Malala Yousufzai attacked

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I didnt say that drones are the sole answer to the problem, but currently that is all there is.

I think it hasn't been able to make a decisive blow because of the nature of this form of warfare and the handicaps associated with not having any men on the ground. The decisive blow will come the day the Pakistani govt decides these animals are their responsibility, and sends in the Army.

i think if anyone can offer up an alternative, everyone would be all ears, but there doesn't appear to be one. The Pakistani govt does not allow foreign troops in, and has refused to send in Pakistani soldiers to do the job. Meanwhile, the Taliban are allowed to continue to commit their crimes unmolested?

As far as whther they are effective, this is an open debate. If they arent, then what is the alternative. Perhaps they do end up recruiting more people as a consequence, but then any form of War would risk embittering others to join the enemy. Its really a damned if you do and damned if you dont type situation. Pragmatism tells you that in such instances, the least of all evils is preferred. It remains to be seen whether this is the path of least evil.

I dont justify any civilian death. But it is what it is. When war is hurled upon you, then you must fight. The nature of war is suffering. its a cold calculation, but that what it is. Why blame me for cold reality? Sitting around and doing nothing is not an option.

There is a difference between people who kill with the intention of killing innocent people, and those that do so unintentionally and by accident... That is the difference.

Im surprised by how everyone wants to get rid of the Taliban, but then are offended by the casualties that inevitable result as a consequence. You cant have it either way.

And of course, if you havent all figured it out, I dont want drones, I dont want anyone to die. But Pakistanis have to defend their country, or there wont be a country left to defend.

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If it were up to you, you would send in an Army of kitty cats with watermelons on their heads to seduce those Taliban with their cuteness! :D

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i do not support drones, but the drones have killed around 3000 people. Lets say 50 % were militants, that makes around 1500 civilians. Using that as a justification they have killed 40000 civilians. Can you justify that? What do you say about people who attack schools, mosques or markets? Are they attacking Americans there?

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Malala had chosen to become a target ... Those kids didn't ... The Taliban attacked her and intended to do so because she was vocal against them ... The drone strikes on the other hand are killing many like her ... Don't you think all of the violence should just stop. It would be better to engage in talks with them instead.
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The taleban have killed far more malalas in their suicide attacks. I remember in 2008/2009 all schools in Punjab were closed down for 2-3 months due to threat from taleban that they will attack them as they were imparting western education.

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Hope Taliban have been convicted for all those 40,000 deaths in a court of law.

BTW, how many types of Bans are there and who is supporting and funding them ?

ISI sponsored, CIA sponsored, RAW sponsored or Mossad sponsored ?

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[note]removed the irrelevant posts, guys please keep it civil[/note]

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None of these people have given an alternative either. Perhaps if they are left alone to think about what they did, they will reform themselves, give up their weapons, disband, give up any all power they may have garnered, and give up on their dream of turning Pakistan into the next afghanistan! Yes that is their strategy!

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Your strategy has already failed. Just saying.

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This is the news of the schools that were closed in Punjab due to Taliban threats, what did those kids have to do with the war on terror or drone strikes?

Pakistan schools shut after threats - The National

Pakistan schools shut after threats

ISLAMABAD // Co-education schools and universities in three major central Pakistan cities have been temporarily closed after getting threats from the Taliban and al Qa’eda, school administrators and security sources said. The closures in Islamabad, Lahore and Faisalabad follow a botched intelligence operation to uncover a terrorist cell at a state-administered university in Islamabad, security sources said.

All sources requested anonymity and asked that the targeted institutions not be named, citing security concerns. Sources in Islamabad said administrators of three private coeducation school chains teaching British secondary school curricula had received telephone threats warning them to segregate their students by gender. The telephone threats began about a week ago, with the first received by the principal of an Islamabad school popular with the political and business elite and foreign diplomats.

The school was closed all of last week. The federal ministry of interior issued a general security warning late on Thursday, coinciding with the temporary closure of the visa processing section of the US Embassy. Teacher and student attendance in schools and colleges across the capital was minimal on Friday morning. Shortly before midday, following a meeting between security officials and school administrators, parents were summoned to collect their children and told that the institutions would stay closed at least until tomorrow morning and possibly until Tuesday.

