Lt.Gen Haroon could be next COAS | Kayani retires

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It seems seniority be again ignored by Sharif and Haroon Aslam will be overlooked for the post of COAS

Lieutenant General Rashad Mahmood is the new favourite of both NS and Kayani

Kayani might stay on as CJCSC


One of Pakistan’s most powerful men, General Ashfaq Kayani, is likely to stay head of the military with a new title when he steps down as Army Chief next month, taking over some of the duties of his successor, said government and security sources.
The expected move comes at a time when militant violence is on the rise in Pakistan, while tension boils with India over disputed Kashmir and as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif seeks to shore up a stable government just months into his job.
For the United States, it would mean continuity in Pakistan’s approach ahead of a pullout of most foreign troops in neighbouring Afghanistan at the end of 2014.
There has been speculation over who will take over as chief of the Pakistan army, which has ruled the South Asian nation for more than half of its history since independence in 1947, when Kayani steps down.
Sources and aides close to Kayani said Sharif wanted to make him head of a revamped and more powerful Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC).
One senior intelligence official also said that Sharif planned to overhaul the JCSC, a largely ceremonial office, into a “central defence body” by restoring its command over the entire military establishment and giving it additional powers.**
“The new JCSC chief will be in charge of the nuclear arsenal. He’ll decide on action against terrorists,” said the source, adding that new powers included the right to promote, post and transfer key military officers.
“Basically, the JCSC office will be what it was always supposed to be: the overall boss.”**
Sharif has a history of bitter relations with the army but is keen to preserve a semblance of continuity at a time when Pakistan is struggling to contain a growing Taliban insurgency.
However, keeping Kayani in a powerful role is likely to entrench the army once again as the real decision maker in Pakistan, with the civilian government playing second fiddle.
Military officials did not return repeated calls seeking comment. The government’s spokesman said he also could not comment until an official announcement on Monday when the current JCSC chief is due to step down.
The devil they know
Kayani’s post had already been extended for three years in 2010 — to the discontent of some climbing the ranks below him.
Sources close to Sharif said he was unlikely to give him another extension, which would allow movement in the top ranks.
“The JCSC chairmanship is the most likely option for Kayani,” said a close Sharif aide.
“He’s an expert on the Pakistani insurgency. He understands the war in Afghanistan.”
Under Kayani’s command, the army has launched several offensives against Al Qaeda and Taliban-linked militants in the tribal regions on the Afghan border. In response, militants have extended their attacks to major cities across Pakistan.
Pakistan is trying to bury the legacy of military rule and this year, for the first time, a civilian government completed its full term and stood aside for Sharif’s team to be elected.
Sharif has a difficult relationship with the army, and picking Kayani’s successor will be a defining moment of his second term. Kayani was once Intelligence Chief to Pervez Musharraf, the army chief who overthrew Sharif in 1999.
Lieutenant General Rashad Mahmood, Chief of General Staff, has emerged as a possible successor and a Kayani favourite.
Other possible candidates include General Tariq Khan, considered pragmatic on US relations, and Lieutenant General Haroon Aslam, the most senior official after Kayani.
“Nawaz wouldn’t want an overly strong army chief and if Kayani plans to stick around in uniform, then he would prefer someone close to him,” a senior retired army officer said. “Rashad is the man.”
Either way, Kayani is widely expected to stay on in one form or another.
“He won’t simply retire and disappear quietly,” one Western diplomat in Islamabad said.
The relationship with the Americans is also key.
The US has a long-standing alliance with Pakistan, but ties have been strained by US drone strikes that have also led to many civilian casualties in northwestern Pakistan.
“Kayani has a good rapport with the Americans and has worked closely with them in Afghanistan,” the prime minister’s aide said. “For Sharif and the US, it’s better the devil they know.”

Will Kayani be the new JCSC chief? - DAWN.COM

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With Kayani staying around in uniform in a different yet more powerful role, Pakistan will actually be seeking more of the same. I have yet to find out a single bona fied reason to benefit from his services anymore, except that the Americans are overly pleased with him.

Kayani has a professional performance card that any COAS would want to disown as fast as he could. The US went berserk on 9/11 because it considered the raids as attacks on its heart. Whereas siege of GHQ entailed hardly and response which bespoke wrath of a team which was inflamed over its den being under attack by a bunch of morons.

Pakistan's military suffered humiliating blows one after another under Gen. Kayani. Be it GHQ, Mehran, Kamra, army colonies or convoys, the military machine has hardly anything to show off. And how could we forget the resident who was occupying a sprawling mansion in the neighborhood of one of the most prestigious institution — Pakistan Military Academy in Abbottabad.

