Mass arrests of Muslims in LA

US immigration officials in Southern California have detained hundreds of Iranians and other Muslim men who turned up to register under residence laws brought in as part of the anti-terror drive.

500 and 700 men were arrested in and around Los Angeles after they complied with an order to register by 16 December.

**The arrests sparked angry protests in Los Angeles by thousands of Iranian-Americans waving banners which read “What’s next? Concentration camps?” and “Free our fathers, brothers, husbands and sons”. **

One of the Iranian-American demonstrators in Los Angeles, Ali Bozorgmehr, told the French news agency AFP that his community was being targeted unjustly.

Ramona Ripston, executive director of the Southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the arrests were reminiscent of the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

“I think it is shocking what is happening,” she said.

Islamic community leaders said many detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the US for up to a decade and had families there.

“Terrorists most likely wouldn’t come to the INS to register,” said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Muslims Arrested in LA

Land of Freedom my left foot :rotfl: :rotfl"

I would personally pay their air-fare if they promise to go back home.

You left out this part:

“The vast majority of people who are coming forward to register are currently in legal immigration status,” said local INS spokeswoman Virginia Kice. “The people we have taken into custody … are people whose non-immigrant visas have expired.”

Please name one country in the world who lets people overstay their visas?

AK47 Did you miss what OhioGuy pointed out, that those arrested had broken the law?

Land of freedom does not mean land of no laws. There are specific immigration laws. Overstaying on a visa is breaking an established law.

Personally I would like to see this expanded to citizens of all countries in US to control the illegal immigration.

Arresting ppl just because of their nationality is one thing, arresting them because they are illegal is another, targetting illegal residents from specific countries is yet another, and finding illegal ppl from specific countriues because citizens of that country were asked to register due to security reasons is another.

I am very opposed to just picking up ppl and locking them up without a basis, however there were grounds for the arrest of these ppl.

Sad is it may be, because if they are deported to Iran, I am not ceratin what their future will be like especially if they are seen as dissidents there.

utd: One has to remember that for many many countries Law is merely an abstract concept. What people hear is the law is not what they have to live under! They hear what the governement publishes in books, they law they live under is the law dispensed by the corrupt local police station. Imagine if the corrupt southern sherriff was the norm and had been for centuries. That is the concept of law ak47 has internalised.

Fraudia,

The vast majority will not be arrested more than overnight. They will get lawyers, show that applications have been filed, or get paperwork started to remain here. Let's face it, the US INS is innept. The shocking part is that there were 700 to 900 people without proper papers that we had not found and started deportation procedings. Hopefully next month the process goes better. For the most part the US likes Iranian students, as they see them as a force for democracy.

Ever overstay your visa in an EU country. You get a nice polite phone call to your hotel to remind you! THEY know where you are!

In my younger days I worked as a cook in Southern California to help pay for college. About once a month or so the INS would send buses out to all the restaurants and check for "green cards" for all the workers who looked to be of Latino heritage. Those who didn't have proper papers were put on a bus and deported back to Mexico. My guess is that this same activity is still going on to this day. We hear no great outrage about sending illegal aliens from Mexico or Central America back to their countries of origin.

I agree 100% with Fraudia that ALL illegal aliens should receive the same treatment. However, for years, the only group specifically targeted have been Latinos (primarily because they were viewed as the most problematic). After 9/11, a different group has been identified as problematic and has therefore been targeted as well.

The US needs to be able to control its borders and the INS needs to get its act together to do so.

mv

ai gree, and the reason i gave the 4 scenarios were so people dont mix the situations because they are very different situations.

as far as status goes, i always thought US had pretty ldecent laws on assylum for which many of these ppl could have been eleigible for.

"Those who didn't have proper papers were put on a bus and deported back to Mexico."

Most Mexicans are Catholic. Where was the outrage when "Mass arrests of Catholics!" occured. The mass arrests of people violating immigration laws DOES NOT translate to "Mass arrests of Muslims". The effort to convert a law enforcement action into a religiously motivated witch hunt is off target and inflamatory.

Below is the story of one lady from New Zeland. INS is trying to
enforce rules across the board. The problem is that for 50 years rules were not being enforced and that has become the norm in peoples minds.
Clearly this is not just against Muslims. However, there is no denying that the sympathy towards Al-Qaida and its aims run very high among Pakistanis and Saudis. It would be stupid of US to turn a blind eye towards that just because Pakistani Govt. has selected to help in somewhat ambiguous manner. Perhaps Pakistan can guarantee that if there is any participation of any Pakistani in terror activity on US soil, the Govt. of Pakistan will be responsible for all damages material and otherwise.
I hope the Saudis will settle the 1 trillion dollar suit against them honourably and not try to weasel out of taking responsibility for what their citizens did.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/12/19/state0312EST0009.DTL

Travel industry complains about security crackdown

IAN STEWART, Associated Press Writer Thursday, December 19, 2002


(12-19) 00:12 PST SAN FRANCISCO (AP) –

Travel executives say the nation’s $91 billion foreign tourism industry is in peril because of a growing perception overseas that the United States has become “Fortress America.”