Administrators said the schools and universities would reopen after enhanced security measures were taken, including the posting of armed police and paramilitary units, and rerouting of traffic. The administrators said students had already been instructed to stay inside school buildings to prevent them being targeted in the playgrounds, which are located between entrance gates and classrooms. “We are attempting to create a security buffer for the students, but we know there is little we can do to stop a suicide attacker,” said an administrator of an Islamabad school campus.

School administrators in Lahore and Faisalabad, the two largest cities of central Punjab province, are taking similar precautions after the provincial home department warned them that a terrorist attack by local and foreign al Qa’eda militants, infiltrating from the South Waziristan tribal region, was “imminent within 10 days”, according to sources close to Shahbaz Sharif, the chief minister of Punjab.

Parents with political connections had earlier kept their children home after being privately warned of the threat, a parent related to Mr Sharif confided. South Waziristan is home to Baitullah Mehsud, Pakistan’s top Taliban warlord, who has granted sanctuary to several thousand militants from Central Asia, the Middle East and North Africa. Mehsud has claimed responsibility for the deadly March 30 attack on a police training school in Islamabad and has conveyed personal threats to Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab, through journalists from the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) who attended a national convention of journalists’ unions in Faisalabad about two weeks ago.

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However, security sources said the threat to the schools in Islamabad was probably the work of the Swat chapter of the Pakistani Taliban, which has used similar scare tactics in the past to impose a “shadow government” in the NWFP. The Swat Taliban has used the cover of its February peace agreement with the NWFP provincial government to infiltrate units into neighbouring districts, including Haripur, which is separated from Islamabad by the Margalla Hills.**

Security sources said the threat to schools in the capital grew after a raid by operatives of the military’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) directorate on a residential enclave housing employees of a state-administered university in Islamabad failed to capture the head of a terrorist cell. The raid, which took place in late March, was launched after ISI arrested an employee of the university in Peshawar.

Eyewitnesses said the handcuffed employee was taken into custody by a squad of plainclothes operatives who searched his three-room residence for several hours looking for a laptop computer. However, the family of the suspect had hurriedly left their home the previous day, travelling by taxi to the Karachi Colony commercial market of Islamabad, a hub of public transportation to the NWFP. “His mother said there had been a death in the family and they were going to attend the funeral,” said the taxi driver, who also asked not to be named.

Another source close to the operation said a militants’ mole inside the intelligence unit had tipped off the suspect about the impending raid. “The operation was a disaster. The terrorist got away and we have no idea where he went,” he said. Sources at the university said the detainee was part of a small group of employees, including one senior member of the teaching faculty, who for two years have been preaching the militant ideology of the Swat Taliban to colleagues and residents in the vicinity.

The university administration has received two threatening letters demanding segregation of male and female students, according to employees. Security sources said the faculty member had not been questioned in connection with the university investigation or the threats. The government and school administrators said a decision on whether to allow students to sit examinations in May and June would be taken in light of the prevailing security situation.

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Cant convict them unless they are arrested and brought to trial... Wonder how we could possibly convince them to turn themselves in so we can take them to court... But I suppose they arent going to simply give up and be arrested! How do we arrest them... Hmmm... Any suggestions?

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You dont know what your talking about.. Just saying. Your just an apologist for terrorists in my opinion. Just saying.

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The old dirty trick of calling anybody who doesn’t agree with your point of view a terrorist apologist is just a bullying tactic that doesn’t impress. :chai:

I have as much sympathy for terrorists as you.

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First of all the good people of America need to tell Uncle Sam to get the heck out of Afghanistan.

He has avenged 9-11 a thousand times over and his blood-lust is still not over;
unless the whole plan was to spread his imperial tentacles in this region for good, from the start.

Whenever Uncle Sam is in a neighbourhood, there is a civil war. Go brush up on your history.
See post # 317.

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I think we shouldn't over simplify things, if some one doesn't agree with the drone strikes or the way the war on terror is proceeding doesn't automatically become a taleban apologist. If some one gives justification for their actions, then I agree but there's no justification for killing civilians on both sides.

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I agree with you.

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I think posts 304 and 307 had something to do with Med response IMO.

