Martial law has been declared in Egypt

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**Martial law has been declared in Egypt … Prime Minister sent to jail … Top leaders got arrested … but … Constitution suspended … !!!

**What happened to Ganja Thug in Pakistan? Why he started visiting toilet every 5 minutes with symptoms of Diarrhea?

And how about some idiots started giving impression on media that days of martial law is over, and that nowhere in the world it is possible that martial law could come, so what happened to their theory of world-situation?

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Do you feel difference between Pakistan and Egypt? Military should not have taken over Egypt, it will have drastic repercussions on that country. As regard Pakistan, if adventurers again will do the same mistake, kiss goodbye Pakistan. Get this in to your brain whose time needle is stuck in the 60's.

Ganja has not come through back door, like your corrupt gods of military, he has been elected by people of Pakistan and deserve full right to rule the country for next five years.

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^ he has been elected by ppl of Pakistan plz dos check dhandli.com, and whatever military is not as corrupt as our politicans, swiss bank k 60 millions :yawn:, last year koi hajj scandal case bhi tha :hmmm:

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**Book shines light on Pakistan military’s ‘£10bn empire’
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· Business interests range from cement to cornflakes
· Little transparency into officer-led conglomerates

    Declan Walsh in Islamabad
The Guardian, Wednesday 30 May 2007

**The Pakistani military’s private business empire could be worth as much as £10bn, according to a ground-breaking study. Retired and serving officers run secretive industrial conglomerates, manufacture everything from cement to cornflakes, and own 12m acres [4.8m hectares] of public land, says Dr Ayesha Siddiqa, author of Military Inc: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy.

The book tackles a previously taboo subject - the range and depth of the military’s business interests - considered a major factor in the ambitions of the generals who have ruled Pakistan for more than half of its 60-year history. “It feeds directly into the military’s political power; it’s an expression of their personal and organisation strength,” said Ms Siddiqa, a former director of research at the Pakistan navy.

Five giant conglomerates, known as “welfare foundations”, run thousands of businesses, ranging from street corner petrol pumps to sprawling industrial plants. The main street of any Pakistani town bears testament to their economic power, with military-owned bakeries, banks, insurance companies and universities, usually fronted by civilian employees. Ms Siddiqa estimates that the military controls one-third of all heavy manufacturing and up to 7% of private assets.

Profits are supposed to be pumped back into schools, hospitals and other welfare facilities - the military claims it has 9 million beneficiaries - but there is little transparency. “There is little evidence that pensioners are benefiting from these welfare facilities,” she said.

Of the 96 businesses run by the four largest foundations, only nine file public accounts. The generals spurn demands by parliament to account for public monies they spend.

The military’s penetration into society has accelerated under President Pervez Musharraf, who has also parachuted 1,200 officers into key positions in public organisations such as universities and training colleges. The military boasts that it can run such organisations better than incompetent and corrupt civilians.

In a 2004 speech to open a new industry owned by the Fauji (“Soldier”) Foundation, General Musharraf boasted of “exceptional” military-owned banks, cement and fertiliser plants. “Why is anyone jealous if the retired military officers or the civilians with them are doing a good job contributing to the economy?” he said.

But Ms Siddiqa says the military businesses thrive, thanks to invisible state subsidies in the form of free land, the use of military assets, and loans to bail them out when they run into trouble. “There are gross inefficiencies and the military is mired in crony capitalism. The primary purpose of a trained military is war fighting. They are not designed for the corporate sector.”

Her £10bn estimate of military wealth is a “rough figure”, she says, split between £6bn in land and private military assets.

“Military Inc.” comes at a sensitive time for Gen Musharraf, who is struggling to rebuild his popularity after the botched dismissal of the chief justice, Muhammad Iftikhar Chaudhry, in March. The move sparked nationwide demonstrations that have snowballed into a powerful protest movement. The furore has offered an insight into the raw power wielded by the generals. This week, Justice Chaudhry told the supreme court how military intelligence chiefs spent hours trying to pressure him to quit on March 9, before placing him under effective house arrest.

Ms Siddiqa fears her book, which names names and pours cold water on boastful claims, may step on some powerful toes. “Over the past three years a lot of my friends have advised me not to publish this book. They think I have suicidal tendencies.”

But Talat Hussain, a retired general and political analyst, said Ms Siddiqa was a “courageous” researcher. “This area has always been considered a sacred cow in our society,” he said.

The book will be launched in Islamabad today. The main military spokesman, Major General Waheed Arshad, said he had not yet obtained a copy. “Let me read it and then I’ll get back to you,” he said.

Backstory

The 650,000-strong military has been at the heart of power since Pakistan was carved from northern India in 1947. Generals seized power in 1958 and have ruled intermittently since. The main intelligence service, the ISI, has consistently meddled in politics. Three-quarters of all army recruits come from Punjab, reflecting a similar imbalance in the country’s power structures. The army’s reputation for professionalism stretches back to colonial days, but has been eroded by business-related corruption allegations and three wars with India, including the loss of its eastern half, with the independence of Bangladesh in 1971**

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corrupt army is excuse of Petal Party’s corruption:clap:

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If OP has a point showing this thread belongs in PA, then better make it quick. Otherwise it will be moved to WA.

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^^^ yes sir ... I have a point that this thread should be in PA, not world affairs.

Point is about Martial law and Pakistan ... as these two words ... 'Martial law' and 'Pakistan' have love affair with each other, rather they are married to each other. So, if Martial law comes in any country, especially in Muslim country, it is Pakistan affair too.

