Hi, hello, salams n stuff,
The question is
Why do you need to get married?
and
Why cant you live a life with some girl or guy without the marriage thingi in between?
{ SORRY and May GOD HELP YOU!! for all the married people! }
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............
Interesting....very very Interesting :)
well brother and sisters in Islam,you know it very well that it is haram in islam religion,without marriage you will live with someone,have kids,they all be najaiz child,known to be _______ BACHA....you know what,so I believe this answers your question..BUT for argument sake if anyone says..no to what i am trying to explain...he or she is not a true muslim....
allah hafiz
dil...dilseeee
dil...dilseeee
Mr or Miss PeerSIMMS: your post is Disgusting, very very disgusting and idiotic.
that is the best answer I have in my pockets for people like you
Dilse - You know, nothing personal, but I would really like to think that religion has nothing to do with (at least) marriage.
And as far as the term 'true muslim' is concerned, it is pretty much vague and unclear anyway.
The basic concept of marriage is to form a 'social contract' among two people, and this entails familial responsibilties and all the crap that comes with it. Two people can still abide by familial responsibilities without signing that 'Nikahnama', if they choose to. So let's not be judgemental on how much 'true muslims' people are. Because religion is their personal matter as much as it is yours. Their life, their descision, their crap :) :)
salams n stuff,
first of all its Mr SIMMS to you!
second of all my peer sahib once said.
Zindagi kiya hey kitaboon ko hata ker deikho
this is a question of wot would u prefer. folowing someone that islam or any other religion says is ' blind faith"
wot is Jaiz and wots najaiz who makes the call for it ?
and for mahnoor: I know i bring upinteresting topics. Topics that make u say Hmmmmmmmm :)
w-salams n stuff,
Jai Peeri
Yup..very interesting :)Im gonna keep out of this one for a while..lets see what the others have to say :))
Believe In Angels.
Laterz,
ManiaX.
I agree with Roman.
Marriage in almost all cases is a social contract. It is just to make things easier, to file combined tax returns, to get health coverage of one's kids and spouse. The actual contract of living together is bound with a lot "stronger" bond than a piece of paper or a few words in front of a priest. It is a commitment to one another without really ever thinking about the piece of paper that they signed.
To answer you, Mr Simms, you don't need that piece of paper to live with someone. In fact, in Scandinavian countries, half of couple who live together are not married.
But you cant beat all that "hala gula" of "Shadi Biya, and Walima" stuff that go with it. I think, most people in Pakistan get married for "Salami".
NYAhmadi,
Scandinavian countries was a pretty poor example to choose to make your point. You can work it out yourself why that is the case. Let's just say the TV over there is quite "liberal". A bit like you.
PeerSimms,
I hope you get hit by a truck some day. And your mom on hearing the news shrugs her shoulders and says
"That's probability for you."
Ok guys..i think there is absolutely nothing wrong with simm's question....If u chose not to agree with him...then its fine but it doesn't mean that you start passing him odd remarks. (I think I have written this statement a hundred of times but oh well...we desies love to point fingers don't we... :))
Simms as for your question goes I guess there is nothing wrong with living with a girl cuz I'm assuming that they r humans too.
Roman as for your statement about true muslim goes...I'm sure if I ask you the definition of a muslim u won't have to think very much which states that it is pretty "clear" ;)
NyAhmadi Desi marries for Salami ha ha! good one :)
ciao,
BoSS
NYAhmadi - Marrying for 'Salami' is really a good one :)
BoSS - You are right, if asked, I will come up a difinition of a 'Muslim' without thinking much but the point is would everyone will agree with that definition? I think not. That's one of the reasons that there are so many sects within our religion and everybody belonging to these different sects calls himself/herself a 'Muslim', even though having some very fundamental differences in practices and belief system. 'Gets pretty confusing, you know :)
My intention of writing what I wrote was not to taunt the religion itself, but rather to point out that religion is a subjective matter and what level of religious influence (if at all) individuals take into their personal lives is upto them, we should not judge them based on that :)
Okay, I'm in one of those moods..
What is it with people that simply cannot stand to face an opinion that contradicts with their own? (Reference: msaqibj)
Why don't such folks simply present the logic that they believe is appropriate rather than name-calling and making insulting statements against the one person that has decided to express his/her opinion? (Reference: msaqibj)
Having said all this I recall another thread where referenced member stated that there are not enough "arguments" going on in Gup Shup. And that he prefers to be involved in mud-slinging. How intellectual! Now that makes complete and utter sense. It explains why he is unable to compete in a discussion where logic and standard rules of debate are used.
Oh well, I guess we needs all kinds don't we?
[This message has been edited by Muzna (edited June 01, 1999).]
