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PM orders for targeted operation in Quetta | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
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Umar Cheema @UmarCheema1](https://twitter.com/UmarCheema1)
**1/3: When GHQ was under attack, Moulana Ludhyanvi and Malik Ishaq were flown there on ArmyChief/DG ISI planes fr negotiation with attackers
**Umar Cheema @UmarCheema1](https://twitter.com/UmarCheema1)
2/3:Lead attacker,basically from #LeJ](https://twitter.com/search?q=%23LeJ&src=hash), ‘Dr’ Usman was furious to see them. Said:'I’d hv wished to die instead seeing u here from GHQ side."
****Umar Cheema @UmarCheema1](https://twitter.com/UmarCheema1)
3/3: They tried to console him; failed. Those who think Army/ISI is in control of these monsters, are wrong.They now fear from them.#Pity](https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pity&src=hash)
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What steps is the Hazara community taking to stop target killings of sunni ulema in Quetta by Hazara shias?
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What steps is the Hazara community taking to stop target killings of sunni ulema in Quetta by Hazara shias?
Which sunni ulemas are being killed in Quetta?
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Any word from our beloved head of the state? or is bunker too comfy for him to do something?
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BBC News - Quetta anti-Shia bombing: Pakistan police detain ‘170’
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**Pakistan’s all-powerful military intelligence services have been on the receiving end of unusually harsh public criticism for being “scared to take action” against militant groups in the wake of a bomb attack that killed 85 members of the Hazara ethnic minority.
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**A senior politician and the country’s highest-profile television journalist have lashed out at the military Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency (ISI) after Saturday’s mass killings in the troubled city of Quetta, which sparked countrywide protests.
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**Hamid Mir, who present’s Pakistan’s most popular news show, said the ISI had ignored a tide of sectarian bloodshed after deliberately creating “private death squads” to fight a war against separatists in the country’s troubled Baluchistan province.
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Mir’s remarks came after the governor of Baluchistan said the huge blast in a crowded market showed a “failure of our intelligence agencies”.
**The security forces are either “scared or cannot take action against” militant groups, governor Zulfiqar Magsi said.
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Human rights groups that have previously dared to make similar claims – usually couched in far more diplomatic language – have been vilified by the army.
Mir spoke out, both to the Guardian and in a column in the country’s biggest Urdu language newspaper, amid continued outrage over the bombing, which used nearly a tonne of explosives hidden in a water tanker.
Demonstrations took place across the country on Monday in protest at the attack, which was claimed by the banned Sunni militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Karachi was almost completely shut down by a one-day strike.
Nadeem Paracha, a columnist for the Dawn newspaper, said a “sense of horror and tragedy is being felt by all Pakistanis … It’s very noticeable that this is the first time the people are not just blaming the government, but asking what exactly the intelligence agencies that are paid millions of rupees up to?”
Quetta’s Hazara community, which is overwhelmingly drawn from the minority Shia sect of Islam, mounted a powerful protest by ignoring the Islamic burial custom of quickly burying the dead. Community leaders vowed the bodies of 71 victims would remain on public display in a prayer hall until their demands for action were met.
“We want concrete actions,” said Abdul Khaliq Hazara, the president of the Hazara Democratic party said. “They are killing our women, our young people and even young children aged three to five.”
It was the second time in five weeks that the Hazaras had taken the drastic step. In January, nearly 100 victims of a vicious double bombing at a snooker hall were laid out on the streets. The prime minister responded by flying to Quetta and sacking the provincial government.
But rule by a governor directly appointed by Islamabad has not been able to stop what has been termed a “Shia genocide” in Pakistan. Many Shias are demanding the army take direct control of Baluchistan, something critics of military policy in the province say misses the point.
“The fact is that the military and paramilitary forces have been in control of the province all the time,” said Ali Dayan Hasan, Pakistan director of Human Rights Watch.
“When protesters demand army rule in Quetta in effect what they are doing is calling the army’s bluff, asking it to take responsibility for what it has in fact been in charge of all along.”
But it is criticism from popular journalists like Mir, who was once thought to be close to the army, that will most sting the ISI.
**“Some of these people who go by the name of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are part of the same private death squads created by the security agencies against Baluch militants,” Mir told the Guardian hours before he prepared to repeat his claims on his hugely popular programme Capital Talk.
