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I have seen one source which mentions that some hazaras were there in Quetta in 1835, and yes afghan war started 33 years ago (my bad). But does it make any difference many people who constitute Pakistan now have had their forefathers migrating from different areas throughout century (Greeks, Huns, sakas, Arabs and afghans etc). That's our history and I think that's the beauty of our country, we can use that as a strength or a dividing factor.
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And I have seen a demand of army action to save them on face book .
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I have seen one source which mentions that some hazaras were there in Quetta in 1835, and yes afghan war started 33 years ago (my bad). But does it make any difference many people who constitute Pakistan now have had their forefathers migrating from different areas throughout century (Greeks, Huns, sakas, Arabs and afghans etc). That's our history and I think that's the beauty of our country, we can use that as a strength or a dividing factor.
It makes a huge difference. Please share that source about Hazara in 1935. At most, there will be a few laborers at that time, not an entire colony. You cannot compare the people who came here centuries ago and I mean centuries (even millenniums) here with the Afghan refugees, many of whom come in the late 1980s when civil war started after the Soviets left.
Forgot to mention an important fact. Pashtuns did arrive immediately after 1979 as they put up a strong resistance to the red army right from the start. Hazaras and Tajiks came in the late 1980s when the civil war started. They were helping the red army or at most were indifferent to the occupation. If you have read A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khalid Huseni then you will find that non Pashtuns only left for Pakistan after 1989 when the civil war started. This means that nearly half of the Hazaras have been here for not more than 22 years. They are not Pakistanis though they have illegally acquired citizenship. Yes, those living for the last 100 years are Pakistanis.
I personally don't think of Afghan refugees as Pakistanis and I include all irrespective of the ethnicity. They have done little good to our society. When 300,000 Pakistanis are stranded in Bangladesh in the worst conditions for the last 40 years, it looks criminal to paint Afghans refugees as the great law-abiding citizens of Pakistan.
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More than 500,000 shias have been killed in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan during last 30 years or so. And some in KSA and Bahrain too.
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I am not portraying them as law abiding people, while the Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh are languishing in camps, most of the Afghans in Pakistan are residing in cities and they are not in any government records which I think is more dangerous.
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Suni shia split destroyed muslims all over the world . It was a freaken political situation , get over it .
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More than 500,000 shias have been killed in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan during last 30 years or so. And some in KSA and Bahrain too.
I can't believe for even a second that thousands of shias have been killed in Pakistan. Karachi newspapers are full of reports of Sunnis being killed by shias. Yes, some retaliatory killings have also occurred. In the 90s, Sunnis died in much larger numbers than the shias. That's what I said earlier that it is an ugly sectarian war in which no party is innocent.
As for Iraq, thousands of Sunnis have been killed ever since the shias came into power.
The best defenders of Bahrain have not been able to prove a little more than a two dozen deaths and the shias there also killed many innocent expatriates including Pakistanis.
Shias have killed at least 10,000 Sunnis in Syria and still doing that with full help of Iran and Hezbollah.
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I am not portraying them as law abiding people, while the Pakistanis stranded in Bangladesh are languishing in camps, most of the Afghans in Pakistan are residing in cities and they are not in any government records which I think is more dangerous.
Wiki is not a reliable reference site. As I said earlier, there might have been a few dozen hazaras at that time but there was no colony of them. Half of them arrived a century ago and the rest are Afghan refugees, who should be sent home along with their Tajik and Pashtun countrymen.
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You are right in many aspects, many Hazaras came in the 19th century (i.e 1800’s) which makes them in the region for about 1-2 centuries. And then some came after the Afghan war, here I am posting an article about the history of Hazaras and their relationship with Pakistan.
Who are the Hazara? – The Express Tribune
**There are over 900,000 Hazara living in Pakistan, a figure larger than the population of Washington DC. Yet this is a vulnerable community, besieged by anti-Shia violence on one side and drawing suspicion and indifference in equal measure on the other.
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Old news, a Hazara might say, as a brief look at the community’s past reveals a tradition of persecution, of which yesterday’s attack in Quetta is but the latest atrocity.
The origins of the Hazara are disputed, though there are three primary theories. The Hazara could be of Turko-Mongol ancestry, descendants of an occupying army left in Afghanistan by Genghis Khan. A second theory goes back two millennia to the Kushan Dynasty, when Bamiyan in Afghanistan – home to the large statues blown up by the Taliban – was a centre of Buddhist civilisation. Subscribers to this idea point to the similar facial structure of the Hazaras with those of Buddhist murals and statues in the region.
The most widely-accepted theory is something of a compromise: that the Hazara are mixed-race. Certain Mongol tribes did travel to eastern Persia and what is modern-day Afghanistan, putting down roots and integrating with the indigenous community. This group then formed their own community which became the Hazara, with their distinctive facial features, sometimes termed Mongoloid, which bear the origins of their central Asian ancestry.
Either way the Hazara settled in central Afghanistan, though in the mid-19[SUP]th[/SUP] Century their brutal history of persecution began when more than half their population was killed or forced into exile.
The Pashtun Amir Abdul Rehman, who the British termed Afghanistan’s Iron Amir during the Raj, invaded the Hazara homeland in the country’s central highlands, forcing them to give up land, and pushing many into exile in Balochistan.
