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Some people say that Mari / Bugti are actually Pashtun Tribes.
haha :D no they are pure baloch but yes they do intermarry with pashtuns
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But durrani empire predates the Sikhs. There were no anglo-durrani wars in the indian subcontinent per my knowledge unlike the anglo-sikh wars.
So basically the baloch of balochistan proper? There are sindhis that claim balochi ancestry as well as seraikis in D I khan era, where balochis probably moved due to better lifestyle and events like nadir shah's invasion that took a beating on the baloch.
baloch moved to punjab and sindh during the 15 century thanks to mir chakar rind and mughal emperor humayun they encouraged baloch giving them lands not during the rule of nadir shah Sindhi Baloch**
Sindhi-Baloch (Sindhi: ٻروچ, Urdu: سندھی بلوچ) are Baloch tribes living in Sindh province of Pakistan. The term Sindhi Baloch refers to the Baloch people that migrated from Balochistan to Sindh and have assimilated with Sindhis. These tribes came originally from Iran, and settled in Sindh from the 15th century onwards. The Baloch of Sindh use Sindhi language as their mother tongue. It is estimated about 35 to 40% of Pakistani Sindhis are of Baloch origin.
Major tribes
Ahmedani
Almani
Bijarani
Buledi
Bulfati
Chandio
Domki
Gabol
Jamot
Janwari
Jakhrani
Jagirani
Jiskani
Jamali
Jarwar
Jatoi
Khoso
Kalpar
Kalmati
Lashari
Leghari
Lund
Magsi
Marri
Mazari
Mirani
Mugheri
Nizamani
Nutkani
Rind
Talpur
Umrani
Zardari
Zaur tribe
Baloch of Punjab pakistan Total population is 2,414,000
A significant number of Baloch tribes have over time settled in the Punjab province of Pakistan. These Baloch are often referred to as the Punjabi Baloch
Sahiwal District of punjab pakistan were given to Mir Chakar Rind Baloch in jagir by Mughal Emperor Humayun for helping him to overthrow the suri dynasty in the 15th century
Present circumstances
The Baloch of the Punjab plains are now altogether separated from the Baloch tribes of Balochistan and the Derajat, although the same tribal names are still found among them. Long residence in Punjab and inter-marriage with the Jats has deprived them of many of their characteristics, and they have now forgotten the Baloch language and have abandoned the Baloch dress. They now speak Seraiki in the south of Punjab, while those in the districts of Faisalabad, Sahiwal, Jhang, Sargodha and Khushab speak Punjabi.
They are good Muslims, fair agriculturists. In character they are brave, chivalrous, and honourable. In physique they are tall, thin, wiry, hardy, and frugal in their habits
Distribution and main clans
The Baloch are found mainly in the districts of Multan, Lodhran Muzaffargarh, Dera Ghazi Khan districts in sothern Punjab and Jhang, Sargodha, Khushab and Sahiwal bhakar rahim yar khan bahawalpore rajan pore and thonsa
The following clans are those most commonly found of the Punjab : —
Kulachi, Ahmadani, Chandio Korai, Jatoi,Gopang, Mashori, Rind,khosa 'sanjrani' lund' jamali' marri' lashari' dodai' meerani' Khushk, Gurmani, Dashti, Jatoi, Gishkauri, Mazari, Hot, Pitafi and Zangeza, Jalbani, Gurchani Jhar.lalwani.nutkani
The Rind, Jatoi and Korai are numerous in Multan, Jhang, Sahiwal, Sargodha, Rahimyar Khan and Muzaffargarh districts. While the Gopangs and Dashtis, both are found in the Muzaffargarh district. The Hot are found in Jhang, Multan and Muzaffargarh, and the Gurmanis, Khushik, Giskhauris, Pitafis in Muzaffargarh and Rahimyar Khan. While the Mazaris in Jhang,Jaccobabad,Rajanpur,Kashmore and Rahimyar khan. The Magassi Baloch, who are found in Multan, Muzaffargarh, Mianwali and Jhang, appear to be a "peculiar people" rather than a tribe.Jalbani tribe is concentrated in D.G.Khan and Rajanpur districts in the Punjab.
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***BALOCH OF ******Multan ******* Muzaffargarh**
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****Malik Sohrab Dodai Baloch
Malik Sohrab Dodai was a Baloch mercenary who moved to Multan (Punjab) in the late 15th century at the behest of the Langah dynasty of Rajputs. He was accompanied by his sons, Ghazi Khan, Fatih Khan, and Ismail Khan.
Dodai was followed by fellow Baloch mercenaries . Shah Hussain encouraged them by offering them lands extending from Kor Karor to Dhankot (present-day Muzaffargarh).