"Yes, sometimes they oblige the security agencies by taking action against the Baluch militants, but on the other hand they quietly organise their own actions against the Shia community.
“Every Pakistani is aware that this is a complete failure by the intelligence agencies. Now we want to know, what action has the governor of the province, or the president, or the army chief, taken against these failed intelligence operators?”
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**Violence by Sunni fundamentalists against Shias, who they regard as apostates, is a growing problem in Pakistan. There have been attacks in every major city and murderous ambushes of buses carrying Shia passengers in the mountainous north.
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The outlook for Quetta’s 500,000 Hazaras is especially bleak. As an ethnic group, they have distinctive features that make them easy to target and also speak a dialect of Persian.
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Any word from our beloved head of the state? or is bunker too comfy for him to do something?
He is enjoying all this from his new billionaire house and eating pop corns!
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I can not understand how this is being called intelligence failure. Intelligence agencies know what is taking place and this fact is outlined in the investigative report that appeared in 'The News' yesterday too. They did what their job is including even naming the people involved in these recent attacks.
The real problem is the lack of will on part of politicians and law enforcement agencies who are scared to be the ones to take action against their fellow Muslim "brothers". And there is serious confusion and fear on the part of political parties too. You have case of ANP who are the most vocal critic of Taliban, and the party who has lost many leaders due to this, now calling all parties conference to talk about "talks" with Taliban!!!! I mean if politician of stature of Benazir can be killed, and a army chief like Musharraf can be attacked then who is safe!!
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CENTCOM offers prayers and extends condolences to the families, and loved ones, of those victims who died as a result of the recent terrorist attack in Quetta. Terrorists have once again portrayed their cowardice by target innocent defenseless people just because their beliefs are different. Intolerance towards people of different religions and ethnicities is an unfortunate phenomenon that can be lessened through education and teachings of tolerance; however, it is a crime to conduct violent attacks based on hatred and intolerance of other religions and ethnicities. We should never turn a blind eye towards these terrorist attacks that have plagued the world. We stand united with the Pakistani people and military in their struggle against terrorism.
Ali Khan
DET – U.S. Central Command
www.centcom.mil/ur
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^what about Lashkar e Jhangvi (lashkar e Jhannumi in reality) and their relations with American embassy in Islamabad? Sheikh Waqas Akram, a member of National Assembly of Pakistan, too mentioned that on TV yesterday. What do you say to that Ali Khan?
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speaking of those 170 suspects police arrested, we know it once the attention is diverted, all of them will go scott free, it just a matter of time.. i have no faith in Balochistan police.
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Families of victims have ended the protests… Families of Quetta tragedy victims agree to end protests – The Express Tribune
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bhai tum kon ho…is there any job with CENTCOM…i will do anything for you guys, just get me US citizenship … i belong to Mir Jafar khandan!!!
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Please do not think that you posting amongst those who have no education, no knowledge about history, no access to internet, no ability to think, and no intelligence. Your post are getting read by people who are mostly educated, have some knowledge of history, have access to internet if they do not know of something, who can think, and most have basic intelligence too (though some really seems to be completely empty in their upper-chamber). So, when you post, please talk sense and truth. 
1: Salah-ud-din Ayubi:
Salah-ud-din Ayubi: Though I am posting his background from Wikipedia, you can also read various history books and you will find the same. To make things easy, I am also giving introduction of some characters mentioned (in Wikipedia abstract so to make life easy):
Shirkuh = Salahuddin Ayubi Uncle with whom Salauddin moved to Egypt to serve Fatimid Khalafat.
Nur-ad-Din = ‘Nur-ud-din Zangi’ was king of Zangid dynasty (a Turkish dynasty ruling Syria and part of Iraq) founded by Imad-ud-din Zangi.
Al-Adid: Last Fatimid Khalif who appointed Salhauddin ‘Vazir’ (and later, on his death bed was also wanted to make Salah-uddin guardian of his children). Without Al-Abid’s knowledge, Salah-ud-din once becoming ‘Vazir’ of Al-Abid, started working against Fatimid Khalafat and after the death of Al-Adid, Salahuddin took over the government and aligned himself with Abbasid Khalif in Baghdad.
