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Seminaries plan ‘Islamic revolution’
By Inamullah Khattak
ISLAMABAD, April 2: Two religious seminaries, Jamia Faridia and Jamia Hafsa, are adamant to enforce “Shariat” in Islamabad and across the country and said they will announce their movement in the Lal Masjid on Friday.
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thanks to moranic president musharraf- and his old fasion "make pakistan look like west" policies.
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^ I think thats what the government doesn’t want. Violence only begets violence and extreme steps only adds to the polarisation within the country. I guess with so many fronts already open as said above, the government is hesitant in taking this issue head on. Na burka, na bikini, we want a darmiyana raasta, beechkay he rahain tow behtar hai 
you know enlightened moderates…
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All these mullah's need is a new front for their anger, create a situation which involves anti USA or anti Israel subject and these guys will go after it like rats.
There is a permanent solution to this problem but we'll need someone tougher then musharaff and with at least 7 - 9 billion dollars, it will take about 7 - 10 years but we will be able to get rid of mullah's forever and it will rebuild Pakistan, the long term goals are achievable if the mullah's are gone.
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All these mullah's need is a new front for their anger, create a situation which involves anti USA or anti Israel subject and these guys will go after it like rats.
may be musharraf / tv channels stop pushing pakistani society into "fahashi"
and the there will be no reaction.
If i was in pakistan I will fully support these mullah/talibanisation till musharaff knows its pakitan--not turki and he is musharaf not kamal ata turk
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may be musharraf / tv channels stop pushing pakistani society into "fahashi" and the there will be no reaction. If i was in pakistan I will fully support these mullah/talibanisation till musharaff knows its pakitan--not turki and he is musharaf not kamal ata turk
dude, if there was popular support for sharia it would've already been implemented, fanatics only control 15 - 20 % of population. it just that they bark too much and annoy people. look back at Pakistan history and tell me when Pakistan improved this much, as a society and as a nation.
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yeh wohi wali misaal hay kay;
< on second thoughts I dont think I should write even the censored version>
<anyone interested in knowing what was supposed to be written - PM me 
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Political musical chairs nothing else. Makes perfect sense in the current scenario. Mushy will cling to his seat, maybe put glue or elfy on it, opposition will mobilize all resources, as pathetic as involving girls from a maddressa.
There will be a show down - some change of faces
everything will apparently calm down - PhuuussSSSSSSSSS
then it will be the turn of the new owners of pakistan to Loot…
and life will go on
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Im cautiously optimistic though... Pakistan isnt Afghanistan and Islamabad isnt Peshawar... I think majority of people are relatively liberal and enforcing any sort of Shria style Bull Sh1t will be next to impossible.. But the govt really needs to knip this in the bud before it takes some really violent turns.
I am not quite as optimistic. When we went to Isloo last winter, we saw a lot more hardening of attitudes in my husband's family. They are an army family, and while they have always been conservative in certain ways, they have always been fairly secular. There are now a couple of cousins who beat up the younger kids who aren't praying, a lot more niqabis (at their brother's insistence), people destroying others books and CDs, and so on. The elders make excuses for it or try to say that it's just a phase but it seemed much more serious than that to my husband and I. We saw this pattern in many of the middle-class families we visited.
I am not attacking anyone who is religious - my husband and I both consider ourselves to be so, but I don't think it can be forced, and I don't think that the particular "brand" of Islam that is being promoted is accurate.
When we talked to various family members about what is happening now, the elders just say "oh, the youth are frustrated, nothing will come of it", the younger ones who are interested in Islam say it's time for jihad in Pakistan, and the secular ones pass the students off as crazy people and don't take it seriously. That attitude worries me more than anything.
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All these mullah's need is a new front for their anger, create a situation which involves anti USA or anti Israel subject and these guys will go after it like rats.
There is a permanent solution to this problem but we'll need someone tougher then musharaff and with at least 7 - 9 billion dollars, it will take about 7 - 10 years but we will be able to get rid of mullah's forever and it will rebuild Pakistan, the long term goals are achievable if the mullah's are gone.
Your comment reminds me of an article I read once about how muslims "need" the Jews and Americans to provide an outlet for all of the rage we feel. I wish I could find it...
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dude, if there was popular support for sharia it would've already been implemented, fanatics only control 15 - 20 % of population. it just that they bark too much and annoy people. look back at Pakistan history and tell me when Pakistan improved this much, as a society and as a nation.
Well, if the population was so opposed to Shariah, it would have been abolished by now and Pakistan would be staunchly secular.
Could it be that people are content with the legal status quo....and all they want is a bit of security? Law and order must go together...otherwise people get ideas.
That means implementing all laws...the ones that you care for...and the ones you don't.
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I am not quite as optimistic. When we went to Isloo last winter, we saw a lot more hardening of attitudes in my husband's family. They are an army family, and while they have always been conservative in certain ways, they have always been fairly secular. There are now a couple of cousins who beat up the younger kids who aren't praying, a lot more niqabis (at their brother's insistence), people destroying others books and CDs, and so on. The elders make excuses for it or try to say that it's just a phase but it seemed much more serious than that to my husband and I. We saw this pattern in many of the middle-class families we visited.
I am not attacking anyone who is religious - my husband and I both consider ourselves to be so, but I don't think it can be forced, and I don't think that the particular "brand" of Islam that is being promoted is accurate.
When we talked to various family members about what is happening now, the elders just say "oh, the youth are frustrated, nothing will come of it", the younger ones who are interested in Islam say it's time for jihad in Pakistan, and the secular ones pass the students off as crazy people and don't take it seriously. That attitude worries me more than anything.
I know what you are talking about, all my friends who have recently visited Pakistan told me similar patterns. However enforcing Islam no matter whose version will not make things better in Pakistan. People over there need the ability to think and educate themselves.
Pakistan has become a corrupt cop in the eyes of the world, aik tulla. Jo chaho us se karalo paisay de kar. Islam can be revived in Pakistan but with the proper reforms so it does not detach itself from the world, and this taliban style reform is detrimental because not only is it against worldly progress but also against Islam. Putting on a topee and wearing a daree and treading out in a burqa and niqab does not make you a flag bearer of Islam.
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this is limit of stupidity. log bag kaam chod ke religion bechne pe lage hain.
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Well, if the population was so opposed to Shariah, it would have been abolished by now and Pakistan would be staunchly secular.
Could it be that people are content with the legal status quo....and all they want is a bit of security? Law and order must go together...otherwise people get ideas.
That means implementing all laws...the ones that you care for...and the ones you don't.
But whose "version" of shariah are you planning to implement. There is no set definition of what shariah means right now. In 10 different muslim countries you will get 10 different definitions of shariah law. And let's face it, a law, God-given or not, is only as good as the one interpreting it.
If we look at the examples of the Prophet (saw) we can clearly see that he did not implement shariah at the end of a stick. Laws were phased in over time, and with those laws came the reasoning behind them. Our Prophet (saw) would never have kidnapped someone, especially an infant, to close down a brothel. And just once, I would like to see someone preaching against the men who exploit and use the women inside of a brothel.
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I believe that there could be four or more reasons for government non action on madrasa idiots. It is anyone's guess what could be the reason, but I am putting four possible reasons here.
Reason one: Government is really playing with fire and for whatever reasons they are doing that, they are doing idiocy in not giving these madrassa idiots a good thrashing. It is possible that there are sympathizers of these idiots in government that are successfully succeeding in stopping government to act, or are exaggerating the consequence of crack down on these madrassa idiots, and on their advice government is showing caution and restrain in acting.
[We should remember that Zia-ul-Haq is cause of all these problems in Pakistan and Ijaz-ul-Haq is present serving Religion minister. There are many remnant of Zia-ul-Haq in army as well amongst ruling political party PML (Q) that might have sympathies with these madrasa idiots. It is possible that Chaudhri Shujaat also probably does not like hard hands on these fitna makers and might be advocating restrain. President Musharraf knowing their some support in army as well as government politicians might be restraining himself from cracking on them in hard way].
Reason two: Government is involved dealing in many fronts and are occupied, thus waiting for some other fronts to cool down before they act on this issue (especially CJ issue).
Reason three: When dealing with empty brain so-called Jihadis, government is taking step in precautionary manner. It is not that government could not thrash them into non-existence, but because government might be thinking that if Kashmir issue is not solved, these empty brain idiots can be used there again.
Reason four: Government is doing deep and notorious political manoeuvring and using misguided action of these brainless idiots for their own political good. For most people, these idiots from Madrassas are part of religious parties, regardless of religious parties like it or not. Leaving them idiots loose for a while doing all damages is going to bring some sense amongst many ill informed and misconceived supporters of religious parties in Pakistan.
