Madrassa Graduates in Pakistan

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an issue also is who is teaching the engineer at his engineering school. the credentials of the professor, the quality of the curriculum etc. a
bad university with sub par curriculum and incompetent professors will turn out engineers who will build bridges that will fall apart.

similarly, who is teaching the kids at the madrassa. what is teh curriculum, and what is the qualification of the teachers. a sub par curiculum taught by a poorly trained teacher will turn out bad graduates.

also basic islamiyat is taught in school curriculums so by the time someone gets to a university they have had 12 years of religious education as well. so if you look it at about an hour a day for academic year for 12 years.

also as far as madrissa goes, if we are talking about the higher education madrissas then thatis one comparison. but to compare a 5 year madrissa to a university is not right.

as far as poor preparation goes, ppl who quit peela schools after fifth grade are very ill prepared for practical life and society also.

The number of years of education, plus what one is being taught is important, and when we look at it from that perspective whether it is 5 years of education in a govt school or five years of education in a madrissa, its equally bad.

so not enough educationa nd training is one issue, on the other hand the bigger issue is the wrong education one that teaches hatred, madrissas that are affiliated with terrorist groups like sipah e sahaba and all, we have a whole diff problem.

Madrissas serve a huge need in the country, because without them there would be a large chunk of population that would just go without any formal education at all, and the overwhelming majority of them are good institutions. I may have mentioned Jamia hamadia in shah faisal colony karachi where I have actually gone in to talk to students about what other countries are like etc.

The sad part is that intelligence agencies preyed upon the poorest segments of population, and in cahoots with our 'religious leaders' used some madrissas are factories for free fighters..go fight in

I almost want to rewrite bruce springsteen's born in the usa to born in pakistan, because we failed these people as a nation. we allowed our govt to take funding from saudis and give the green light to extremists to use madrissas are factories to brainwash kids who have nothing going for them.

shame on us.

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^yes well that is a whole different manner of looking at them. In order to make sure the teachers at madrassas are not surving some self deviated agenda the government has to actively take part in it. Unfortunately our government doesn't take much part in government schools let alone privately run madrassas. My take all along on this topic has been that the so called educated breed of pakistan is responsible for all the mishaps. Sack the current education board and devise one that can take the majority of pakistani kids along instead of catering to the wishes of a certain class and ignoring the rest of kids. And for the love of Allah invest more money towards the education instead of treating is a like a luxury treat it like a necessity.

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Looking at your response, I think education wont do any good, just the same run of the mill extremist views with a good sprinkle of some flowery English.

Whether they are 25 or 17 , if they take the law into their own hands they will be dealt with accordingly. Period!

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^Allah aap ki khana bahaduri, when you cant come back with a coherent thought you try the law abiding citizen crap. The very government enforcing the law is illegal. Now you may reply in less flowery yet more sensible language.

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do anyone know that chritians and hindus have such type of schools

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I agree with you. I would like to dd something though.
in many cases its parents who decide that kids are not sent to regular schools. especially with girls, and many times boys as well. In some cases its done out of economic need i.e. kids need to work and cant go to school every day, and go to some madrassa in evenings, or in some cases where they cant afford to raise the kids and just send them to these charity funded residential madrissas. however in many cases they just chose madrissa education above regular schooling. That mindset needs to change as well.

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Huh The very government is illegal, BS!!!!(It was voted in,) retards!!!!

Then America should attack us as Sadam's government was also illegal, I am sorry to say its people like you who sell their motherland, a Very Dishonorable act, (maybe this word is less painful to your conscience).

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Not true. Fraudz how many Madrassa's have you seen and visited. At present most residential Madrassa students are those who have little choice at any other place. And by the way the government schools are no more than Horse Farms, especially those in rural areas from where the ordinary Madrassa students come.

There are certainly some non-boarding students that come from middle class families.

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How many, visited more than a dozen less than 2 dozen. My nana was very involved with a residential madrissa, and I have actually gone in that and ah handful of other madrissas to talk to students about life in Saudi Arabia, UK and US, experience of Hajj as a kid etc.

govt schools may be horse farms i noted that already, but the madrissas in rural areas are not ivy league either.

why are there kids in madrissas in areas where they are govt schools? parents choice, nothing else.

and as far as residential ones go, not all but many parents who cant afford to raise their kids send them there because the madrissas and ppls donations take care of room and board and education.

thats not just a case with madrissas, ppl send their kids to be bonded labour where the kids room and board is paid..i guess its economic necessity.

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What i noted on my last visit to Pakistan was that most Madrassa students in Punjab atleast (dunno bout other areas) are Afghanis or from rural NWFP.

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there is a fairly high number of pathan madrisa students in karachi too. or I should say 'were' My last contact with a madrissa was a number of years ago. Plus my exposure was limited to Karachi.

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Google zindabad…I like this pre-conceived faulty beliefs and after the fact self-fulfilling searching to fit the blind hatred based on the flimsiest of relevance and dubious sources…

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Most of the students in Madrassah ul Darwaish in Peshawar are from Punjab, mostly from gujranwala.

PS: the madrassah’s might be having a sophisticated system of transfer students.

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Good they will soon take over Peshawar.

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Offcourse" ALLAH"can do anything without the will of HIS creation,no matter what if a man does or doesn't have the will to change themselves.And for sure ALLAH is always with the pious and the righteous.ALLAH does not depend on HIS creation for anything but the entire creation depends upon HIM.

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These madrassa people were heros when they were with afghanistan and won the cold war against russia.Now since they are used and no one wants them so everyone is against them.
IF we just add some worldy education with them whats wrong with madrassas. And what about TAqi sahib's madrassas those people have deen knowledge we don't have .SO why is every one against madrassas.Really Pious people know that suicide is haram and they will not do it.

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Since you are so in touch with reality i wont be taking this any further with you.
Note: Noble of you to be so considerate.

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If the madrassas are government regulated as well than it wouldn't be a problem if a portion of people choose madarassa over regular schools? I mean you can never take the religion out of muslims, you'll always need alims and alima's. Perhaps we dont need to copy blindly the western mode of education since the education board is catering to whole different mentality here. I always thought taking religion out won't solve the problem, government needs to take it in stride.
Though wider majority of students are in madrassas due to financial strains in the first place.

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no problem at all, there has to be some curriculum board that creates and monitors what is being taught, the credentialing of the teachers, the quality of education. we will need alims and alimas, an regulation and credentials will help ensure that there si soem quality control and its not blind leading the blind.

although if the aulity of our govt schools is an indicator, I doubt that regulations are going to do a whole hell of a lot.

It would be nic eif more madrissas have apperenticeship programs so students ca learn marketabe skills for trades as well.

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sorry che

I stand corrected, madrissas, their teachers, graduates or people affiliated with religious-political groups like JI/JUI have never done anything wrong.

Thank you for showing me the truth.