A close friend of mine is in a dilemma and I am very worried for her, I will appreciate any replies/advice that can be given on this matter.
My friend who used to be an Ahmedi, left the sect, she always spoke to me about it and how she was researching into the jamaat, she eventually made up her mind and took shahadad officially in front of witnesses, although she knew the Kalma because Ahmedis read the just like other sects do, but she still went to the masjid to make the imam saab the witnesses for her. So that’s that, whilst she was still an ahmedi she met someone and they were delibrating marriage and everything was fine but due to family differences things went soar. Now the problem is my friends family is still ahmedi and the likelyhood is she will be getting married to one too.
My question is whether it will be a jaiz nikah? Do ahmedis read same nikah duas etc as prescribed in Islam? Her family was against the rishta to begin with but after much insistance they agreed but the way things panned out later, ruined everything. Now my friends worried that she cant just go out and look for a guy randomly and she is a homely girl who feels that her family is important too and she does not want to rebel against them. So is Islamically this is right?
Honestly, if she is already out of ahmaddiyat, why is she willing to marry an ahmedi? Her jamaat will probably sort of disown her too right? She shouldnt sacrifice her deen for her parent's deen. Family is important but Allah is more important. Allah has told us not to disobey our parents but if they are not Muslims then I guess we can "rebel" against them. Is ur friend willing to raise Ahmedi kids? If she marries an Ahmedi, she will be stuck in the whole cycle all over again.
Ahmedis are not considered Muslims. Her nikah wont be jaiz. (In my opinion)
Yes jamaat is very strict in this matter and kicks the whole family out if anyone marries outside. That's how they control people, according to my friend. Her family is very religious reads namaz quran and rozay just like muslims but the aqeeda of believing in the false ummati prophet is the major problem. My friend would always talk about it but she said that because eveything else is same, is becomes so difficult to understand that something wrong is present in this sect. We always prayed for her and alhumdullilah she converted later. Now the family is doing every muslim thing that we do and they dont think they are at wrong, they have had so much trouble in life before that she says she does not want to create problems for them. Their experience with this rishta made them more against sunnis now, her mum said they will secretly do the nikkah but the guys family changed their mind and now my friend feels betrayed but she thinks she will be able to convert the guy she marries. Which might or might not be possible. If she does marry one, will it a najaiz nikkah?
This reminds of my favourite novel Peer-e-Kamil, where the protagonist was an Ahmedi but later became a Muslim.
Peer-e-Kamil is the first thing that came to my mind too. I read the novel (in English) for the first time a couple weeks ago. Two of my cousins recommended it to me a year ago and I had heard read good reviews but for some reason I wasn't that interested. But events in my life led me to read the boodk recently and I loved it. I hope this girl finds her Salar Sikandar, too.
A close friend of mine is in a dilemma and I am very worried for her, I will appreciate any replies/advice that can be given on this matter.
My friend who used to be an Ahmedi, left the sect, she always spoke to me about it and how she was researching into the jamaat, she eventually made up her mind and took shahadad officially in front of witnesses, although she knew the Kalma because Ahmedis read the just like other sects do, but she still went to the masjid to make the imam saab the witnesses for her. So that's that, whilst she was still an ahmedi she met someone and they were delibrating marriage and everything was fine but due to family differences things went soar. Now the problem is my friends family is still ahmedi and the likelyhood is she will be getting married to one too.
My question is whether it will be a jaiz nikah? Do ahmedis read same nikah duas etc as prescribed in Islam? Her family was against the rishta to begin with but after much insistance they agreed but the way things panned out later, ruined everything. Now my friends worried that she cant just go out and look for a guy randomly and she is a homely girl who feels that her family is important too and she does not want to rebel against them. So is Islamically this is right?
Thankyou for any replies.
Assalamualaikum
Ask her to go to any scholar like she took shahadh in masjid and ask them. They will inshaAllah tell her whether it is allowed to marry or not and they will definitely give solution of her problem as well.
May Allah make things easy for her and may she find righteous spouse Ameen
I know a lady who married into an ahmedi family without her knowledge and she remained unaware until the parents of the guy started talking about converting her as well. The guy was great but they divorced each other because it turned out the marriage wasn't considered valid. So your friend is going to have a tough time balancing deen and duniya is the future. I hope Allah makes the transition very easy for her.
I know a lady who married into an ahmedi family without her knowledge and she remained unaware until the parents of the guy started talking about converting her as well. The guy was great but they divorced each other because it turned out the marriage wasn't considered valid. So your friend is going to have a tough time balancing deen and duniya is the future. I hope Allah makes the transition very easy for her.
^ thanks Tahurra. If there is any basic tasbeeh to read in this matter, please post it too.
its a pleasure...
this dua came in my mind...ponder over the meaning and make this dua as much as she can...btw i really love this dua in any condition
Hasbunallahu wa ni`mal Wakil': حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ وَنِعْمَ الْوَكِيلُ Allah (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us)
I know a lady who married into an ahmedi family without her knowledge and she remained unaware until the parents of the guy started talking about converting her as well. The guy was great but they divorced each other because it turned out the marriage wasn't considered valid. So your friend is going to have a tough time balancing deen and duniya is the future. I hope Allah makes the transition very easy for her.
That's absolutely tragic.
Thanks for the dua Tahurra, I'll pass it on to my friend.