The result would create fear amongst people and would make people run away from supporting religious parties and all those close to religious parties, as many would take the actions of madrassa idiots as trailer if religious parties ever come to power in Pakistan.
*Many unconcerned and politically inactive Pakistanis that never voted before and are considered as silent majority, seeing all this drama, fearful of the consequences in waiting, would also going to start taking interest in next election supporting Musharraf enlightened moderation. *[This is called, using built in psychological fear factor of inactive people to bring them out to do something, so that their fear brings favourable result. In Pakistan case, it would be their support for enlightened moderation]
PPP and ML (Ganja group) being in opposition and working along with religious parties in fighting government on CJ reference, in this environment would loose support and sympathy. PPP would get affected most as most of PPP supporters would be feeling shock to see PPP along with religious parties.
There are other further political gains in letting the situation to carry on, as this situation is making President give scary picture to west as well as people of Pakistan, that what could be expected if enlightened moderation does not succeed in Pakistan.
Government may be thinking that to let these madrasa idiots do all damage they can, so that opposition parties suffer, and later after election government might move to thrash these madrasa idiots and would do damage control.
[If my analysis four has anything truth in it, this is sad, but is part of what one expects as anomaly of democracy. Politically a very shrewd move]
In the end, be it tribal areas or Islamabad, I believe that government of Pakistan has enough fire power to give a good thrashing to all these fitna makers.
For instance, if I was in Pakistan wanting to control the situation and have command over Pakistani forces to do that, I would announce complete evacuation of civilians from tribal area within specific time. Then, I would take out all foot soldiers from Northern areas and exclusively use aircraft to do carpet bombing in the area mercilessly (with hope that most so-called jihadis after indiscriminate bombing, would be out of their hideout) and then just after bombing, helicopter gunship would follow killing any person seen moving on ground.
Later army could move in mopping out any leftovers. I believe that if government does that for a month or two, all problems of so-called Jihadis in northern area would get sorted out, with least casualties to Pakistani forces.
This could be done in one area at a time. Isolating the area, do operation and then move to next.
Cleaning Islamabad would be easier and I do not think that government would have any trouble even if they decide to take control of all mosques and madrassas in the country. Actually, letting these madrasa idiots to do some damage in Islamabad would make government job to act harshly against them in near future, more easy.
Nevertheless, I don’t know but I believe that government whatever is doing, they act against these idiots as soon.
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But whose "version" of shariah are you planning to implement. There is no set definition of what shariah means right now. In 10 different muslim countries you will get 10 different definitions of shariah law. And let's face it, a law, God-given or not, is only as good as the one interpreting it.
My point was that regardless of the laws, the people must feel secure. The whole "kill em all" mentality among the secular sectarians here will not help that concern one bit.
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aide from a knee jerk reaction by pathans, no religious party has ever really dont well in elections, people may be religious and all but they dont seem to trust the self declared guardians of the faith like sandwich and diesel.
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My point was that regardless of the laws, the people must feel secure. The whole "kill em all" mentality among the secular sectarians here will not help that concern one bit.
I agree with that, Paki people just do not have the mental capacity to think or act rationally, no wonder why we produce so many suicide bombers.
Its just kill them, chhitrol etc.
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Zia created this to counter the afghan war, and now we as Pakistan's have to pay the price for this,
So now Zia created the Taliban...you left out SARS, boubonic plague, AIDS, SE Asian tsunami, Oct 8th earthquake and many other such catastrophies...
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I agree with that, Paki people just do not have the mental capacity to think or act rationally, no wonder why we produce so many suicide bombers.
Its just kill them, chhitrol etc.
chitrol is used in jest and out of frustration, but when talks fail, actions have to be taken, now for example, if you want to get that library back and these people will not give it up, and they will not listen, at some point in time it will have to be some action where there is going to be conflict, and where there is conflict, there is chitrol.
for these guys going and harassing shop owners, they can be asked to stop and if they dont stop, they have to be arrested, which they will resist in which case there will be chitrol during arrest.
so a chitrol only is in play if talks dont work and these idiots continue there lameness.
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Zia may not have reated Taliban but Pakistan has paid a heavy price of "afghan Jeehad"
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true, very heavy price, from drugs and guns earlier, to a huge impact to our culture, the polarization and all,
anyways, conservative folks talk about oh how liberal teh country is getting, forgetting to look back in history and see that Pakistan was much more liberal in the 60's than it is today.