Ghazi Khan Baloch
Ghazi Khan Dodai (Balochi, غازی خان دودائي) was the son of Malik Sohrab Dodai, a Baloch mercenary who moved to Multan (Punjab) in the late 15th century at the behest of the Langah dynasty of Rajputs. He was accompanied by his sons, Ghazi Khan, Fatih Khan and Ismail Khan.
The Derajat had its existence as an historical area to the Baloch immigration in the fifteenth century. Sultan Husain, the Langah Dynasty's Sultans of Multan, being unable to hold his trans-Indus possessions, called in Baloch mercenaries for help, and assigned these territories to Malik Sohrab Dodai in jagir. Malik's sons, Ghazi Khan, Ismail khan and Fateh khan ********** founded the three Deras Dera Ghazi Khan and Dera Ismail Khan named after them****
Baloch Of India
Baluch (Uttar Pradesh)
Three Baloch adventurers Ismail Khan, Fatteh Khan, and Ghazi Khan, founded the three Dehras that bear their names, and established themselves as independent rulers of the Lower Derajat and Muzaffargarh, which they and their descendants held for nearly 300 years. The three brothers founded the settlements of Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismail Khan and Darya Khan. Thence the southern Balochis gradually spread into the valleys of the Indus, Chenab, and Sutlej, and in 1555 a large body of Balochis, under their great leader Mir Chakar, accompanied the Emperor Humayun into India. It is because many of the Baloch settlements, in the Eastern districts of the Punjab, were founded by Humayun's baloch soldiers A small number of Baloch began to immigrated from Multan and Sindh into Gujarat India from at least the 14th century.
Baloch of the Doab Uttar Pradesh India
Now the most important Baloch colonies in Uttar Pradesh are those of Amirnagar, Garhi Abdullah Khan, Garhi Pukhta, Jasoi and Baghra in Muzaffarnagar District. They settled in the district during the rule of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, and rose to prominence as the Mughal Empire disintegrated. Another two prominent Baloch families were those of Tajpuri and Jhajhar, in Bulandshahr District. The Tajpuri Baloch are descended from Nahar Khan, who is said to have from Seistan during the rule of Alauddin Khilji. Nahar Khan was latter appointed governor of Deccan, and his son Sardar Khan founded a settlement in Ganaura Shaikh, and the family rose to some prominence during the rule of the Aurangzeb. While the Jhajhar family claim descent from Syed Mohammad Khan, a Leghari Baluch, who was granted a jagir by the Mughal Emperor Humayun. They played a key role in the post-Mughal history of the Doab region,
Tufail Ahmed Khan Baloch (Tajpuri) was the first who migrated from India to Pakistan and help many others immigrants from India to settle in Pakistan. Presently many Tajpuri Baloch are settled in Karachi, Hyderabad, Lahore and different parts of Pakistan.
The Baloch of Haryana India all emigrated to Pakistan at the time of partition. The Baloch now speak Urdu and the Khari Boli dialect, and are found in the Doab region of Uttar Pradesh.
Baloch of Rohilkhand region of northwestern Uttar Pradesh state of India
The Baluch of Rohilkhand accompanied Hafiz Rahmat Khan Barech a Rohilla conqueror. They have now been assimilated into the Rohilla community, and lost their distinct Baloch identity. The Rohilkhand Baloch belong mainly to the Magsi, Leghari and Mazari tribes. These Baloch are found mainly in the districts of Badaun, Bijnor, Shahjahanpur and Moradabad.
BALOCH OF ***Lucknow*
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There is also a single settlement of Baloch in Lucknow District, at Baluchgarhi. These Baloch are descendants of mercenaries brought by the Nawabs of Awadh
Present circumstances
The Baloch of North India are now altogether separated from the Baloch tribes of Balochistan and tribal divisions are no longer important. They are found in the districts of Meerut, Muzaffarnagar, Bulandshar and Aligarh. Their customs are similar to those of the neighbouring Muslim communities such as the Jhojha and Ranghar. The Baluch reside in mixed caste villages, occupying their own quarters, and are largely small and medium sized farmers, with a small number being landless agricultural labourers. Their most important settlements are in several villages in and around the town of Baghra in Muzaffarnagar District. A second cluster of Baloch villages exist in Bulandshahr District, where there are several villages near the towns of Jhajhar and Chanderu. In addition, the town of Faridnagar in Ghaziabad District is home to an important colony of Baloch. They are strictly endogamous, marrying within close kin, and like other North Indian Muslim communities. The Baluch practice both cross cousin and parallel cousin marriages. They speak both Urdu and Khari Boli, the local dialect in the Doab region of Uttar Pradesh.