In the year after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, 66 million fewer visitors tried to enter the United States, according to Immigration and Naturalization Service figures. And those who did try were sent back home at a higher rate than the year before.

Travel industry executives complain that the post-Sept. 11 security crackdown at airports – especially some widely publicized incidents in which visitors were searched, interrogated and put on a plane back home – has discouraged tourism.

“There is an impression being made that we are creating a Fortress America,” said Rick Webster, a spokesman for the Travel Industry Association of America.

INS officials recognize the concerns but say their first priority is to secure all borders.

“We’re not trying to discourage foreign tourists, but they need to make sure their documents are in good standing,” said INS spokesman Francisco Arcaute in Los Angeles. “After 9/11, we have to look into any possible visa problem.”

Travel to the United States was down 17 percent in the first six months of 2001, and more than 345,000 tourism-related jobs have been lost since the attacks, about a third of which served foreign tourists, according to the travel industry group.

INS figures show 700,807 people were denied entry between September 2000 and September 2001 at airports, borders and ports – one of every 714 trying to enter. During the 12 months after the attacks, 733,440 visitors, or one of every 625 people, were turned away.

The visitors include students, refugees and vacationers, many of whom spent considerable amounts of money to reach the United States.

“I’d like to think the increased security measures have been used wisely, but I think a lot of mistakes have been made and there has been a lot of overkill,” said Robert Logan, chief pilot at Air Grand Canyon of Tuscon, Ariz., which has reduced flights and is using fewer pilots.

At some airports, INS inspectors have become so strict about paperwork problems that they are turning away thousands more tourists.

**Many rejections are happening under the radar. Decisions by INS inspectors at airports are final, and tourists have no right to legal counsel once inside an airport’s immigration sector. Most rejected travelers are quickly sent home and not heard from again.

“You don’t have any rights once they’ve got their claws into you,” said New Zealander Maggie Anderson, whose treatment at the Los Angeles airport over the summer made front-page headlines in her home country.

Anderson, a 51-year-old former flight attendant and frequent U.S. visitor, was handcuffed and made to spread her legs for a rubber-glove search after an inspector noticed she once overstayed her visa by eight days four visits previously.

After 21 hours of questioning in an INS detention center, she was sent back to New Zealand, where she got her paperwork in order. A week later and another plane ticket poorer, she was able to reunite with her American husband in California.

“I’m not knocking what they are trying to do,” Anderson said. “But my fear is they’re wasting their time on the wrong people.”
**

Oh yeah, this news was on 24 hours yesterday.

Ohioguy & OldLahori: Good posts. :k:

Why are mexican deported from America that is there country The US stole california and texas and most of the Soutwest from the mexicans in the first place.

At the turn of the 20th century, whites, often backed by U.S. troops, forced Mexican landowners off millions of acres of valuable farm and ranch land along the new U.S.-Mexico border.

**In the 1930s, President Roosevelt ordered hundreds of thousands of Mexican immigrants, and even some Mexican Americans, shipped on freight trains to Mexico. I see even in 2002 things have’nt changed ** :nono:

Geez,

Even the Saudi’s aren’t objecting that much. The INS is an incompetent agency, but a country does have the right to determine who is legally in the country.

"However, it is important to inject a little perspective into what has happened. There certainly is a wave of anti-Middle East and anti-Muslim sentiment in America. But to put down every action that causes trouble to them to ethnic hate is to refuse to see the reality. Such refusal would mean a refusal to look at the reasons that contributed to the present situation.

The majority of those detained by the INS are suspected of being in violation of visa rules. California is packed with people from all over the world and of every religion, who have overstayed tourist visas and are working illegally. It is the misfortune of citizens from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria that they are from the first Muslim states to be required to register.

If, upon showing up at an INS office, a Muslim visitor is found to be in violation of his visa, then what are the authorities supposed to do? All states have immigration rules. Those who choose to disobey them must anticipate that if they are caught, they can expect punishment. Many of those who checked in with the INS last week knew they were illegals but probably hoped that there would be some provision, some official bending of the rules that would allow them to stay. As it turned out, there was no such thing. "

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=21301

They are illegal immigrants, so what's the big deal? Which country do you know of that welcomes illegals with open arms?

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They are illegal immigrants, so what's the big deal? Which country do you know of that welcomes illegals with open arms?
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Explain that to the gentleman who created this thread...

:hehe:

Like is said in 1st place

Land of the Free my left foot :bukbuk:

Where's the discrepency? US is Land of the Free for its citizens, not illegal immigrants (or their left feet)

Exactly! What is up with this fellow? :confused: