Malaysia deports Saudi journalist accused of insulting prophet

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A quick question to all of you stating he will be killed. Got any proof of that or are you just being judgmental bigots?

Secondly think of the logic behind the whole process. Why does a man post on a public forum stuff that is considered insulting and illegal under the country's legal jurisdiction.

Reminds me of the court case where a man was sent to jail in the UK for posting on Facebook that a airport should be bombed. He went to jail. Do you guys think that punishment fits the fact that no crime was committed?

So Shamraz you are saying the US Supreme Court justice was wrong in his statement? After all such concepts should have no limitations.

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He is only an apostate if he says he is and i don't think he has even said that he is apostate.

secondly saudi arabia is a kingship and not islamic state, if it was islamic state he would be allowed to discuss his view if he has doubts and his questions answered by learned scholars.

thirdly people who use twitter should think before they tweet very easy to say something you regret as can be seen in this case!

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Rasool-e-Pak was sent as Rahmat-ul-lil-Alemeen ..... on the occasion of Fatah Makkah He SAW himself forgave those who tried to kill him

This sentence by the Saudi Court makes a Mockery of the Sunnah & Teaching of the Holy Prophet SAW

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man these malaysians have no love for the prophet (saw). They should've hanged him themselves!

They need some lessons in love of the prophet(saw) from our pakistani aashiqaan-e-rasool.

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At least some of us have a concept of the sanctity of religion. Even if others have turned their back on it.

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what is exact number of saudis and pakistanis who actually faced death sentence due to blasphemy laws..........

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This guy must have been high on something when he tweeted that... Inviting trouble.

Still, nothing would justify his murder.

Sad that the best way in the minds of extremists, including the ones on this forum, to deal with those who have doubts about Islam is to kill them. How better to convince those who accuse Islam of violence, then to murder those who caste such doubts.

Islam isnt a violent religon, unless you doubt it, in which case we will kill you.

Irony is lost on some people.

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fanatics kill inside jail or outside before trial begins .

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i think chacha is sarcastic here ?

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Someone's head is going to roll (literally) over this? :

"On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you."

"On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more."

"On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more."

What do you see in the above? I see a thoughtful 23 year old beyond his years. I sense the disillusionment of a perceptive, inquiring mind. I also appreciate why he's a poet and editor. The man is a wordsmith. You have to be heartless, dogmatic, and utterly devoid of an imagination to believe this individual deserves to die, that he deserves jail-time, or that this is about protecting religion.

This is not even a case of reckless or malicious hate speech, a pastor burning the Quran, or incitement to violence. This is an opinion, and he has a right to express it. And he did so elegantly, no matter how controversial you find the content. Did he cause harm? No, I don't believe so. (Practically anything you say or do in a police state can and will cause an adverse reaction for that matter - where does it stop?). Did he cause offense? Obviously. But does the offense principle justify execution or imprisonment?

I don't believe this 23 yr old was high, or being stupid. His further comments reflect a larger realization about transforming Saudi culture and breeding tolerance: "I view my actions as part of a process toward freedom. I was demanding my right to practice the most basic human rights—freedom of expression and thought—so nothing was done in vain. I believe I'm just a scapegoat for a larger conflict. There are a lot of people like me in Saudi Arabia who are fighting for their rights."

Lending more insight into his personality (to me anyway) was this remark on women's rights in the Kingdom : "Saudi women won't go to hell because it's impossible to go there twice." He was also stopped by the Saudi authorities when he attempted to organize groups in solidarity with the ongoing Syrian/Arab uprising.

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Such a depressing thread. Not because it's a unique case, but because of the profile of the person involved. Very unfortunate. My heart goes out to this kid.

It's so much easier to draw swords than to remember this :

If it had been your Lord's will, all who are in the earth would have believed. Will you, then, force the people to become believers?
(Yunus 10:99)

But if they turn away [from thee, O Prophet, know that] We have not sent thee to be their keeper: thou art not bound to do more than deliver the message [entrusted to thee].
(Ash-Shura 42:48)

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Interesting that everybody has already said he is a dead man. Talk about being bigoted, judgmental and racist.

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Saudi's are calling for his head. The Grand Mufti has called for his head. He may not die, but he will be severely punished. Talk about being ignorant and close minded, not to mention barbaric.

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If the judgment is barbaric and such then so be it and I will agree with you. But till then I will reserve my opinion on the matter.

A quick question have any of you who are supporting freedom of speech actually seen what he said that has gotten him in trouble?

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Very very interesting stuff if you read more into the matter. Since you lot would not accept Islamic sources as evidence here are some western sources:
Saudi writer may face trial over Prophet Mohammad - chicagotribune.com
Shahla Khan Salter: Muslims Must Rally to Save Hamza Kashgari’s Life

Now as it has been stated the journalist is a smart guy. Correct? I don’t think anybody has a problem with that premise right?

Well according to these two sources he tweet the imaginary conversation on the Holy Prophet’s birthday. Shows it was premeditated and he knew what he was getting himself into. Then he flew out of the country when over 30,000 people/tweets complained about his comments. So he knew what was gonna happen to him. More so he most likely got the reaction he wanted but couldn’t face the consequences.

Under Freedom of speech there is criminal offense along the lines of “incitement of hatred”.

Incitement to ethnic or racial hatred - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see most democracies and Western states have laws which prohibit the freedom of speech to incite hatred. An open violation of freedom of speech but it curtails the ability of right wing groups to hide behind freedom of speech. That is also the reason the Imam of the Mosque in New York was deported after Sept 11th.

His comments were rather simple. I have been able to find two tweets so far. Can’t find the third yet.

Anyway one he says there were some qualities he did not like in the Prophet. He is welcome to his opinion but its in violation of some quranic ayats. I am fuzzy on the exact wording and someone far more versed on the matter can address it but I do believe the Quran states that the Holy Prophet “is the best amongst us” and has qualities we should aspire too. So he is violating the Quran. While Muslims may disagree on the Hadis none disagree on the Quran. To do so is a violation of the basic tenets of the faith. Muslims believe that the Quran is the word of Allah. So there is no questioning of it.

Secondly he stated he would not pray for the Holy Prophet. Again I am fuzzy on the exact quote but I have had enough lectures from my Qari and the aunties to know it is an obligation for us to pray for the Holy Prophet. Now I am not sure if that is in the Quran. Some one should be able to clarify.

Anyway back to my legal and secular point. He posted those two tweets on the Holy Prophet’s Birthday. He did so in a manner which any Muslim would find disrespectful and violates the Quran. Based on the incitement of hatred clauses in all those democracies he could have been brought to court. Sued personally and stuff.

Anybody stating he was not inciting hatred has to be dumb, deaf and blind.

Its like posting insulting remarks on twitter on Sept 11th. That you all would agree is inciting hatred of course.

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^ That's a fair point. He may have been inciting hatred but I still think he should be punished only with legal action and not physical violence. I'm inclined to believe that the Saudis will lean towards the latter. Hopefully I'm wrong.

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Saudis won't do that. It would have been another case if the culprit was a non-Saudi Muslim.

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I don't think he will be killed. But he will be severely punished. Considering it is Saudi Arabia.

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Are we trolling again?

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Its always interesting that I seem to be trolling when people don't get what I am saying. Harm is subjective as seen with the political cartoons in Denmark.