Salah-uddin actual name was Yusuf-ad-din. Salah-ud-din father name was Najm-ud-din Ayub who was of Kurdish background working for Saljuks as Keeper (custodian) of Takrit (Iraq).
Wikipedia abstract (But you can also confirm this historical facts from various sources): Originally sent to Fatimid Egypt in 1163 with his uncle Shirkuh by their Zengid lord Nur ad-Din, Saladin climbed the ranks of the Fatimid government as a result of his military successes against Crusader assaults on its territory and his personal closeness to the caliph al-Adid. When Shirkuh died in 1169, al-Adid a2ppointed Saladin vizier, a rare nomination of a Sunni Muslim to such an important position in the Shia Muslim-controlled caliphate. During his term as vizier, Saladin began to undermine the Fatimid establishment and following al-Adid’s death in 1171, he took over government and realigned the country’s allegiance with the SunniBaghdad-based Abbasid Caliphate. In the following years, he led forays against the Crusaders in Palestine, ordered the successful conquest of Yemen and stave off pro-Fatimid rebellions in Upper Egypt.
**2: Humayun: **
You are writing as if we are all idiots :). Please give some respect to our intelligence as we are not idiots or those who have no ability to think. Anyhow, looking at your post:
Do you mean to say that Safavids who were themselves powerful enough to capture India, instead of invading India, patronised a loser King Humayun and gave him an army (including best of Iranian 12000 choice cavalry) to establish himself, so that Humayun captures and establish Shia empire in India?
If Safavids were so interested in establishing Shia empire in India (or annex India with their own Safavid empire), then instead of giving a strong army to Humayun, why Safavids did not invaded India themselves? Have you got any reason … or was it that Safavids never thought of that because they had ‘ilm-ul-ghayeb’ that only army under Humayun, a loser king, would be able to defeat Sher-shah Suri’s army and capture India back?
Nadir Shah:
Nadir Shah captured India and then left India giving the kingdom back to Mughal ruler (Muhammad Shah) who was Sunni. So, if Iranians had territorial ambition or were so interested to extend their territorial influences or Shia rule, then why Nadir Shah returned back to Iran after defeating Mughal army and capturing India, and best part is that, letting Sunni Mughals rule continue in India? Why not change the ruler and give the reign to some Shia person?
If that is the case then what you think elite ruling class Meccan did to family of Prophet (SAW) for defeating them and destroying all the idols they worshipped?
Fact is that, Shia claim that Umar (RA) attacked Fatima (RA) injuring her, and deprived Ali (RA) from Khalafat. Fatima (RA) was daughter of Prophet (SAW) and Ali (RA) was his closest blood relative. Ali (RA) was not only first cousin of Prophet (SAW) with fathers being real brothers (not step brother), but was raised by Prophet (SAW) from childhood.
Actually, there are more Shias in world then Iran and Shias being anti-Umar (RA) is nothing to do with Iran getting occupied by Muslims when Umar (RA) was Khalifa. Rather:
If Sunnis would accept Shia version of history (what we do not) then we would be anti-Umar (RA) too, as for Muslims, our loyalty is first with Prophet (SAW) and family of Prophet (SAW), especially close blood relatives and children of Prophet (SAW). It is Islamic duty to love Prophet (SAW) and no one can be Muslim if he do not love Prophet (SAW), and it is natural that if one loves someone, loving the children of that person is must. We Muslims send Darood and Salaam to Prophet (SAW) and children of Prophet (SAW) in all our Salaat (Namaz).
So, all is to do with version of history that came to us from past. For Sunnis, we believe that no such thing happened what Shia claim. For Shias, that is what happened and thus their dislike for Umar (RA).
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^^^
This sort of discussion is totally irrelevant in present state of affairs. Bangladesh has declared themselves as a secular country where state does not indulge in to historical disputes of theological nature. This useless exercise of trying to justify from historical prospects that one sect of religious followers are not following the correct theological ideology is totally non productive. What needs to be done is that we have to accept that people from every divide of theological differences exist in Pakistan. Instead of trying to correct them in proper theological ideology.. the discussion should be focused on co existence. This can be only done by separating state from theological ideologies..
I have in the past also given a very clear route to achieve this objective. We need to differentiate between sins and crimes. State should only be concerned with crimes.. We have to declare clearly that state can not adopt any religion as the official religion of the state. We need to discuss how we can co exist despite differences in theological ideologies..
