Making sense of Pakistan: Imagining Pakistan sans the religious fixation

Sensible thinking at last. Too much fixation with religion has hampered progress and development in Pakistan.

Since Islam played a critical role in the country’s creation, Pakistanis have struggled to find a consensus on the meaning and role of Islam in the country, observed Dr Farzana Shaikh, author of the book “Making Sense of Pakistan,” while speaking about it. This fundamental dilemma has had significant political, economic and strategic implications within and beyond Pakistan, Shaikh added.
Shaikh directs the Pakistan Study Group at Chatham House, the international affairs think-tank based in London. Her book was published in the US and UK last year.
“Many people have argued that Islam had little to do with Pakistan’s creation and that actually the emerging Muslim middle class in India used religion as a ploy to justify its demands for separate statehood,” she said.
In her opinion while this argument has merit, the idea of Pakistan being a “safe haven” for Islam in India was impossible to ignore.
However, the multiple meanings that were historically attached to “Islam” among Muslims in South Asia, all left their mark on Pakistan where, “after the country’s independence, they re-emerged as part of a debate on national identity,” according to Shaikh.
She said the ideological confusion that is at the heart of Pakistan has eroded the foundations of a pluralist society and prevented Pakistanis from having a stable constitutional settlement.
Shaikh said Pakistanis have constructed a negative identity, one that is based on opposition to India. Since there is no consensus over what Pakistanis stand for, the national identity came to be defined by the country’s rivalry with India. “This has meant that the military emerged as the dominant state institution and the key arbiter of Pakistan’s national identity,” she said.
She believes the military’s days of pre-eminence could be coming to an end since being “anti-India is no longer acceptable to the international community.”
In its effort to find an alternative narrative, the military has framed the war against militancy as one against those who aren’t really Muslims, she said, adding that such framing “throws up the whole debate of who is or is not a real or good Muslim.”
The fact that the equation between being a Pakistani and being a Muslim has not been resolved has taken a terrible toll on Pakistan, she said.
She believes Kashmir to be a stumbling block that needs to be settled for Pakistan to move forward. “It has had a damaging effect on Pakistan’s national life by giving the military national dominance,” she said.
It will take time, she believes, for civilian institutions to develop the kind of muscle required to stand up to a military that has jealously guarded the prerogative of deciding our national interests for a long time.
“For the time being, the US needs Pakistan’s military to fight its war but one day the war will end and if Pakistan’s civilian institutions are allowed to continue, however fault-ridden they may be, there should in time be a slight shift in the balance of power in Pakistan,“ she said.
Discussing the future, Shaikh said the country needs a new constitutional settlement which would recognise Pakistan’s Muslim character but deny Muslims the political pre-eminence they have come to expect at the expense of non-Muslims.
“It’s not asking very much. Most people in Pakistan just want to be left alone to practice their Islam,” she contended.
Dr Farzana Shaikh is planning a new book on Pakistan in which she hopes to raise serious questions about the new agenda being promoted by the present government, aided and abetted by the US, that somehow sufism is the ‘right’ kind of Islam for Pakistan.
“As long as we are locked in this question of Islam in Pakistan and are unable to break free from it constitutionally and politically, we are doomed,” she warned.
Asked if there will be a Pakistani edition of her book, Shaikh said the Oxford University Press had agreed to publish it early next year, but suddenly decided against it.

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Religion is counter productive.

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Religion is the opium of the people...

Do not deny us our needs now... we all know what can happen when you put a stop to the source of comfort.

However like opium it does have it's sode affects and not all of those are good.

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Religion is not counter productive, its people who make it out to be.

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Which is why it is counter productive :D cuz that's just how it is. regardless of if it was designed in that way or if its turned out to be that way due to how people handle it. it just is.

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Good to know revisionism has died out. Just to recall what was the premise for Pakistan? Oh yes a separate Muslim homeland for Muslims. Yes no religious fixation there.

Please don't revise history so you feel your views are reflective of what has happened.

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In my knowledge,Quaid-e-azam never wanted a state where so-called islamic laws are to be imposed. I can give an example:
When Syed Ata-ul-lah shah bukhri went to quaid and asked him to declare ahmadies as kafir.Quaid-e-azam refused to do so despite of molana's sewer insistance. Reason was that Quaid-e-azam knew that if so-called islamic laws would impose, it will creat extremism and sactarian voilence.

But,unfortunately, after his death,so-called mullas made this state, a state of extremism, in the name of islam.

Quaid speech of 11Aug 1948 is a milestone for us.

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In quaid state, every pakistani had equal rights to do worship in his own way and nobody had a right to impose his so-called islamic laws on others. That's why first foregin minister of pakistan was Chaudhary Zafarullah khan who was an ahmadi.
But in the era of zia-ul-haq especailly, rights of living were banned on people. According to 1984 ordinance against ahmadies:
1.ahmadies have no right to call themselves as muslim.
2.ahmadies have no right to call for a prayer "azaan".
3.ahmadies have no right for saying their place of worship as "mosque."
4.ahmadies have no right to write "kalima" on their places of worship.
(because it is right of only so-called mullas to write "kalima")

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He created a country for Muslims based on religion. Only two countries have been created like that. Pakistan and Israel. To state that religion had nothing to do with the creation of Pakistan is reflective of a mind divorced from reality.