As far as the new COAS is considered, given the current situation in FATA, I don't see anyone more suitable than Lt.Gen. Tariq Khan who knows the terrain, the people and the battle like the back of his hand. If seniority has to be ignored, along with friendly terms with generals, then Tariq Khan may be the right man for the job.

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Kayani is just a US puppet nothing more

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Serving the needs of master is enough to keep your high pay-rate even if it is in guise of a different "title"/role.

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Why do you give so much importance to army chief’s appointment? Do you think CAOS is still calling the shots and working above the civilian government?

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Do you believe otherwise?

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I am don't know. That is why I have asked this question to originator of this thread. The importance given here by participants gave an impression that they want upper hand of army over civilian government which is not a good sign for any democracy and civilian rule in the world.

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Whether we like it or not, COAS is the most sought-after position in the land. Nuclear arsenal and key elements of the foreign policy are still under the military's control

And my point is simple. Being the elected PM does not give you the right to overlook seniority or merit and make appointments based on political affiliations or favouritism. You should not politicise these two important institutions - judiciary and military. Appointments should be made on merit

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Do you think in developed world seniority is never over looked in appointing army chief? The question is who appoints CAOS in Pakistan? If it Prime Minister, then he has full right to overlook seniority according to constitution. Only seniority is not the criteria in appointing any key position including army chief.

I can understand the responsibility of securing nuclear arsenal, tell me which democratic country of the world has its army chief looking after the foreign policy? This makes Pakistan no better than Afghanistan, Nigeria, Egypt, Libya, Ethiopia etc, all the countries at bottom of sh!t hole. Why do you want Pakistan to equate with these countries?

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I don't know why NS is hesitating in announcing the next Joint Chief of Staff because decisions of such importance should not be made in midnight, they should announced a few weeks in advance so that everyone knows and speculation is avoided. The decision on Joint Chief of Staff should make in clear who the next Army Chief will be. I don't think that anyone should be given an extension as institutions should be more important than personalities. Based on seniority the Naval chief should be appointed Joint Chief of Staff and Lt. General Haroon Aslam should be made the Army Chief, and upon being promoted both will get a 3 years extension in their service.

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I partly agree with you. Indeed at times it maybe necessary to overlook the most senior person for the top job due to their corrupt practices or extremist leanings. But how can anyone justify appointing someone so junior (Zia and Musharraf were not even the second or third senior most at the time) as COAS and the consequences are there for everyone to see. That was blatant abuse of their position by ZAB and NS. Yes the PM has discretionary powers under the constitution but he should not abuse his privileged position

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May be, but when appointments are considered it goes though set of procedures and rules and who recommends them to be appointed. It was not out of blue moon that ZAB or NS appointed army chiefs at their personal likings or disliking. Because they never knew what snakes were they raising in their back yards.
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also partly agree with you that appointments should be done on merit and seniority. But in Pakistan, it has been routine of army chiefs to kick elected governments out at their wishes since 1947 ignoring the constitution. It is but natural who ever takes over as civilian head of state is always under constant pressure and fear of taken over by these adventurers. That fear and lack of trust make no choice for PM of Pakistan to appoint some one who would not over throw the government. And I don't blame them.

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If there is good governance and the elected leaders serve the public well, and enjoy popular support then they do not need to fear being toppled. Therefore the elected leaders have only to fear their own incompetence.

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Unfortunately that has never been in case of Pakistan. The fear of taking over legally elected government has always been there and this jeopardize their competency and good governance. If the government is changed with in the assemblies for incompetency, you can see a very effective government.

Not a distant past when Zardari ran away to Dubai in fear of taken over after the statements by army chief and Ex. DG ISI in memo case which was under hearing in SC. He was back on the assurance of Hilary Clinton, the former Secretary of State. That is how system works in Pakistan.

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julaab se faarigh ho ga to announce karay ga... dar ke maaray :D

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:D

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Don?t do it, Prime Minister - DAWN.COM

KAYANI must go. No extensions, no sinecure, no new job with old powers, no old job with new powers. Home. And Sharif must be the man to do it.

When it comes to all things army, everything gets complicated deliberately. Who runs the army today and how the military is organised today makes not an iota of difference to the fight against militancy at home or a post-2014 settlement in Afghanistan. Zero. Zilch. None.

Everything gets deliberately complicated when it comes to all things army because that’s how the army spins it.

Well, you see, if you move this around to there and shuffle that around to here, then things will be better because better is better and this is a better way to do things and it’s all very complicated and difficult because civilians don’t really understand this stuff. Nonsense.

There are no indispensables. Never have been, never will be. There are legends, there are heroes, there are the right leaders at the right time, there are leaders forged in the crucible of circumstance — but there are no indispensables.

Institutions need continuity, not continuous individuals. Fresh blood, new ideas, leadership anew. Erode that principle and everyone loses. Descend into the argument of circumstance and happenstance, and everyone loses.