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The situation in Pakistan is similar to the Cambodia in the Vietnam war. As a result of the war, and the way Americans attacked border areas (of Cambodia), Khmer Rouge was created in Cambodia. Same seems to be the case in the creation of TTP. When Khmer Rouge got power in Cambodia they started genocide of their own people, and hence had to be forcefully removed. That's why we need to evolve a strategy of getting rid of this scourge, as the Americans will go away at some stage, it would be us as the end of the day who will have to suffer the consequences.

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Here is an interesting and relevant article:

In case you missed it:

Same article. This link might be easier on the eyes to read:

http://www.alternet.org/story/15665/violence_is_the_american_way

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I agree with queer. Med is outstanding in his analysis. He has a unique ability to put himself in others ' shoes.

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Malala is the ‘daughter of Pakistan’ - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
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Ziauddin Yousafzai, spokesperson for the Swat Valley peace counsel, never thought his 14-year-old daughter Malala would be a target for the Pakistani Taliban.

“I was thinking that it’s me who always stood against these people and have strongly condemned their bomb blasts, suicide attacks and killing of innocent civilians on every forum”, Yousafzai told Al Jazeera from his daughter’s bedside.**

Malala, who first came to public attention at the age of 11 for speaking out against a ban on girls’ education, was shot in the neck and head by Taliban gunmen on her way home from school last week.

Over a cup of coffee, Ziauddin expressed his gratitude for prayers for his daughter’s swift recovery.

**“She is not only my daughter … she is the daughter of Pakistan and I am only the caretaker.”
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**Ziauddin considers himself blessed by God for having a daughter who has been prayed for not only by other Muslims, but also Christians, Hindus and Sikhs.
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For Ziauddin, this is a sign that “everyone who came to know about Malala’s incident has prayed for her life … When I see little children praying for Malala’s life it gives me renewed strength and hope that Malala, the nation’s daughter, will recover soon… and one day she will be going back to school to accomplish her dreams for humanity”.

Among Malala’s many well-wishers was Raja Pervez Ashraf, prime minister of Pakistan, who visited the hospital to assure her parents that they are not alone in this tragic time and that “the whole nation stands with them”.

**‘Crime against humanity’
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“Today we have gathered here to pay tribute to the bravery and courage of Malala Yousafzai. The nation stands united in condemning the brutality and degradation of those who perpetrated this crime and the poisoned mindset that seeks to destroy the soul of our nation. The attack on Malala is not a crime against the individual. It is a crime against humanity. An attack on our moral and social values.”

Speaking to media the prime minister went on to say: "The extremists attacked Malala because they were scared of the power of her vision. She had a simple message - the rights for the girls to be educated’'.

Ashraf called Malala a true Pakistani who is the real face of the nation.

“We will not allow anyone to destroy the face of Pakistan. We pledge that we will not allow the future of our children to be in danger by the militant mindset.”

Of Malala’s treatment, Ashraf assured the public that she “is under the best possible care”, but that “the next 48 hours are important”.

Malala, who is currently on a ventilator, was flown by an air-ambulance from Combined Military Hospital (CMH) Peshawar to the Armed Forces Institute of Cardiology (AFIC), a health unit of CMH Rawalpindi on Thursday.

A national prayer day for Malala was observed across the country on Friday. From morning school assemblies to the Friday prayer services, Malala was on everyone’s minds. It wasn’t just local gatherings though, provincial and national assemblies and even Pakistani television honoured Malala.

Friday also saw reports that the key suspects in Tuesday’s shooting were arrested in northwestern Pakistan.

Kamran Rehman, district administrative officer in the Swat Valley said police are actively pursuing the shooters, but so far only three arrests have been made.

Though he cannot be certain of the suspect’s roles in the shooting until a full investigation has been conducted, Rehman did say they were between the ages of 17 and 23.

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One suspect has also been arrested in Rawalpindi, not far from the hospital where Malala is currently being treated.

A military official speaking on condition of anonymity told Al Jazeera that the suspect tried to enter the hospital on Thursday night claiming to be the girl’s father.**

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well at least he doesnt confuse malala with the lal masjid goons.

or make claims like omgz they are killing all the babies from that region with drones coz that is what the dajjal prophecies says.

and that is what pakistan needs - someone who can deal with reality, and not fiction or porn-like self-delusion.