Malaysia deports Saudi journalist accused of insulting prophet

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Peace Psyah.

True, that's historically been the case everywhere regardless of culture/religion. The pen is mightier than the sword. Poets/artists/writers/whistle-blowers who challenge the status quo are loathed by the establishment because they undermine the power structure. Inspiring independent thought has always been dangerous, and we will continue to ostracize, banish, and persecute the Ghalibs and Kabirs of society.

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^ why we always have to follow in footsteps of western nations?

The hate such comment will create can be understood only if you can see the amount of love Allah blessed ummah with for

Muhammad:saw2:

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^^^ Human rights and free speech, expression and thoughts are not western values. Those are universals human values & should be respected. Religious minded people would not understand that...

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If not, than what is all this fuss about & what is the need for blasphemy laws? And, how are this guys actions impacting anyone else life? And, those who claimed to speaks for God, who gave them right to do that? Shouldn't once's action be left to God to judge?

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because they are forebearers of change and industrial revolution , freedom of speech ,religion and progress. they are not standing still in middle ages even today .

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every one of us is not in middle ages if you think so please start with eating beef.........

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i have already started eating beaf and pork 20 years ago but that is my personal take as a hindu . since i am living in india which is not a hindu rashtra so no body is going to declear me wajibul qatal.
many poor indians eat beaf because they can't afford bakra , but they are still left behind in jahalat because of religion explained to them in madrasa is still in middle ages .
only muslims who adopt modern education are competing with the best but few are still living in the age of muhammad bin kasim . which one of them are you ?

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so now start preaching importance of beef in india let us see how your community react

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Peace Shamraz Khan

It has affected them - the people who reacted to this - we don't claim that it affects God ... It has affected me to hear those words ... they cut me inside - but the best way to show the truth about Muhammad (SAW) is to be like him and show mercy to others even when they show disregard to you.

And yes ... Allah (SWT) is known as The Avenger ... according to the particular persuasion that I follow - if a person does me wrong then I show mercy not harbour any mallice in my heart towards him - then Allah (SWT) will Avenge on my behalf and who is better at avenging than Him? If I hold a grudge or hatred not only will it soil my heart, but Allah (SWT) will consider my revenge already taken in the form of mallice that I have allowed to creep in to my heart.

With respect to those who claim to speak on behalf of God - well they don't do that really, they are accused of doing that ... all they do is merely show what the scriptures say in context to a given understanding. The understanding should be extruded in context to all possible parameters and then there is confidence that Allah (SWT) is pleased with their efforts to determine the right course of action. Efforts meaning full ability to be sublime, honest and just and true to scripture.

Those who do not even associate themselves to God often blame others who love God and are dutiful to Him as people who are taking the right to speak on behalf of God ... which is probably a deception they have put themselves into - that no human is good enough to establish the Will of God and hence when it comes to God we should be completely impartial to it ... This is not the behaviour of those who are in love with God, and we must love God more than anything. (That is my inner natural state of justice telling me that and confirmed in scripture).

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Allah SWT I think would be a better judge of who has or hasnt offended others. I mean, we have all offended someone im sure, mostly unintentionaly, yet we do offend. Should God punish everyone for every slight? If that's the case, real estate in hell will skyrocket!

And I think its inaccurate to label Allah SWT as an Avenger. Those who seek revenge are exhiiting a negative attribute. Revenge implies malice, as you said, it is a need for retribution based on ego. God I should assume is well above such things.
A more accurate portryal would be to say that Allah SWT seeks to instil "justice." Justice is not out of malice or hate, its an acknowledgment of a genuine wrong that has been commited and requires that those responiosble be held to account. It is not an exhibition of ego and self promotion.

And those lambasting the "Speakers" of God are not opposed to their interpretations, or the act of interpretation, but the imposition of a particular view on everyone else. Interpretation can vary, and one certainly cannot assume any one intepretation is 100 percent valid unless the Author himself is present to verify it. Certainly some interpretations are closer to the truth, but none the less, there is never a 100 percent guarantee of accuracy. And where there is room for doubt, no one has a right to making any claims of legitimacy.

Ofcourse we are all free to interpret, however, where those that are accused of "Speaking for God" are in error, is when they claim they ARE 100 percent accurate, and then impose their interpretation on others. So for example, one can dispute an interpretation, but discrimination and violence directed at the proponents of a particular interpretation is nonsensical.

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Looking for an update on Kashgari, I came across this moving article by a Saudi activist/lawyer. Thought I’d share a Saudi voice, which is often absent in discussions like these. He’s married to Samar Badawi, a remarkable woman from what I’ve read. Samar Badawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. What an inspiring couple, they seem made for each other.


Hamza Kashgari visited me several times before he wrote the ill-fated tweets that led to his arrest in February and then to solitary confinement in a Riyadh prison. We discussed social, political and philosophical issues, including some that are taboo in Saudi Arabia. I warned him that his thoughts, if expressed publicly, would lead religious hard-liners to call for his blood.

I find it outrageous that in the 21st century one person could threaten another with death merely for embracing ideas other than religion, God and the prophet Muhammad. But that is exactly what happened at a weekly salon that focuses on political, religious and human rights issues. I named the salon “samood,” a richly textured Arabic word meaning “resistance” or “steadfastness.”

Every week, I am host to several dozen people at my home, most of them politically engaged Saudi youth. I started the salon after government and religious authorities clamped down on gatherings of liberal youth in cafes and bookstores in the wake of Hamza’s arrest, severely constricting the space for free expression in this city. The oppressive trend has accelerated as religious hard-liners have mounted a vicious campaign to cleanse society of what they deem “unbelief” and “deviant thought”: in reality, any ideology different from their own.

At one of the salon gatherings, I had the pleasing epiphany that religious hard-liners have begun to lose control of a young generation that is hungry for freedom. A brave young man responded passionately to clerics whom I had naively invited to participate in the salon and who had threatened him for supporting freedom of expression and belief, saying: “Who are you? Who are you to inflict your religious guardianship upon us? We are free, free to say what we like. You are just like us, not better. The era of religious guardianship is over.”

There was a stunned silence.

Rapt in admiration, I thought about how only 10 years ago I was expected to blindly obey the dictates of an Islamist organization — and how, then, I never would have dared to engage in a debate with its disciples. Those of us born in the 1970s, when extremist religious thought was at its apogee in Saudi Arabia, had a single choice if we wished to serve our communities: Join an Islamist organization.

Much has changed in Saudi society in the past decade. For a brief time, Saudi human rights activists had hoped that religious conservatives could agree with us on a general framework of human rights, including the demand for a constitutional monarchy, the release of prisoners of conscience, the fight against official corruption and civil rights for all. Many thousands of activists from across the political spectrum signed petitions for reform, most notably the 2011 statement “A State of Rights and Institutions.” Unfortunately, just because some people signed petitions does not mean that they genuinely believed in a system of human rights.

The Kashgari affair separated the religious hard-liners — those who demanded the death penalty for his alleged crime of blasphemy or apostasy — from genuine human rights activists. The religious conservatives have declared war, not simply on freedom of expression but also on freedom of belief. The hard-liners believe that they will lose their hold on the Saudi street, were the youth to embrace ideas opposed to religion. In essence, they wish to institute Orwellian practices in Saudi Arabia, by criminalizing mere thought.

Making use of social-media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook, religious hard-liners have launched an online inquisition against those who dare to think freely. In a frightening development, a judge and some clerics demanded in February that I be given the death penalty for allowing guests at my salon to speak freely. For the time being, I remain free.

But many young Saudis insist on freedom of expression and belief, and they are proud of their values of justice, tolerance and human rights. They give me hope. Our resolve is unshakable, whatever difficulties lie ahead.

And the road ahead is indeed difficult. Last month the public prosecutor’s office in Jiddah informed me that I was banned from traveling outside the country for “security reasons.” The ban came two days before I was scheduled to go to the United States to participate in a fellowship program sponsored by the State Department. A few days earlier, my wife, Samar Badawi, had returned from the United States as a proud recipient of the 2012 International Women of Courage award, bestowed upon her by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and first lady Michelle Obama. She suspects that her award angered Saudi authorities and led to the ban on my travel.

I am unable to leave this country, but the sun of humanity shines upon me every day. I bask in its rays, gaining strength against the darkness of oppression. My voice and the voices of others like me shall reach the world, no matter how hard they try to silence us. We shall say, consistently and proudly: steadfastness.

Steadfast in pursuing a freer Saudi Arabia - The Washington Post