Malala Yousufzai attacked

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Malala attack has given Zardari a "valid" excuse for military operations and for allowing US drones. I can argue against it for another 100 pages but I know more drone attacks will be carried out, more military operations will be operated and more blood will be shed.

I will never never ever support drone and military operation which cause a lot of damage "collateral damage". My religion does not allow me to support anything that involves killing of an innocent.

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maybe they released the information because of public rage and grief over this attack.

I read somewhere, one of the suspect is actually a women.

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What world are you living in?

Your saying leave the Taliban alone and they will all turn into nice well behaved young men? Even your faith teaches you to defend those who attack the innocent, and the Taliban do just that.

You dont have to support them, leave it to the people who actually have to fight this war and protect people like you, and Malala from the likes of THEM...

All wars cause damage, and LOTS of it, but sometimes you have no choice.

And Zardari isnt the one calling the shots in Islamabad. The system doesn't work that way. The Army isnt even under his control.

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To protect the likes of Malala? Actually, I'm better without the sort of protection the little girl received that ended up her on a hospital bed. Pakistan was a safer place during the dialogue era...since the drones and Lal masjid and military operations the situation has gone worse and is getting worse everyday.

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Really? The likes of Malala? So people who attack and murder innocents are in your oppinion, are actually people we should make peace with?

Malala was attacked because the Pakistani state refuses to fight terrorists. The enemy isnt the US or the Pakistani Army or govt, its the Taliban.

And the Lal masjid stand off festered because the authorities refused to move against those religious chauvinists and extremists until it got out of hand.

Pakistans govt tried to have dialogue with the militants and it only made them stronger. They even acquiesced to the demands of the Swat Taliban, despite their beheadings and destruction etc, and the Taliban rewarded them by invading Bunner aswell.

At this point, its a well established fact that the govts response has generally been one of compromise. The reason the Taliban still exist is because the PAk authoirites refuse to fight them and would rather let them be as they are.

I would have thought atleast this event would have made you realize that these terrorists cant be negotiated with. I mean how do you make peace with people who shoot a child?!?! Thats a serious question.

I think you might be losing hold of your emotions. Your not making sense. We shouldnt fight people who kill innocent people? Why does Islam teach us to fight the oppressors? We are to fight them to the bitter end, but cease hostilities if they seek peace. Does shooting a child in the head and then gloating over it constitute a call for peace in your understanding?

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safer place during pre-musharraf era when these keeRay were busy across the durand line and the loc. mushy got his arm twisted into shutting down the afghan and kashmir jihads, and keeray decided to reform their own homeland.

even now, people like bao nihari will call them mujahideen as long as they stay in waziristan. when they step into swat and other flatlands west of indus, they are still just a bit mislead. when they make their way to lahore or islamabad or karachi, they be agents of amreeka and israel.

pak is not going to recover from this python anytime soon. its a quagmire until people learn their lesson about giving those who tout religiosity carte blanche, regardless of which institution of civil society they infest.

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What do you mean "she wad attacked coz paki army refused to fight?". Where are you getting these stories from? Drones haven't stopped before or after she got attacked so stop coming up with nonsense like this otherwise I'm just going to ignore you like I did before. Don't know why am I even responding to your nonsense!

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I've already mentioned the parts about the history of this region and liberation army etc in various posts...and few others posters have too. I don't know where mujahideen fit into all of this tbh.

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:rotfl:
Someone shoot me please!
Its the job of the Army and govt and their functionaries to protect civilians.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for attacking Malala, and many other people, both civilian and otherwise.

The PAK authorities have not done anything to rid Pakistan of the Taliban.

Hence, because they have allowed the Taliban to survive, and indeed proper, they have facilitated such attacks through their inaction.

And drones may not have stopped them, but they certainly havent facilated their growth. (Or maybe they have. Its debatable)

LOL… Thank you for your time. I appreciate your patience and apologize for intruding on your world and putting you through the pains of putting up with my nonsense!

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And now pak army will defend its citizens? Better take this convo to militancy thread…there’s some interesting conversation going on regarding military tactics.

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Someone has too...

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Peace queer

Here is my world view and please tell me if you think it is twisted.

A girl strives to give her cause a voice ... Does so ... But at the price of her own safety ...

Taliban or whoever those tribal militants are on the other hand strive to continue fighting because they are getting attacked for their backwardness ... They do so at the price of their families and friends being killed and themselves too ...

