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Originally posted by CocoNut:
** Well, hmm . . . like any other law, there comes his word against hers. How could she prove it? How would it hold up in the court of law?
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Why doesn't she just go and divorce the dude?
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Originally posted by CocoNut:
** Well, hmm . . . like any other law, there comes his word against hers. How could she prove it? How would it hold up in the court of law?
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As in any other court case it can be either in front of a judge, arbitrator or a jury. If the idea is to get a divorce then just the fact that you are in a court should be sufficient. if it is to get reconciliation then it should be with a marriage counsellor or some other trusted unbiased third party.
As for evidence, calls to the police, bruising, vaganial swabs or evidence of violence in that region can all be used, as well as the spouses previous state of mind eg has he been violent before etc.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/sex_good.htm
its in there somewhere… i’ve read that in different articles with hadiths..
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Originally posted by hmcq:
As in any other court case it can be either in front of a judge, arbitrator or a jury.
It can be in front of a judge or arbitrator but jury I highly doubt it unless its rape and murder.
If the idea is to get a divorce then just the fact that you are in a court should be sufficient.
well, that still doesn't mean he has raped her...she gets the divorce but who's to say he won't do it again in another marriage cuz he hasn't been held accountable
if it is to get reconciliation then it should be with a marriage counsellor or some other trusted unbiased third party.
reconcilliation i don't think there have been rules that can be held as precedence in american or canadian judicial system to go forth for a hearing
As for evidence, calls to the police, bruising, vaganial swabs or evidence of violence in that region can all be used, as well as the spouses previous state of mind eg has he been violent before etc.
mhmm, calls the police after the act is done. she files a case and its reviewed at most just a court order to stay away till the papers are in process for injury. As for the vaginal swabs along with the rest of what you've stated, you think married women would come forth with this esp. in our culture. I doubt it.
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Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
[This message has been edited by CocoNut (edited July 04, 2002).]
*Don’t u find it disturbing if you need to tell a man how to treat his wife with respect ? *
Coconut as for the coming foward part- its a choice the woman has to make. and in the case of other cases, spouse selection in general is a buyer beware kind of trade. you do the check the other persons intentions before you get married.
Marital rape is rape so why not a jury. but yes initially the case is more likely to be before a judge alone.
nomaan what other hadits. please provide more common hadits if possible....
Don’t u find it disturbing if you need to tell a man how to treat his wife with respect
Additionally, dont you find it disturbing when you hear men quoting hadith and the Quran to justify having sex with wives against their consent?
Ok, for once I’ll have to agree with her on that, pathetic ain’t it
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Scenario
Typical male: I have to express myself when i want cuz my religion says so! So put out . . . Ho Hum.
Female: No, not tonight dear.
Male: You have no choice its written here, here and here so i got my rights over you. Bow down to my urges.
sigh
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Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
Coco the buyer beware term refers to your comment about people continuing to do it with other people. what i was suggesting that if you find a guy whos already been with a woman and it ended in divorce, perhaps it would be to your advantage to find out for what reason.
as to the humility etc, yes thats true
which is why you as a person must be willing to overlook such supposed cultural shortcommings in women when you meet them... its a cultural change and we have to start that. Also the women have to be shown that they do have a choice and they can get out of such marriages. These things are not ordained!
Pretty much nothing is ordained except survival. You're right, they have to be taught but who's gonna start?
People just wanna throw these kinda topics under the carpet or dominate the other sex. There are few here whom I won't mention their names for the sake of not pointing fingers but they know who they are...how do we educate those in the dark?
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
One person at a time... start with yourself and family and it will spread out.
Ok, for once I’ll have to agree with her on that, pathetic ain’t it
You’re a woman…and most of my comments are pro-feminist. So, I’m kinda concerned here at your comment. Please PM me if I’ve said something to offend females, or even muslim females. I’m always worried about what other people think. I know, its a curse.
PCG:
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you really THINK you got everything figured out.
I’m a guy f.y.i., believe it or not there are men who do care about this kinda stuff too.
As for feminism/chauvinism I’d have to show an obscene universal gesture to those who are pro feminism or chauvinism.
Sorry, but I don’t care for those who segregate to seek their justice.
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Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
its not about segregation.
its about equality.
Sorry, coconut, i thought you were a woman for some reason. No offense.
I doubt you’ll find equality down that lane. Because if you see the feminist groups their views are of segregation rather than what you suggest. Ever wondered where feminism rooted from? Try a different approach.
No offense taken, its a common mistake guppies make
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Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.
PC - there is the idea of equality but there is no actual equality, otherwise we would all be made equal. Yes there should be no discrimination due to gender but that does not mean that men and women are equal. There are somethings that are better done by women and some by men.
I meant equality in terms of opportunitites, treatment, and rights.
Not in terms of biology. I for one wouldn't want to have a penis.
PCG: Thats what HMCQ and myself meant. I think this calls for another thread, another topic "GENDER EQUALITY".
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow.