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Have a look at the following interview with Afridi during the ODI series with SL in abu dhabi. At 2:56 of the clip, Afridi mentions his suggestions to Malik during the game. It may be subtle but it goes to show perhaps that Malik can come under influence.
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Thanks everyone for contributing. Yes he did make some clear mistakes both in Karachi test and today's ODI as well. I hope he will learn them soon. YK and MY should guide him on the field since he is new. Being junior and captain in Pakistani side is a challenge and he looks to be too nice with the guys. He needs to get upto the leadership quickly, before he gets completely lost.
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Malik is a new captain and he will get better with time; atleast better than Inzi and WAY MUCH better than Tullah Younis Khan...
all support for him... right now, he does not need to worry about Arm-chair-Critics.
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aray bhai log, ghaltiyan har koi karta hay warna koi team LOSE hi na karay 
… bura us waqt ho ga jab woh ghaltiyon ko dohrata rahay 
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I agree Captain1. I wanted to see what mistakes does he make (since I didn't see Indian batting today and won't be able to see second innings in ODI series). Not to bring down his captaincy, but for our own knowledge, what must have been done in a certain situation with given resources. Its always to good to know about tactics. And if he is criticized in this process, that criticism should be constructive, since the guy is new and will take some time to over come his weaknesses. I hope seniors in the team will cooperate with him. He can make a good captain for Pakistan, for a long time.
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Even though I am not a Malik fan but my first inclination is to give him time, but...
When I come to think of it, I disagree with the notion that the captain is "new" and should be given time to mature/improve his basic "captaincy" skills.
First of all, if basic tactical mistakes are being made, such as not knowing when to make bowling changes, when to take Power Plays, how to set fielding, etc etc., then it has nothing to do with captaincy. Any club cricketer, or gali mohalla cricketer would know how to do the above things. If you've played any cricket, and you were suddenly picked to be the captain of your team, I'm pretty sure you'd have a good idea of how to do these above things.
I didn't watch the first ODI, but if tactical blunders were made, then one has wonder: Malik has been playing international cricket for the past 7 years... what has he been doing.. sleeping? Did he never learn anything from playing under Akram, Waqar, Moin, Latif, Inzimam? Does he, as a cricketer, not have a feel for how the game works and what needs to be done at any given point in time?
The other part of the captaincy is leadership skills, motivation, leading from the front, handling the media, etc. This I agree is something that Malik would not have encountered before and must be given time to learn.
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WHat the heck malik can do when
1) Umpire raises his finger for ball that pitched outside Leg for akmal 2) When Yousaf and Younis go boundary less in 17 overs 3) when Yousaf and younis DO NOT try to accelerate AT-ALL and as pointed out by Ramiz during the game Yousaf is becoming more of accumulator of runs for personal sake and showed almost no intent of raising the RR.
4) When in even 47th, 48th, 49th Over Yousaf bhai are interested in nudges to grab singles.
5) When Chances are dropped in Slip and by KA. 6) when Neither Gul or Akmal appealed for CB for Ghambir. 7) when Umpire doesnt give 3 LBW's
I think the only mistake he made was when he didnt bring spinners on right away....but i can completely see Malik's POV who could have decided to give GULL longer spell after seeing balls keeping extremely low in his 4th-5th overs....other mistake can be for not having fielder in circle and let indians take quick singles......and even batting first decision CAN NOT be Malik's entirely as the whole think tank of team has to be involved in the decision and not to forget the last ODI pak played against SA they lost chasing a small total and in last 2 T20 games against India, Pak lost both games chasing.....so he (and the team MGMT) must had to consider all these factor and decided to bat first so that they can put some runs on board and hopefully get indians out on wicket with un-even bounce wicket
Overall yeah it wasnt his Brightest day as captain but he can not be blamed entirelly for the loss.
yah rite everything is yousuf fault. actually i think he made mistake by playing so good. common give me a break poor guy took u to the decent score.
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*Malik absolutely sucks on the field. I am serious. He is too dheela a banda, and his captaincy single-handedly led to our defeat in the first ODI. This is what I wrote on another forum regarding him:
"For those supporting Malik's captaincy in today's match, did you guys even watch the match? Do you even understand the basics of cricket? When a new batsman comes in, you pull fielders in to put pressure on the newb, specially when you are defending low totals. You don't give the batsman easy singles. Second, you make sure you are not stupid enough to leave your strike bowlers until around 25 runs (for heaven's sake!) are left to defend. Third, you put a slip in for spinners when the ball is turning and you have a mediocre total to defend. I can go on and on. Malik was disappointing as hell today, and at times I seriously felt like throwing my jooti towards the television because of basic errors like the ones mentioned above. This match was Pakistan's for the taking after India were 113 for 3; Malik screwed up the opportunity with his uninspired captaincy."
We need to persuade Younis to lead the side again. *
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^ I didn't watch the game but judging by all the comments on this forum if such basic mistakes have been committed, then it doesn't bode well for Pakistan. I don't buy the argument that Malik lacks experience. Any club cricketer would've been able to read the situation.. all that was needed was some common cricketing sense.
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^ I didn't watch the game but judging by all the comments on this forum if such basic mistakes have been committed, then it doesn't bode well for Pakistan. I don't buy the argument that Malik lacks experience. Any club cricketer would've been able to read the situation.. all that was needed was some common cricketing sense.