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Nadeem F. Paracha @NadeemfParacha](https://twitter.com/NadeemfParacha) More power to the dharnas. They’re a mirror to army, politicians & public still dancing to the tune of Riyals, lies & strategic ass(et)s.
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The Dharna is not shia!
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When I joined the Dharna at Bilawal House last month, I had arrived 10 hours after the proceedings had started. The place was already packed with thousands of Shia protesters and being a Sunni I was intimidated. The repeated chants of “Labaik Ya Hussian” and “Ya Ali” were deafening and frightening. I was confused whether I should join in as I actually pondered if these chants were blasphemous.
I felt alienated listening to various references to the Imams who aren’t discussed in our mainstream curriculum. Speaker after speaker made references to how the Shia population was a target, how they were the oppressed, how they were the victims. I felt frustrated thinking that the Quetta bombing was first and foremost a human tragedy, a national tragedy so why wasn’t it being treated as one.
I looked around and found the answer. If the protest was not a national protest, then why should I expect the victims to be identified as Pakistanis. If the organizers were Shia and the vast majority of protesters were Shia then why shouldn’t they have the right to highlight their victimization at a sectarian level.
**Belonging to the majority sect of Pakistan, it was embarrassing to find myself in the minority in this protest. **
At that time I realized that I was not intimidated because the Shias were hostile or unfriendly upon learning about my sect. In fact every Shia who learnt about my identity, came forward, shook my hand and thanked me for coming. The fear crept from inside from my deep rooted bias which is instilled in most Sunni children as how Shias secretly hate Sunnis. Sadly, the opposite appeared to be true.
When I arrived along with my friends, there were just three people standing on Teen Talwar looking in all directions trying to spot co-protesters. We walked up and joined it. People drove by paying no attention. 10 more people joined in, but the bystanders appeared unbothered. Suddenly, I heard someone scream at the top of their voice “Naray-e-Haideri!”. The cars slowed down, the traffic Police took notice. I turned around to find that the voice was not of a Shia protestor, but of my friend, Nadir, a Sunni. I couldn’t hold back the smile on my face. What started with 3, reached the strength of close to 3000 in a few hours.
***This time slogans were not chanted against America but against Taliban. Western Powers were not blamed for sectarian violence, but Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sahaba were bluntly blamed. This Dharna was not in denial. They were willing to accept that terrorism is a home grown problem. ***
Protesters stopped chanting “tum kitnay shia maro gey?” and asked “tum kitnay insaan maro gey?”
The goods things from the Bilawal House Dharna were also carried forward here and one had to be there to note those finer details. Teenage **boys who were risking their life by volunteering as security guards (unarmed), then there were volunteers who had made a makeshift kitchen and were serving tea, then there were those who were distributing juices, biscuits and biryanis, then there volunteers as young as 5 and as old as 70 carrying out trash bags collecting used paper cups and wrappers. No public or private property was allowed to be damaged. In all of those volunteers there were lessons to be learnt; the lesson of selflessness, the lesson of civic responsibility, the lesson of unconditional patriotism and the lesson of community.
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Unfortunately, one sad fact also remained common between both Dharnas. Sunnis were again a minority. And now I want to ask the Sunni readers why? Why is Hazara killings not our concern? Why is Shia genocide not our concern? If it is then where were the Sunni Protesters? Why did we let this Dharna be reduced to a Shia protest too? Does only the death of a Sunni boy or girl has the exclusive privilege of being reported as a Pakistani death?
For those Sunni readers who really aren’t bothered about a Shia death, they should know that not all Hazaras who died in the bomb blasts were Shia.
Attending the protest as a Sunni did not make me a better Pakistani, but what did sitting at home and just updating your facebook status against the genocide made you?
Step up and step out. Be a part of something. Make the protest Pakistani. Make this tragedy Pakistani. Make the demands Pakistani. Make yourself Pakistani.
The Indus Ripple: The Dharna is not Shia!
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Why would Sunni protest with Shias against the govt. Unless they mean that govt is getting shias killed i think they are barking up the wrong tree. No matter how much they protest govt's hands are tied as they dont have capability to either do it or stop it.
Shias need to get with other opressed minorities and demonstrate to make a secular govt. Only way they can get protection is if state is not being dictated by religion or vice versa.