**There was already Hazara movement into British India by this point, with migrants working in labour-intensity jobs such as mining. Some Hazaras also came to Quetta during the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Century to work on the construction of Indian railways. However, the majority were forced to leave by Rehman’s ethnic cleansing.
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**But the Hazaras’ history is not exclusively one of victimhood. In 1907 British officer Colonel Claude Jacob raised a regiment made up solely of Hazaras, who had developed a reputation for martial strength, perhaps based on a romanticisation of their possible lineage to Genghis Khan.
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The Hazaras who did not make the military cut found jobs as unskilled labourers, for despite their knowledge of agriculture, they owned no land in their new territory.
Quetta’s 1935 earthquake actually helped the Hazara community in some ways. The migration away from the city after the disaster opened up positions in semi-skilled labour, which led some Hazaras to become shopkeepers, tailors and mechanics.
The Second World War saw more Hazaras enlisted by the British Indian Army. Some thrived: one of them was General Musa Khan, who led Pakistan in the 1965 war against India.
**Since Partition, however, the Hazaras have remained an underprivileged community. Currently between 500,000 and 600,000 live in Quetta, spread over two slums in the east and west of the city. A large proportion of their income is remittance payments from Iran, the Gulf, Europe and Australia.
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**Among the Hazara in Quetta are tens of thousands of new migrants escaping the wrath of the Taliban. Persecution of Hazaras persists in Afghanistan, where the Taliban have shown no let-up in their attack on Shias, burning villages and kidnapping community members, forcing further emigration into Pakistan.
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**In Pakistan, the sectarian violence also has a geopolitical context, with a deeply-embedded belief that the Hazara receive Iranian support. General Zia allowed state actors to support anti-Hazara groups for this reason. As mentioned by columnist Ejaz Haider in this newspaper recently, the view of the Hazara as Iranian proxies still persists in Balochistan.
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Four days ago, rallies in Australia, the US, the UK, Austria, Norway, Denmark and Canada marked an international day of protest against the unending wave of attacks on Hazaras in Pakistan. The call has evidently not been heard. Indeed, approximately 250 Hazara citizens of Pakistan have been killed in the past three years.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 5[SUP]th[/SUP], 2011.
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I am fed up of teaching you the basics of history. You need to learn a lot. First you were even unaware of the time when the Russians invaded Afghanistan and said that refugees have been living here for 40 years when the actual time is 33 years and that too for the Pashtun refugees. Hazaras and Tajiks didn’t arrive until 1989 when the civil war started.
Then, you said that Hazaras have been living here for centuries, which is a criminal exaggeration. As I’ve said earlier, nearly half of them have been living for a century (not two as you are again trying to establish).
Now this article you mentioned is written more like an opinion piece than an actual report. ET has the worst journalism standards in the English press. Still, if one believes that, it clearly states that tens of thousands of new migrants joined the Hazara community in recent years. The same article said that Hazaras number around 900,000, which I again think is not correct.
Even if one believes that, more than half of them are Afghan refugees, according to the article you just posted. They are not Pakistanis and should be sent home. **At a time when unemployment runs high and the Baloch are angry, these people are usurping their rights. Only those arriving before 1947 should be considered as Pakistanis.
**The same article also said that there have been reports of them acting as proxies of Iran. This needs to be taken seriously.
I’ve already made my points clear. Peace!
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I dont want to learn history from you I know that Afghan war started in 1979, 40 years was a typo from me (and I did mention that in my previous post).
Btw some info for you regarding 19th century.
The fact is that the Hazaras are in Pakistan now, its the government to provide security to the Pakistanis as well as Afghan refugees (both shias and sunnis) until they are on our soil. We will see if the Afghan refugees are repatriated or not.
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2 more Hazaras killed today.
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Car bomb blast kills 11 in Quetta | DAWN.COM
Pakistan bombing kills 23, may be tied to Al Qaeda arrests - Los Angeles Times
BBC News - Pakistan suicide attack kills 10 at Quetta hospital
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^ BBC report from Oct last year, I think 5 more Hazaras have been killed today in Quetta.
BBC News - Pakistan’s evolving sectarian schism
The list of recent sectarian attacks makes for grim reading:
As far as Karachi is concerned most of the sunnis who have been killed are barelvis, and they hold governments allies (i presume MQM) for that, and then taleban/LJ etc have also been killing them.
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This is from 2003BBC NEWS | South Asia | Militants ‘claim’ Quetta killings
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Can anyone answer with the atrocities of this scale on sunnies?
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Did not want to continue discussion with you given your “great knowledge” but had to call the bluff this time. It is so important.
This either stems from total lack of knowledge or deliberate blocking of facts. Who said that barelvis are being killed? An overwhelming number are Deobandis. Since you need to be spoon-fed, go scour the city pages of Karachi and look at the killings for any date you want.
Don’t dig up news from early 2009 as you have done now. Just focus on 2012. That will be enough.
As for the MQM, it is dominated by shias. Those who know Karachi are fully aware that shia terrorists are also MQM workers. Just so you know, it was MQM that was involved in the 2009 ashura blasts.
Syed Haider Abbas Rizvi of MQM is head of Target Killers : JIT | Facebook