*Absolutely. Anyone who watched the match would have felt the need to throw chappals at Malik, not his critics alone. *
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I think not only does he lack initiative but he also seems to be intimidated by the others. In the last game, Afridi and him were talking and Afridi looked like he was barking orders with Malik just nodding his head every now and then. He doesn't have the guts to do this job.
If only YK hadn't been such an idiot.
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Malik absolutely sucks on the field. I am serious. He is too dheela a banda, and his captaincy single-handedly led to our defeat in the first ODI. This is what I wrote on another forum regarding him:
"For those supporting Malik's captaincy in today's match, did you guys even watch the match? Do you even understand the basics of cricket? When a new batsman comes in, you pull fielders in to put pressure on the newb, specially when you are defending low totals. You don't give the batsman easy singles. Second, you make sure you are not stupid enough to leave your strike bowlers until around 25 runs (for heaven's sake!) are left to defend. Third, you put a slip in for spinners when the ball is turning and you have a mediocre total to defend. I can go on and on. Malik was disappointing as hell today, and at times I seriously felt like throwing my jooti towards the television because of basic errors like the ones mentioned above. This match was Pakistan's for the taking after India were 113 for 3; Malik screwed up the opportunity with his uninspired captaincy."
*We need to persuade Younis to lead the side again. *
Thank you! My feelings exactly!
I think it's a pathetic execuse that he needs time to learn captaincy. I have not played any type of "serious" cricket in my life, but even I know that you cannot defend a total of 239 without bowling out the other team. Also, why would you save your premier fast bowler until the game is all but over? Shoaib didn't even finish his quota of 10 overs for God's sake! Don't tell me he needs to learn these things. He's been playing international cricket for about 6-7 years now and these are the very basic things that even a mediocre cricketer knows.
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I agree in an ideal world Younis Khan should lead Pakistan. Malik clearly needs to improve as a captain, he's not very innovative and aggressive in the field. He does n't come across as a thinking captain to me despite what some ex-cricketers have been saying about him. Remember Malik even goofed up in the final one-dayer against SA by failing to give Akhtar his full share of 10 overs. Who knows if he had used Akhtar more intelligently in that game, we might have been chasing 210 or even less. Akhtar is our best bowler no doubt and I feel Malik needs to use him in three bursts of 4-3-3 or 4-2-4.
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WHat the heck malik can do when
1) Umpire raises his finger for ball that pitched outside Leg for akmal 2) When Yousaf and Younis go boundary less in 17 overs 3) when Yousaf and younis DO NOT try to accelerate AT-ALL and as pointed out by Ramiz during the game Yousaf is becoming more of accumulator of runs for personal sake and showed almost no intent of raising the RR.
Did Ramiz really say that? Was he sure he was watching Pakistani batting and not Indian (Hint: Sachin)? :D Yousuf's strike rate in the end was what 94? Yousuf has the ability to build the RR towards the end of the inning by hitting 4s or 6s as required, so if he was playing slow in beginning it is okay, but Younis is not so strong in this department (Hint: ODIs).
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^ Issi liye to Younis jaldi out ho gaya. Actually if you look at the strike rates of Yousuf and Younis in ODIs they are pretty much similar - Yousuf (74.27) Younis (73.63)
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Very good thread and excellent discussion followed.
I don't see Shoaib Malik any better than Younis Khan, only perhaps in terms of batting, but certainly not as a captain by any means. Thinking back to the times when a fielder would drop a catch or slightly misfield, Younis Khan was always seen cheering up the entire team with his display and range of emotions; a major investment from his part which have rarely been the case with the current situation. I regard Shoaib Malik as having a killer instinct on the field, having been in the team for a number of years and sharing the dressing room with the best. That killer instinct on the field is still there but it is not as prevalent as one would have liked, and in today's day and age, one has to be proactive than reactive; Shoaib Malik would fall somewhere in between. It has much less to do with the healing of the time and the 'inexperienced' campaigner, and more to do with having the general feel of the match and giving your strike bowlers their full quota of overs. His recent decisions of bringing in bowlers at almost the right times and at the right intervals, except that the fielding was left untouched, is an important and a killer instinct which raises his stock as a captain.
The Australia series will be testing times. If the above mentioned changes by everyone fall down the wire, I would reckon Shoaib Malik will be in deep waters. Nevertheless, time is one thing that is going in his favor. He has that, for now.
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My concerns remain for Shoaib Malik as a Captain even after the second and thrid ODI. After the toss in the third ODI, Bishop asked him why he decided to bat second on this pitch and he said that the last match Pakistan played here, they won playing second. For God's sake man, that was over two years ago and was one of those matches where an Afridi Blitz really won you the match. If you look at the scorecard of that match, Pakistan team still struggled even after the record breaking innings from him. So why would you look at the result from a match from two years ago and make your decision based on that?
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Once again, he acted like a tool on the field. Giving Rehman over number 47 and 49? Not even a club cricketer would make that mistake. I don't even know why he keeps picking his Sialkoti friend, because he has done absolutely nothing in this series. Pathetic display from Malik once again, in the field and with the bat. Trust me on this one; his days as captain are numbered.
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kuch arsa pehlay saray keh rahay thay is ko captain bana dou...
Give him some time!
