Masjids that preach terrorism

[khanbabax]

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Good article by Hamid Mir.

A young student of secular school (Bacon House) of Islambad went to Maulana Abdul Aziz and complained about Chinese Massage Center, where Chinese ladies would body give massage to baighairat men. She emailed Hamid Mir and she said I feel like it was my fault. I should not have complained, because of my complain they took that action. She said police didnt listen to us so we went to Maulana. She said I wish I was with the talibaat who died in the operation.

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[khanbabax]

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Khanbabax, lets keep it civil. The islam you are trying to represent does not teach the kind of aggression you just displayed. I noticed your hostility to other posters and did not engage in a debate with you directly.

PLease tell that to your hero Busharraf whose hands are filled with the blood of 1000+ innocent people.

Also tell this to people who are spreading lies without any proofs.

[hinalateef]

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, the gun in his hands is a necessity to stop lunatics burning workers and customers alive as it happened in Karachi couple of years ago , where they set KFC in Gulshan Iqbal on fire and many poor innocent people were burnt alive to death .

I remember hearing something on the same lines. Why do people project their violence against these fast food places, Don't they know that though they may bear names of American companies, these joints are owned and operated by their fellow country men and the people working there is an average Joe trying to earn a living.
Sometimes on the similar lines that disturbed me immensely: On ARY they reported that in ButGram (sp?) and Manshara the general public started looting and setting fire to the offices of all the foreign aid workers who were helping with earthquake relief work. I ask you, what is a logic in this behavior?You are essentially maiming the hands who are lifting you up from the rubble.
I know literacy rate in our country is low but this is beyond being Jahil, this is utter barbarism and mind bogging stupidity.

[ashtray]

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PLease tell that to your hero Busharraf whose hands are filled with the blood of 1000+ innocent people.

Also tell this to people who are spreading lies without any proofs.

What has this got to do with your display of hostility towards me?

[khanbabax]

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What has this got to do with your display of hostility towards me?

Well I can ask you, why did you pick me all of these other people who are using abusive language against the scholars and swearing at them. Maybe you hold same views as them thats why you are quiet?

On the other hand I have not used any abusive language against anyone.

[ashtray]

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I am questioning you for your behaviour against me. As far as the hostilty of the government/ operation silence supporters is concerned, I did post my views in the lal, masjid thread on the second or third day of the operation.

You claim to be representing Islam here, and generally consider the other side un-islamic or against Islam. How is your response to my post in particular and hostility towards everyone else, in general, a representation of Islam?

[khanbabax]

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I was just pointing out your double standards.
Thats all.
Nor have I showed hostality towards anyone, but its the other way around.
Now stick to the topic, or make a new thread if you want to discuss me?

[Mr_Fraudia]

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The day McDonalds employees start marching out of their respective establishments and start shutting down other eateries by force, I"ll be the first in line to advocate a Govt. operation against McDonalds and getting their Manager and employees arrested. If during the attempt to arrest them, they refuse to come out, or try to use their Ak47 that they had for their defense, it will be considered an attack on the state and should be dealt as such.

dont underestimate mickey d's, ronald packs a mean punch, hamburgular and grimace will kick any militant mullahs ass anyday.

[Croquet]

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I remember hearing something on the same lines. Why do people project their violence against these fast food places, Don't they know that though they may bear names of American companies, these joints are owned and operated by their fellow country men and the people working there is an average Joe trying to earn a living. Sometimes on the similar lines that disturbed me immensely: On ARY they reported that in ButGram (sp?) and Manshara the general public started looting and setting fire to the offices of all the foreign aid workers who were helping with earthquake relief work. I ask you, what is a logic in this behavior?You are essentially maiming the hands who are lifting you up from the rubble. I know literacy rate in our country is low but this is beyond being Jahil, this is utter barbarism and mind bogging stupidity.

yep its beyond jahalat. i remember that when the disrespectful cartoon came about the wild jaloos on mall road in lahore burnt mac donalds and others shops around it. attempted lootinga bank, a boy died when guards opened fire and the parents of the boy claimed he was a shaheed. its stupid, senseless and useless. but people just dont understand. i myself grew tried of telling them that you are burning tyres, breaking cars of people that have nothing to do with the production of cartoons lakin niqar khanay main tooti ki kaun sunta hai. makes me wonder.

[DanishJu]

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@DanishJu

Salam

A TV report played a clip in which baqiyat-e-Lal Masjid’ were displayed. There was a pile of video CD’s on top of which was one titled ‘shaheed Azam Tariq’. This guy Azam Tariq was great great follower of Haq Nawaz Jhangwi. And Jhangwi was the man whose recorded speeches are available in which he repeatedly said that ‘if I were at the occasion of Karbala, I would be the first to blow the arrow on Hussain’. The only mission of these jehadies is to crash the followers of Ahl-Al-Bait Alehimus salam. Basically these are the continuation of ‘Shajra-e-maloona fil Quraan’ and nothing else See http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=247831. And all these masajid can simply be termed as per Quraan as “masjid-e-zarar”.

Iltemase Dua

In fact they are all proud “Sufyanies” and they all own it. All the Sipahe sahaba members use to write with their names the word ‘Moawia’ as suffix and among them a force is specially named “Moawia force”. They proudly name their child as Sufyan, Moawia and even Yazeed. This is the time of their gathering from around the world and it has already been prophesized by Holy Prophet, Sawaw in saheeh ahadees.