Peersimms ji
there is nothing wrong about ur topic
u are entitled to state ur views and those who say idiotict things about u then i guess they arent matuare enough in their minds to look at life from all corners…
Marriage and Religion are two very different things …ppl marry for there reasons …and if u dont wanna marry then its fine …but if u look rationally at the situation then u might see that if u love a person enough to have kids with them then u probably wont mind marrying them too…
however the answer to ur question is i guess thats the way society goes…first marry then have kids…
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so what is the intrinisic worth of a piece of paper called the nikanama..... - quite possibly worthless....
marriage is a civil contract ( even in Islam) that stipulates the terms and conditions of a domestic relationship. It establishes responsiblity and accountability for your actions nothing more nothing else.....
And its power lies not with some judicial authority but with your underlying value system....
coz if u dont wanna live upto your commitments - no power on the planet can force you to do so .... the world is full of deadbeat spouses.....
Many ppl ignore marriage altogether and live together in harmony.... others inspite of being married have little regard for the contract or the spouse .......
So in the end it does not matter.... if u are willing to take responsiblity for your actions - in which case signing a piece of paper is a mere formality .... unless the intent was not to fulfill those responsibilities that come along with relationships.... then perhaps it s a big deal that piece of paper .... and even then many ignore it anyway after signing that piece of paper ......
So the question is not what society thinks but what you feel is the right thing ......
DOing the right thing often feels like a salmon swimming upstream but atleast u respect the person that u see in the mirror every morning ..... :)))))
ROMAN well I dont think it has nothing to do with religion..it is a very big part of religion.I dont know how good muslim you are,but let me ask you one question...can you bring a girl to your house and tell your parents that i am going to keep this girl in the house after few years i will marry her and in the meantime i will have kids etc..you think your parents will allow you to do this..i dont think so..because you are talking thing which is out of muslim society religion etc...I have seen lot of hindu doing this ,but even they dont do it in there country...outside india..if they do it in there country..the people calls her RAHKIL(keep) or in other word prostitute....grow up ROMAN and have some common sense...this is how you are respected in religion,dont even think of doing what you are talking because GOD will never forgive people who does this type of thing.
dil..dilseee
Salams n stuff,
Good arguments ppl!..
Well i agree with lots a ppl (except msaqibj)
marriage can be a part of religion and cannot be a part of religion.
Marriage is just an something which is now a part of every religion. Marriage was before all religions and also in ppl who dont follow any religion.
Marriage is a part of society.
One of ya said something about talking a chic to ya parents and telling them she is going to stay with u. FOR him:-
I guess you are a Jail bait as u still live ya parents :) LIke Get out and find a place for ya self or something.
Its much better if u get a crib of ya own So you can keep a chic there :)
& There is a difference in rakhail(misstress) and you living with a girl.
I dont wana get into that caz thats something you will understand once you find That someone for ya self. caz once you have feeling for the He/She you will understand.
Another thing was geting married for 'salami'
damn man u goto also deal with those awful ladoos and those inlaws etc.. and i ma self just dont like ladoos or those awful aunties going' hi main sadqay jaoon etc.. and god knows why they make circles round ya head with those dollars.
JackHandy said marriage is just a worthless piece of paper called nikahnama... well yeah it can be ... but hey it saves u from those Tullas on the road who always ask for it :) during those meaningless checkpoints they go in pakistan :) and over here its called TAX BREAK :)
And for me being hit by a truck hmm... i wonder why that one was for me :-(
w-salams n stuff,
Jai Peeri.
PeerSIMMS..dear ladoo may jo maza hai,kisi aur mai nahi.....just kidding...ap sooch rahi hoon ga ka ik serious topic ma ya joker kahan sa tapak para...yar apni to ya adat hai ....agar naraz ho raheen han ap to mafi chata hoon....just joking...
dil..dilseeee
Dilse - Just because society and/or religion dictates you for marriage does not mean you should.
As an individual you like to abide by your religion and its teachings, and live your life accordingly. That's your choice and right, same as in the case of an individual who does not abide by certain religious teachings and social customs. You don't have any right to proclaim the other individual wrong, same as the other individual cannot say that about you.
And please, don't assume that I am a Muslim or not... religion is my personal matter, as much as it is yours. And I don't like to be judged based on my religious orientation :) :)
And, no thanks, I want remain to be a kid, life is much more fun that way :) :)
Roman...I am not judging your religion,because I dont know who is from what religon on gupshup,I was just trying to say that in muslim religion it is not done like this...you are a free person and do what ever you want ...non of my business,stay kid through out your life...ik bath suno...you will be a kid infront of your parents even if you are 100 yrs old,they will always say mera bacha(just kidding)...yar ROMAN agar mai na kohi alfaz istamal kiya hai giss sa ap ko dukh hua .bhai mai ap say mafi chata hoon..dil ma kohi bat na rakhna,it is just an open discussion.....I am sorry bro...give me a smile....hahaha
dil...dilseeee
Dilse - :)