The Baluch are almost entirely Sunni Muslims, and like other Doab Muslim communities have been influenced by the Deobandi reformist movement. They have no formal caste association, although most villages with Baloch do have traditional caste associations, known as panchayats. These panchayats exercise social control, and are deal with intra community disputes
Baloch (Gujarat) India
Baluch tribesmen who settled in this region of Gujarat in the late Middle Ages. The community use the surname Khan. In Gujarat, the term Baloch is restricted to the Sulaymani Baloch, while Makrani Baloch now form a distinct community
A small number of Baloch began to immigrated from Multan and Sindh into Gujarat from the at least the 14th century.
The earliest Baloch settlers of Gujarat came with Fateh Khan Baloch, who was given the jagir of Radhanpur and Sami by Sultan Ahmad Shah II of Gujarat. Another Fateh Khan baloch was given the jagir of Khadia in Junagadh by the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. In the 18th century, the Gohil Rajput rulers of Bhavnagar invited a number of Baloch to serve as their bodyguards. They were granted the jagir in Sehor.
Present circumstances
The Baloch are distributed in Rajkot, Junagadh, Khadia, Keshod, Veraval, Mangrol, and Bhavnagar. Important Baloch villages include Budhana & pingali in Bhavnagar District, Kundhada village in Junagadh District and Baspa and Kerwada in Radhanpur. They tend to live in their own villages, or have distinct quarters in the towns they reside in. The community is split inti six clans, or ataks as they are known in Gujarati. Their main clans are the Gabol, Lashari, Birri, Gopang, Sukhe, Hooth and Korai. A small number of Baloch have immigrated to Pakistan, and are now found in Karachi. The community speak standard Gujarati, while those in Kutch speak Sindhi. Most Baloch also have knowledge of Urdu.[5]
The Baloch are strictly endogamous, although there are some cases of inter-marriage with the Pathans and Muslim Rajput communities such as the Malik, Miyana and Molesalam. They prefer marrying close kins, and practice both parallel cousin and cross counsin marriages.
The Baloch are now mainly marginal farmers, with many also employed as agricultural labourers. Land reform has led to the breakup of the larger jagirs, and many jagirdars have emigrated to cities like Ahmadabad and Mumbai. Their villages now have electricity, and many now use electric pumps. Many Baloch are also employed as truck drivers, with a small number owning their trucks. Their general economic circumstances are poor. Like other Gujarati Muslims, they have a caste association, the Baloch Jamat. This acts as a welfare association, as well as an instrument of social control. Most Baluch are Sunni,**
Balochs in Oman**
Baluch comprise approximately 22% of the omans population. The traditional economy of Baluch in Oman is based on a combination of trade, farming Balochi is the second largest spoken language in Oman**
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^ Interesting statement that Sahiwal was given to Chakar e Azam as jageer. That might be the reason why he moved to the area in the end.
Its true that most of the Baloch residing in Punjab have left Balochi language.
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انگریزوں کا اÙغانستان | Dawn Urdu](http://urdu.dawn.com/2013/11/20/when-afghanistan-was-game-for-british-aamir-riaz-aq/)
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lols.. Baaj-oR’s Baaj= Khiraaj (Tax)
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what? 
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کابل مغلوں کا اک صوبہ رہا اور کنڑ،** باجوڑ** اور خیبر کے خان، مہاراجہ رنجیت سنگھ](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjit_Singh) کے “لہور دربار” سے نا صرف تعلقات رکھتے تھے بلکہ مراعات بھی لیتے رہے اور** باج** (ٹیکس) بھی دیتے رہے، یہ کہانی قیام پاکستان سے محض 107 سال پرانی ہی ہے۔ اس سے بھی پہلے سکندر اعظم](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Fall_of_the_Empire_and_the_East) اور نادر شاہ](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_Shah) سرزمین افغانستان کو جی بھر کے روند چکے تھے جو سب تاریخ کا حصّہ ہے.
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I beleive this was part of British World War II propoganda, after dunkirk and defeat in Africa,they needed something equal in terms of German Wehrmacht, and Gurkhas came in handy. Though Germans regarded 4th Indians and 2nd NewZealenders as toughest opponents 
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Assalam-O-Alaikum
Can anyone tell me that do Chughtais belong to Mughals or Pathans ?
What is the Origin of Chughtais ?
What are the Physical Appearance of Chughtais ?
Actually there is my Chughtai friend. In there family some people say that " Chughtais are Pathans ", some say that " Chughtais are Mughals ", some say that " Chughtais are only Khans " and some say that " Chughtais are Mughal- Pathans or Pathan-Mughals".
In their family mostly people use "Chughtai" as a surname, but some also use "Khan" and "Khan Chughtai" as a surname.
No one uses Mirza or Baig as a Surname.
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