where every day our Shia brehtren are slaughtered like a bunch of animals. Have you no shame? Have you no decensy? Supporting a bunch of hypocrites who fight in the name of religion yet do nothing but belittle the efforts of our Holy Prophet(S.A.W) paints a very bad picture of you personally.

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Thanks for your rants sans any facts. Last I checked, Jang is the largest daily in Pakistan and Ummat is the second most read paper in Karachi.

Jang is full of your creed and so is Geo. Oh, sorry I forgot. Neutral sources in your mind only belong to Irani newspapers, which are a laughing stock when it comes to standard of journalism.

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I will call terrorists as they are one. You can't stop me from doing that. I guess you are the one who is suffering from severe hatred. I mentioned in many earlier posts that it is a two-way traffic in which shias are equally involved. They are not the victims.

And you have Sipha Muhammad, TNFJ, ISO, Pasdaran, Quds Force, Hezbollah, Amal, Mehdi, and God knows how many other terrorist organizations.

As for the moderators, they know that they cannot block my opinion. I've kept it very much civil and provided so many links, which many of them have failed to do so. I also reserve the right to complain to the high-ups of GS if I sense any wrongdoing by them. Don't underestimate me!

And don't even get me started from the times of the Prophet. It will be good for your own and for the atmosphere of this forum. Otherwise, I have no objection in demolishing every claim made by the shias. Lets keep the discussion out of that as this can turn very acrimonious.

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I am not spreading hatred FY1. If you read my earlier posts, I am only saying that it is a two-way traffic and shias should admit that there are some black sheep among their creed. They cannot try to hoodwink and say that they are only the victims.

As for Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are fully supporting the Assad regime. I don't see where shias are voicing their support for the innocent Sunnis of Syria. In fact, I saw ISO guys raising slogans in favor of Assad last month in Karachi.

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This can drag on and on. I will, however, end my discussion these points.

  • Nearly half of Hazaras are Afghan refugees and need to be sent back home along with their Pashtun and Tajik brethren
  • Those arriving before 1947 are Pakistanis. They should act as Pakistanis and stop acting as proxies of Iran
  • Shias are equally involved in terrorism activities; those refusing that need to get their head examined
  • Shias are highly active in the protest politics and their news is widely reported; the media is full of their creed
  • In Karachi alone, shias come on the streets, burn vehicles, attack mosques and kill people
  • Ashura 2009 blasts were perpetrated by shias themselves
  • Shias have gained more clout than their actual population and this reflects the great generosity of the majority Sunni population.

Compare this to Iran where Sunnis are not even allowed the freedom of religion. There is not even a Sunni mosque in Tehran. Now don't get me started on the false rhetoric that Iranis pray in the same mosques. I have seen separate shia mosques in the occupied Irani Balochistan. There is no such thing as brotherhood in Iran and Sunnis are totally oppressed.

Compare this to Pakistan where Shias, despite a minority, have been the president, PM, national assembly speaker and senate chairman. The Bhutto family is shia and will never be able to win even a few seats if they don't get Sunni votes. Yahya Khan, the worst dictator/ruler of Pakistan was a shia.

It is our great generosity that we have voted for shias despite knowing that they curse our holiest figures day and night and harbor great hatred for us. W

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This can drag on and on. I will, however, end my discussion these points.

  • Nearly half of Hazaras are Afghan refugees and need to be sent back home along with their Pashtun and Tajik brethren
  • Those arriving before 1947 are Pakistanis. They should act as Pakistanis and stop acting as proxies of Iran
  • Shias are equally involved in terrorism activities; those refusing that need to get their head examined
  • Shias are highly active in the protest and arson politics and their news is widely reported; the media is full of their creed
  • In Karachi alone, shias come on the streets, burn vehicles, attack mosques and kill people
  • Ashura 2009 blasts were perpetrated by shias themselves
  • Shias have gained more clout than their actual population and this reflects the great generosity of the majority Sunni population.

**Compare this to Iran where Sunnis are not even allowed the freedom of religion. There is not even a Sunni mosque in Tehran. Now don't get me started on the false rhetoric that Iranis pray in the same mosques. I have seen separate shia mosques in the occupied Irani Balochistan. There is no such thing as brotherhood in Iran and Sunnis are totally oppressed.

Compare this to Pakistan where Shias, despite a minority, have been the president, PM, national assembly speaker and senate chairman. The Bhutto family is shia and will never be able to win even a few seats if they don't get Sunni votes. Yahya Khan, the worst dictator/ruler of Pakistan was a shia.