She is being made to defend a noble cause and she chooses to do so ... That is bravery given the track record of Taliban ...

On the other hand women and children who are not even asking for violence are being killed alongside a small number of fighters ... That is the cowardice of the attackers who do so with drones and they can't be asked to take care of innocents ....

Malala had chosen to become a target ... Those kids didn't ... The Taliban attacked her and intended to do so because she was vocal against them ... The drone strikes on the other hand are killing many like her ... Don't you think all of the violence should just stop. It would be better to engage in talks with them instead.

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That part I read … Perhaps it is exactly that … Kill the Taliban and second best thing is to kill their chance of populating … Taking out their children and women … Is that the tactic is it?

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Your world view is a bit unreasonable. And gives far to much credit to criminals. And in fact, you are equvicating between the actions of a little girl, and those of an organization that is responsible for mass murder. What more can I say.

The girl strived to defend her rights, rights given to her by her creator. This does not in any way make her a target, except for those who are twisted enough to make her one.

Taliban fight not because they are bitter over being called backwards, but because they were taught to believe that their standard for living was ordained by god and all those who disagree are violating that decree, and thus forfeit their life.

And who is calling them backwards? Pakistan society generally shies away from openly criticizing them. In fact, it encourages in many cases their sort of ideology. The Taliban are a product of Pakistani society, not wholly separate from it. The Madrasas they graduated from were Pakistani, the people they were indoctrinated by were Pakistani.

She is not being made to defend a noble cause, she does so because she was not cowed by intimidation at the hands of bullies. Everyone would be like her if they weren't terrified into inaction.

The difference between Malala and the Taliban is that Malala strives to empower others even though she is weak. The Taliban are strong, and use that strength to impose their views on others.
Yes, both sacrifice, but Malala sacrificed for the sake of things we value and consider virtuous. The Taliban sacrifice in order to spread mischief (what does the koran say of those who spread mischief...). They murder, they steel, the kidnap, they exploit.

No one asks for death, no one wants to be a victim. Those who speak up take risks, but that does not absolve those who commit aggression towards them...

The drone strike didnt create the Taliban, the Taliban are the cause of the Drone strikes. Its an unfortunate fact of war that innocents die. its the nature of war. I did not make it that way. Should we not fight the aggressor and defend the innocent if there is no way to prevent innocent casualties? If the Taliban continue as they are, murdering as the do, and we have no way to counter them without producing untold misery, we should simpy let them fester and continue their aggression? Just give up?

Islam teaches you to have a soft spot, it teaches everyone that. But it also teaches us that we have responsibilities, that we must defend those who are weak. We are not taught to have a soft spot for the aggressor, we are taught to fight them until they are defeated or yearn for peace. The "Soft" spot is only reserved for those who cease their aggression, who ask for peace. Have the Taliban asked for peace or ceased their aggression?

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Of course not. unless you believe the US and NATO intentionally target women and children. Thats a strong accusation that requires strong evidence.

In a war however, innocents die. Such is the nature of war.

If the death of innocent civilians is to much to bear, then lets not fight at all... Oh but wait, if we dont fight then they attack little girls in busses, homeless fakeers, Shias, Ahamdis, Sikhs, women, teachers, the media, cd shops, babers.... Yes, great advice psyah jee. Lets avoid all innocent civilian casualties by drone strikes, better to let the Taliban impose themselves on society and kill those innocents instead! Why allow americans to kill innocents when we can let the Taliban do it for us!

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And rather very quickly. When was the last time they arrested actual culprits and punished them for such crimes in 10 years.
You know Pakistani police is famous for picking up fake suspects when there is a little bit of heat.

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It seems that for you drones is the answer to this war yet until now it has not been able to deliver the decisive blow and in fact produced more Taliban animals than it has killed. That is my view. You also justify innocent deaths by drones and Nato troops by saying that in war innocent people are killed. however in this case I think more innocents are being killed than those animals, giving them an absolute platform to recruit more to their cause. Furthermore if it is your argument that innocent deaths are justified by drone attacks than what is the difference between what you say and Taliban who use the same argument to further their murderous attacks.

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Dono hi vehshi huay naa.

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for someone, whenever I see this thread in real time window it looks like moulana yousufzai attacked.

:smack:

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And queer said we need more minds like med911...that would be a complete disaster.