[ahmadjee]

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The very fact that bullet spraying in mosques, where innocent namazis are targeted at dawn or dusk by unidentified assailants who vanish on motorbikes through crowded streets is proof enough that hatred is preached in mosques. I believe intolerance is preached very regularly, violence or hatred on an occasional basis.

The fact that people inside the lal masjid were able to kill a dozen trained well equipped army soldiers shows that guns in that mosque were easy to come by.

[PyariCgudia]

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I disagree that we should not mention Lal Masjid. Lal Masjid is a reminder to us that we've forgotten our religion and we've stopped being involved in our mosques to keep a check on those with violent desires to exploit the public. I bet these maulvis who give the brimstone fire sermons and try to incite hatred against white people (notice how they never talk about the Kuffar Africans who worship statutes and animals - its always gotta be some white country they're after) are getting paid a handsome sum for recruiting young guys to fight in Afghanistan and blow themselves up in suicide bombings in Pakistan, etc.

Evidence for that is in this thread - only a handful were able to talk about sermons they've heard of INSIDE Pakistan.

[system]

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@tariqlkhan

The actual question is about preaching terrorism. You are talking about Jihad. I am sure that even you know the difference

Whats the difference... They use Jihad to justify the murder of innocent people.. You tell me thats not terrorism?

[hareem01]

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Whats the difference... They use Jihad to justify the murder of innocent people.. You tell me thats not terrorism?

Who justified the murder of innocent people? Are you talking about Musharraf?

[PyariCgudia]

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^Um, no, terrorists. I mean, its innocent people getting killed in these suicide bombings in Pakistan, right? Or is that what you guys think Jihad is - the killing of innocent bystanders?

[Das_Reich]

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^Um, no, terrorists. I mean, its innocent people getting killed in these suicide bombings in Pakistan, right? Or is that what you guys think Jihad is - the killing of innocent bystanders?

true its not ...but at the sametime it is a struggle against an secular oppressive regime ...so that govt. must take steps to atleast try to enforce shariah the best way it can ...this way it can justifiably called these elements as khawarij who have exited the faith .....
I am tempted to use this label on these people too but the I think that its unfair to them, the original khawarij were unjustified in revolting in the time of Ali b abitalib [as] who was most knowledgable in faith ,most strict in implementation of shariah and harshest in criticizing the offenders.He also had men like ibn abbas[ra] and abu ayyub ansari [ra] of impeccable credentials around him....these modern day khawarij-esque elements have no such role model of govt. to look upto so in a way their uprisings seem understandable if not justified...

[PyariCgudia]

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true its not ...but at the sametime it is a struggle against an secular oppressive regime ...so that govt. must take steps to atleast try to enforce shariah the best way it can ...this way it can justifiably called these elements as khawarij who have exited the faith ..... I am tempted to use this label on thse people too but the I think that its unfair to them the original khawarij were unjustified in revolting in the time of Ali b abitalib who was most knowledgable in faith ,most strict in implementation of shariah and harshest in criticizing the offenders.He also had helpers like ibn abbas and abu ayyub ansari ....these modern day khawarij-esque elements have no such role model to look upto

What secular oppressive regime????!!!????

This started because these guys wanted some ALLEGED whorehouses shut down, correct? Why didn't they get the media on the phone, expose the involvement of the police and government in these matters, and negotiate with Aunty Shamim to publish the names of those who have been receiving services in the whorehouses??

There are SO MANY other ways to have handled the situation, and what do these goons do? They kidnap the females ALLEGEDLY involved, and proceed to have muslim women of Jami Hafsa beat the crap out of two police officers who tried to intervene.

If you think that is ANYWHERE near Islam, then I'm afraid I don't believe in the same religion YOU believe in.

And what Shariah are we talking about?? The people who are hammering for Shariah in Pakistan are the same people who did not want the Hudood Laws to be mended. Those laws punished rape victims for being victimized, and there is NO requirement in Islam for a rape victim to call in 4 witnesses for her case to be heard! Yet, its laws like these that are not Islamic at all, that many maulvi parties in Pakistan FOUGHT to keep.

So, is this the shariah you want?

I think EVERYONE in Pakistan, with the exception of minorities, would want the laws to be more Islamic. Everyone at least, wants corruption to be erased, education to be made available to everyone, everyone to get some economic opportunity to sustain themselves. These things don't happen with a week's worth of fighting from inside a mosque!

[Das_Reich]

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that was only the spark that set the flame ....and i dont justify their gundagardi ,but you cannot say that problems of prostitution etc do not exist and are not tolerated by authorities in pakistan whether true or not in this case]

[Das_Reich]

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If you think that is ANYWHERE near Islam, then I'm afraid I don't believe in the same religion YOU believe in.

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enforcing public morality is also a part of islam whether u like it or not
u are a sunni muslim if i am not mistaken ....I hope u have heard of the durra [whip] of umar b khattab[ra] ...he used it very liberally to keep the people in their place..will u call him a extremist?

[Das_Reich]

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problem is u think everyone who is calling for enforcement of shariah is a westhating , misogynistic [sp?] sabrerattling "mullah type" of a person .....with that kind of approach u will only solidify the opposition to any reforms within the system introduced by zia ul haq [which was far from perfect but was atleast a start ]