I believe and Egypt martial law shows that there is no such thing that martial law could not come anywhere anymore (including Pakistan) because world situation has changed. If rulers would take path of confrontation and make life of people difficult then martial law could come and no constitution can stop that. Same applies to Pakistan, as Pakistan is waiting on verge of martial law, that could come anytime, if not today then tomorrow.

To stop martial law, political rulers have to create trust and respect for themselves, that they can only do if they rule without corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct, and certainly without confrontation. And that is what politicians have to understand, especially politicians of Pakistan, as martial law in Egypt is lesson for them too.

To say that ... Army is chokidar (as what even today one media person was saying on TV), than that is wrong concept. No one is King of Pakistan, nor Pakistan belong to anyone's daddy, neither anyone got Pakistan in their Jahez or bought Pakistan. If anyone is in government service (be they bureaucracy, army, judiciary, police, parliamentarians, or politicians as executive), their duty is to serve Pakistan, not that one institution serving other, especially serving politicians as their servant (the way Pakistani thugs in politics think, that government servants, army as well as public are their to serve them as servant).

It is duty of army to safeguard country's security from outside forces, but then, it is also duty of army to safeguard country's security as well as country's future from inside forces (and that includes safeguarding Pakistan from misdeeds of politicians in power ... especially if politicians in power are guilty of corrupt, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct, power misuse, etc ... and use state power to harm country for personal gains, etc, etc, etc).

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Army is corrupt or not, army is still one of the most organised forces in the country with enough brute force to topple any government. Words and warnings cannot stop such force from toppling the political rule (anywhere in the world). Only thing that could stop such force from toppling the political rule in any country is deed of rulers (as happens all over the world).

Deed means, creating force within the country (civil intelligence, police force and judiciary) that could punish political rulers if they break laws or do anything wrong. Plus, political rulers as mass entity should try to work without corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct that their respect develops amongst people as well as armed forces.

It is that respect of political rulers plus realisation that there are civil authorities who are honest and would take political rulers to task if they do wrong, then only brute force of armed forces would stop acting and toppling political rulers.

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ahhh...another so called chapter of islamic romanticism came to an end!! lol

watch now...all "muslims bros and sisters" will come up with gazallion reasons and countless conspiracy theories .... and then they will wait for next "islamic govt" to emerge somewhere

keep on waiting guys!

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and are you not a lover of democracy? when it suits your agenda you support it, when it doesn't you call it islamic. hypocrisy.

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there you go.......blah blah!

What is happening in Egypt is the fall of 'political Islam'....Whoever uses religion 4 political aims will fall and fail sooner than later...

I support democracy 200% but not political islam or religious democracy because that is dictatorship as well

Religion or religious identity has no role to play in running a govt or forming constitution

it is proved again...alhamdo lillah!

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bottom line...Egyptian military needs to prove that there is a very quick path getting back on track democratically ....if they do it, they will have support of Egyptian people and international community otherwise it will be tough for them...

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using Allah's name to go against his commands. shabash.

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oh sorry..i forgot…islam kay thekedar to aap hain…

how cud i thank Allah…my bad!

and looks like it is Allah’s order to make promises to its public and then break it…didnt Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood promise that it would neither run for the presidency nor seek a parliamentary majority? ended up betraying on both promises

and looks like it is Allah’s command to draft a constitution that was suppressing individual rights and allowed discrimination and even violence against the Coptic Christian minority in Egypt.

and i am sure it is also allah’s order to shut down its opposition, banning members of Mubarak’s old party from all political offices in Egypt for life.

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if you really want to know allah's commands, think of Prophet Mohammad PBUH behavior after he conquered Mecca.....complete protection to all non muslims and no enforcement to change religion what so ever...to the extent that if you end up in his enemy abu sufyan home you are completely safe! this is what we call pure secular govt ...... no color, no one religion, no one sect, no one group

in recent times...think of mandela who gave full protection and support to whites and did not succumb to black people pressure....when he took control of the country, he did everything in his power to accommodate and reassure the Afrikaners that they had an important place in the new South Africa...because the ruling govt has no color, no religion...

you think muslim brotherhood acted the same secular way? and you are giving me lectures on islam?

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Why is this in the Pakistan affairs?

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Peace pheonixdesi

There is no democracy in this world today. And the earliest of times of Muslim government was in the hands of the religious leadership. The places where democracy is happening ironically are these religious Muslim countries the democracy fails - with military coups.

Democracy is very unstable ... The reason why it seems to work in the West is because in reality it is all a show. Designed to pacify and appease people while corporate chiefs continue to influence policy and legislation - No body votes out the corporations. Leadership within them might change, but their focus remains the same.

I believe the Muslims are the most diverse people and to have democracy in diverse places is a cause for protest ... I hate to say this but it appears Muslims being more aware are required to be controlled under dictatorships or monarchies ... that is what is more stable for us and that is what is more stable for the rest of the world - autocracies operating the puppet show of democracy are advanced and mature systems that we currently have not developed enough to put in place.

I contest that you can actually be 200% pro-democracy - if you study the world today you will find that it does not exist.

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So, in essence, you were ok with Mubarak or qadhafi?

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muslim societies are more diverse than india? news to me...if anything muslim societies are not diverse at all!

and we are more aware?

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NOP....that is dictatorship
and i dont support this coup either
plz dont confuse issues.

i was just reflecting on morsi and muslim brotherhood's modus ope*****....using religion as a tool.