May Almighty Allah put us all on the right path. Ameen.
Wedlock issue is a later on thing, and you have the answer of your question in your own post #1](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) . However, to make is easy for you "Nikah is not jaiz with one who don’t believe in Khatam-e-Nabuwat.
Yes jamaat is very strict in this matter and kicks the whole family out if anyone marries outside. That's how they control people, according to my friend. Her family is very religious reads namaz quran and rozay just like muslims but the aqeeda of believing in the false ummati prophet is the major problem. My friend would always talk about it but she said that because eveything else is same, is becomes so difficult to understand that something wrong is present in this sect. We always prayed for her and alhumdullilah she converted later. Now the family is doing every muslim thing that we do and they dont think they are at wrong, they have had so much trouble in life before that she says she does not want to create problems for them. Their experience with this rishta made them more against sunnis now, her mum said they will secretly do the nikkah but the guys family changed their mind and now my friend feels betrayed but she thinks she will be able to convert the guy she marries. Which might or might not be possible. If she does marry one, will it a najaiz nikkah?
Seriously??? And then these people walk around trying to convert US, as if we're the misled ones.
How can people not clearly see that they're being conned?
Seriously??? And then these people walk around trying to convert US, as if we're the misled ones.
How can people not clearly see that they're being conned?
They just tell everyone that who is doing bomb blast? Us or 'them', then you say well stupid terrorists who have nothing to do with deen, then they say their aqeeda is just jihad, and look at us us we are so peaceful. Going by this buddism is the ultimate truth?
Their arguments are very lose and they just keep saying the same stuff on and on. I know ahmedis generally dont know anything about this cultic company, but some brave ahmedis are making great efforts on internet to bring the truth to people. But one thing is for sure, they all have doubts but stay quite just because the jamaat management is so controlling. I know someone in Karachi who got married to sunni girl, and jamaat forced their family to disown him. How ruthless? They do this because if people start getting married and going away like this, they'll have no one to pay chanda and company will close down.
I'm an ex ahmedi, so before anyone says I know nothing about them, please pm me so I can help you inshallah.
Well it's nice to know that they like to brainwash their followers against mainstream muslims. That should be a tip-off to people, not to mention that this false "prophet" was likely employed by the British to create divisions in muslims when they were looking for their independence from the British. Same tactics used by the British to devise "Wahabbism". Brits really played havoc on Islam.
PCG.....what sect does NOT brainwash against the others?
to OP....you mention that the girl is homely and does not want to rebel against her family yet she left the sect of her own volition.....these two facts contradict....
May Allah forgive me if I should misguide anyone. But as a matter of discussion, I do not have a conclusive authoritative answer to your question but here are just my thoughts...
The primary reason why Ahmadis are declared non-muslims in Pakistan during the military government of Zia-ul-haq is because of two reasons: false 'new-age' revivalist holy messenger, disunity from greater Muslims Ummah, and alignment and treaty with British military forces and government.
Hindu weds hindu, christian weds christian, jain weds jain, muslim weds muslim, jew weds jew, they are all valid nikkah in Allah's sight
Oneness, unity and universality is the theme of the message in the creations and in the Quran. That is the main reason why there are social limits placed in a Mulim Nikkah in order to sustain the greater umma, and to ensure matters within the same unit of family are judged under the same court system(historically federal courts would allow appellate religious courts to handle cases for specific religious communities).
The difference between Ahmadis and Christian is similar in nature: theological oneness and unity; christians introduce trinity, ahmadis nullify prophetic seal. While Muftis will agree that it is allowed to marry "people of the book", they will for some reason beyond my knowledge, fail to recommend the same for Ahmadis.
Based on this, I personally feel that it would be OK to marry Ahmadi because in my understanding, they are categorically "people of the book" (like the Persian Sabean, and the Christians mentioned in Albaqarah 2:62)
Ahmadis are Muslims. It does not matter what the constitution of Pakistan declares them. That being said, Jamaat e ahmadiyya does not forcefully keep any members in jamaat if they don't want to be a part of it. Anyone is welcome to join and/or leave the jamaat. There is no punishment of leaving, nor is there any reward for entering in it from worldly perspective.
If the girl has left jamaat, she should consult the sunni/shia or whichever sect she chose best for her to find her a suitable match for rishta. If she has already found the guy who happens to be Ahmadi, then that's their understanding as an Ahmadi guy can marry a sunni,shia or any other girl with the intention that he will continuously keep inviting her to jamaat.
Ahmadis are very much close to sunnis than shias. Their nikkah is in accordance to Islamic shariyah.
Someone in this thread has stated that nikkah cannot be jaiz with someone who doesnt believe in khatam e nabuwat. I disagree to this.
1) Ahmadis are NOT munkir of khatam e nabuwat ( in fact, they are more strict in their belief of khatam e nabuwat.. and how they interpret it makes more sense as opposed to sunnis ).
2) When Muselma kazaab came during the time of Holy Prophet PBUH, holy Prophet PBUH did NOT re-interpret the definition of Muslim to include that one is not a muslim if he doesnt believe me as a 'last' prophet. The definition remained the same. So, the concept of nikkah not being jaiz with someone you 'think' is munkir e khatme nabuwat is wrong. A Muslim is a Muslim, they dont need anyone's certificate to prove if they're Muslim or not.