The military may need reorganising, the army may need a different set-up at the top, but necessary or desirable restructuring must never be tied to the fate of a single man.

Throw open the debate, constitute a commission, convene a series of meetings, debate what needs to be done and then do it — when the fate of a single man is not hanging over the entire process.

Do it now, do it this way — an extension or a newfangled position — and the game is up. For Nawaz. And for the rest of us, who live in the forlorn hope that one day a better Pakistan may be possible.

Nawaz has a choice, a very real one. Sandila for CJCSC; one, two or three in seniority as COAS. It would send a simple, powerful, double-pronged message.

The army has claimed the CJCSC slot for itself because of the nukes: the argument being that the country’s nuclear programme cannot be overseen by one of the smaller forces.

It is only an argument, never debated, never questioned, never explained — and there’s absolutely no reason to accept it. Just because the army says so, doesn’t automatically make it so.

Maybe once that was true, but Sandila, the naval chief, to CJCSC would send a powerful message to the boys: new rules, fair rules, rules decided by the civilians.

Gens 1, 2 or 3 in seniority — Aslam, Mahmood or Sharif — to COAS would also send a message. No games, no favourites, no second-guessing, no politicking. If they’re good enough to make it to the top three, one of them is good enough to be No 1. That’s the system, that’s how it’s meant to work.

Go lower down the rungs in search of a chief and folk will inevitably start to question why. Is the DGI the favourite because he kept out of the election in Punjab, earning himself the ultimate reward? Is Tariq Khan a favourite because the Americans like his gung-ho approach to fighting militancy?

Pick from the top three and Nawaz would be signalling to the boys that he’s not playing games, not working the angles, not trying to get some kind of an edge from the only office that could pose a threat to him. Simple. Clean. A rules-based appointment to put the army at ease.

That’s the good option: Sandila to CJCSC, one, two or three for COAS.

There is a terrible option, the one that just won’t die: Kayani to be adjusted somewhere, in uniform, with power.

It’s spun as the apologetic necessary, the unwanted inevitable: Afghanistan has to be figured out, and there’s only one guy to do it — the guy who has been around since forever.

But however it’s spun, there is one, only one, single, solitary, singular reason Kayani could be accommodated: Nawaz is afraid of a coup.

Splitting the COAS’s powers, divesting the office of its power to make or break generals’ careers, or keeping Kayani where he is would betray the most depressing of all Pakistani realities: a three-term PM, elected with a solid mandate, the lion of Punjab, he of the will to change Pakistan is afraid of a coup.

Were he to do it, were Nawaz to keep the general around, his prime ministership would be over. Dead. Finished. Done in less than six months.

For Nawaz could complete his term, spend five years in power, but nothing would erase the spectacular capitulation, the grovelling and pleading, the prostrateness of giving a two-term chief another lease of life.

Fear a coup so openly, so desperately, so early on, and nothing you do subsequently will erase the stain or hide the fear.

There is no good reason on God’s green earth for Nawaz to give Kayani another lease of life. No — good — reason. None whatsoever.

Nawaz has, in fact, actually, truly, really, been handed a godsend. Through no doing of his own, four months into his term, fate has given him the chance to choose his own, and Pakistan’s, destiny.

Nawaz has the notification already: Sandila as CJCSC; general one, two or three waiting to be pencilled in as COAS.

All Nawaz has to do is say no. No, Gen K, no more. The show will go on, without you.

Saying no is sometimes the hardest thing to do. But say yes, and Nawaz will become the new Zardari: the man who elevated survival over everything else.

The writer is a member of staff.

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In other words Kayani believes the army is nothing without him. DelusionsKayani lobbying to keep key defence role: WSJ Report – The Express Tribune

“Kayani is using his office to say that he’s the guy who can control North Waziristan, he’s the one who can handle what is happening with India,” the report quoted a retired army officer as saying.

“With all this going on, he’s saying now is not the time for a change of leadership.”

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Kayani calls it a day**

Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani decided to retire from his post. Kayani steps down on November 29 as army chief after serving twice the normal three-year term for the position.

The Inter Services Public Relations had issued a press release announcing his decision to retire. Kayani in the press release said that he has no intention of extending his tenure as COAS.

Sources and aides close to Kayani had earlier said that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif wanted to make him head of a revamped and more powerful Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC).

“The new JCSC chief will be in charge of the nuclear arsenal. He’ll decide on action against terrorists,” said the source, adding that new powers included the right to promote, post and transfer key military officers.

“Basically, the JCSC office will be what it was always supposed to be. The overall boss.”

Source

A moment of celebration, only if he does not return in a more powerful role of JCSC.

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Kayani has put the rumor down that he'd be staying on as army chief after his retirement.