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You are absolutely right there but who is arguing the point? There is absolutely no denying the fact that Pakistan was created for the muslims of india. Even the writer herself acknowledges that here,

‘In her opinion while this argument has merit, the idea of Pakistan being a “safe haven” for Islam in India was impossible to ignore.’

But what is wrong is the way religion has become so entrenched in the constitution of Pakistan. We saw how it can be a problem when the blasphemy law for instance is exploited by some stupid people
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/470416-the-stupidest-blasphemy-charge.html

Personally I find it objectionable that people are required to declare their religion when applying for a Pakistani passport. Each to their own. As citizens your first allegiance is to your country, then to your religion, not the other way around. There was a big debate in Britain after the 7/7 train bombings as to whether muslims living in Britain were really loyal to the country.

In Britain every employee has to have a criminal records check (CRB) every year or so, every 6 months for those working in more sensitive positions but even in the CRB form you are absolutely not required to declare your religion

You must have observed over the years how the masses esp. in Pakistan overreact and get all emotional every time someone says something negative about islam or insults the prophet PBUH. Even the arabs don’t make such a big noise…koi Satani Verses likhey, Pakistani masses ko sab sey ziyada takleef hoti hai; koi cartoons publish karey, Pakistani phir sub sey ziyada shor machatey hein…agar koi Holy Prophet PBUH k barey mein bakvas karta bhi hai tau ignore it.

People have a right to protest but they should do it in a civilised and responsible manner rather than issuing fatwas left and right and threatening other peoples’ lives. Better still ignore it and move on. This is all because of brainwashing of the masses by illiterate, intolerant and narrow-minded mullahs who act like thekedars of islam. How is setting own buildings on fire…apney hee mulk ka nuqsan karna… a rational response? Surely there are more sensible & peaceful ways to register your protest.

As the writer herself says ‘the country needs a new constitutional settlement which would recognise Pakistan’s Muslim character but deny Muslims the political pre-eminence they have come to expect at the expense of non-Muslims. “It’s not asking very much. Most people in Pakistan just want to be left alone to practice their Islam’

All we are asking for is separation of islam from constitution and politics. As far as I am concerned, JI and MMA should not even be in politics. That is not their place..

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But what is wrong is the way religion has become so entrenched in the constitution of Pakistan.
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What exactly is wrong with religion being part of the Pakistani constitution? I by no means accept that the Blasphemy laws are acceptable or the Hudood Ordinance is a great idea. They are relics from a time best forgotten. However the general premise of religion being part of the Pakistani constitution is negative is well myopic.

Secondly you persume that a citizens first allegiance is to his or her nation state, based on the western model of thinking where the oath is to the nation state. While in the rest of the world it is not the same. For Muslims it is to their faith. In Africa it is to their tribes. These ideas of loyalty have been around for centuries longer than the concept of loyalty to a nation state.

As for the Pakistani people. I personally believe they all believe the sky is falling. The liberals of Pakistani society who are in fact neo-conservative in the US model or the religious right. Every one is Chicken Little herself. I do agree they need to partake in a level headed approach to life. But that is not specific to religion. The op-ed pages on the Express Tribune are a great example of the liberal neo-cons thinking the sky is raining hell fire.

All you are asking for is a separation of Islam from the constitution and politics. I say put it to a referendum like a true democracy. You and I both know you will lose that vote.

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looks like religion bashing has become a fashion these days... khud religion ko follow kartay nahi jesay karna chahye, aur kehtay hain "religion is counter productive"

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It was country made for the sake of a Muslim majority. It was made for Muslims, but not Islam. Big difference.

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The reason why we don't want religion in the Constitution is precisely because of the creation of laws like the so called Balsphemy law, or Hudood ordinance among other laws.

Read up on Jinnahs own quotes. He explains it better then any of us could. Religion is not the business of the state.

If religion had been kept out of politics and the constitution, then you wouldn't have such laws, because they would be struck down as unconstitutional.

And of course if you put it to a referendum, people would want it in the system. The reason is that the minds of most Pakistani (already rather weak thanks to the state of education) have been poisoned by this general air of religious chauvinism that shoved down their throat from birth.
But regardless, just because the majority believes in an idea, doesn't make it justified. Im sure there was also a majority who strongly supported the institution of slavery in the South during the American civil war.

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Then I guess Jinnahs mind was divorced from reality when he specifically said that religion is not the business of the state?

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Oh yes. Let the educated elite save us from the views and positions of the general populace. So much for supporting democratic values. The majority decides what is acceptable. That is the basic foundation of any society. That is why in Europe homosexuality is acceptable. In Saudi Arabia it is not. Or why in the US it is acceptable to drink at 21 but in France it is okay to drink at 16. The majority decide what is acceptable. Basic element of democracy.

As for the concept of it was made for Muslims but not Islam. The sheer stupidity of that statement is beyond the pale. Its like saying the US was made for people to practice their religion freely but not for basic freedoms.

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Religion is what humans are made for Religions is the most important thing in life

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Med dont quote only one speech of Mr Jinnah he had many speeches also quote other speeches sir in lot of speeches he has said Pakistan will be ruled according to the PRINCIPALS set by PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW

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Arey Yaaro :smack:

It’s called the Islamic republic of Pakistan for a reason…

We dont need revisionist history to change that becuase it never will.

At least not while a good 70+% of the population still live and believe in Pakistan with every breath they take. :jhanda:

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true! its only the so called elite and a small minority of west-and-india-inspired-middle-class which has problem with religion