It is our great generosity that we have voted for shias despite knowing that they curse our holiest figures day and night and harbor great hatred for us. Be very afraid of the time when Sunnis realize what is happening to them. Don't take things to that level. It will be good for your own. Even Iran will close its borders if things go bad in Pakistan for your creed.

That's the end of discussion from my side. May Allah instill some knowledge in you people. Peace on All!**

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There was no discussion to begin with! I don't see how the Iranian domestic policies or Syrian policies or the domestic policies Saudi Arab, Bahrain etc should dictate how we the Pakistani populace deal with our issues. You cite great examples of other inexplicable and horrific events that unfortunately have taken place yet you have done nothing about it. The purpose of the OP from what I understand was to raise awareness of the atrocities being carried out against the Shia's which is a fact. The issue must be dealt with by the government of Pakistan who is turning away from this as if it is not even happening.

All the other stuff that you have written about is so misinformed and illogical that I won't even begin to give my two cents on it.
WSalam.

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Governor Balochistan says that if target killings are not stopped, then civil war could begin in the province.

Balochistan governor fears civil war in province | DAWN.COM

**QUETTA: Governor Balochistan Nawab Zulfiqar Ali Magsi on Friday said he feared a civil war would erupt in the province if target killings continued unabated, DawnNews reported.
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**Speaking to provincial ministers and members of the Hazara Democratic Party, the governor questioned the strength of the cabinet, saying there was no need for a cabinet this large if the provincial government was unable to curtail the deteriorating law and order situation in the province.
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**“Time and again, more and more people are becoming victims of target killings, and not a single suspect has been taken into custody as yet. This is a proof of our government and law enforcement authorities’ failure,” said Magsi.
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“If the military was summoned to restore the law and order in the province, then it will be problematic for the civilian government and the administration,” he added.

Magsi ordered the Provincial Home Secretary Naseebullah Bazai to immediately take notice of target killings and initiate a crackdown on the purported miscreants.

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Nadeem Afzal Gondal MNA PPPP Speech in parliament on the killing of Shia in Pakistan - YouTube

Nadeem Gondal MNA powerful speech on the killings of shias in Pakistan!

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seems like a third force want to create division! werna honestly a lover of Prophet Muhammad saw wouldnt even think about hurting his brother verbally, let alone taking away his life!
people who are doing this are inhumane and have sold their souls! its about time every Pakistani stand up against these brutal killings, who are trying their best to create rifts between sunnis and shias! we shouldnt let them win ... we should all join hands to eradicate these elements from our society!

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Shias rally against sectarianism across the country | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Thousands of Shia Muslims rallied across Pakistan on Friday to protest against sectarian violence and demand the government to provide security for their community.
At least 14 people were killed and more than 50 wounded in sectarian violence in northern Pakistan on April 3, prompting the government to deploy troops and impose a curfew in the northern towns of Gilgit and Chilas.
Around 2,500 people staged a sit-in outside the parliament building in Islamabad on Friday, an AFP photographer said, a demonstration organised by the Majlis-e-Wahdatul Muslimeen (MWM), a Shia religious party.
Rallies were also held in the central city of Multan, Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, and the southwestern city of Quetta where protestors called for action against those involved in killing Shias.
Human rights groups have heavily criticised the government for failing to crack down on sectarian violence between the country’s majority Sunni and minority Shia Muslim communities that has killed thousands.

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and why would they do that? what for?

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for my own good? you should worry about your own good! you have no objection demolishing every claim by the shias ! and yet you think that i am suffering from severe hatred ?
your only point is to prove shias wrong! i dont want to argue on any shia sunni conflicts! i think we all should just keep this in mind that both are muslims! and am not underestimating you!
i know you can go to any extreme to prove your point which i have seen in your posts below that the shias were involved in the ashura blasts! i can clearly visualize your mentality at this point!

go and check this month figures for how many shias got killed this month in karachi and how many sunnis got killed this month in karachi!
and then check if jang or jit or ummat even reports those news! you are highly misguided or God knows you are just trying to spread hatred

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The situation is getting serious with each passing day, Hazaras are claiming that 8 of them have been killed today in Quetta Brewery Road. And they also claim that they have been recieving threatening letters to leave Balochistan in 2012, therefore it seems to be a planned genocide.

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And this .

I am always afraid .