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i heared, lawrence of Arabia was a Detective?
He was given a special assignment to befriend the Arab Chiefs and fight the Ottoman Turks, because he spoke Arabic! kinda like a 007 special agent!
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He was given a special assignment to befriend the Arab Chiefs and fight the Ottoman Turks, because he spoke Arabic! kinda like a 007 special agent!
i head it somewhere, but forgot. Only the word " detective" was coming again n again when i heared it here. Thanks for reminding me
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to kia sectarianism se pahle kia log bhooke nahiiN mar rahe the? bhai mere, jo dahshatgardi karte haiN vo bhii to hamaare aur aapke bhai band hii to haiN…vo apne hii mulk ke Khilaaf aisaa kiuN karte haiN? duusroN ko rone se pahle kabhii ham apne oopar bhii ro liyaa kareN to kitnaa hii bahtar ho…ham kiuN aise kaam karte haiN…musalmaanoN kaa ab aapas meN laRna shaiva ban gayaa hai…jahaN aag na lagtii ho vahaN ham aag lagaa dete haiN aur beroonii yaaqatoN ko kosnaa koii 'aqlmandii nahiiN…apnaa sudhaar waaHid kaar e awwal o aaKhir hai.
baRe afsos kii baat hai k jahaN chaar musalmaan ikaTThe hoN vahaN sirf iKhtilaaf-e-raaye hii tak mo’aamila maHdood nahiiN rahtaa bal k lappa Duggi aur qatl o Ghaarat-garii tak jaa pahoNchtaa hai.
Hakeem-e-millat janaab-e-'allaamah Iqbal ne kia Khoob maraz-e-millat kii tashKhees farmaayii thii:
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my point was log khushi se apna mulk nahin choRte… why don’t citizens of UK and USA leave their countries in the ratio people from our countries levae their countries. One big reason is unemployment and law and order is the major player in unemployment. Before so called Afghan Jihad and oil exploration in Arab countries, ratio of immigrants from Pakistan was not as high as it increased in subsequent periods.
BTW, if Arabs provide us employment to konsa ihsan karte hain.. They just treat us cheap labor. khoon paseena ik karwate hain tabhi kuch riyals / dirahm daalte hain jholi main. There are no free lunches in this world.
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my point was log khushi se apna mulk nahin choRte... why don't citizens of UK and USA leave their countries in the ratio people from our countries levae their countries. One big reason is unemployment and law and order is the major player in unemployment. Before so called Afghan Jihad and oil exploration in Arab countries, ratio of immigrants from Pakistan was not as high as it increased in subsequent periods.
BTW, if Arabs provide us employment to konsa ihsan karte hain.. They just treat us cheap labor. khoon paseena ik karwate hain tabhi kuch riyals / dirahm daalte hain jholi main. There are no free lunches in this world.
west kaa glamor aur arab kaa paisaa unheN majboor kartaa hai aur oopar se luxuries of life. kia Arab mumaalik sirf Ghareeb hii jaate haiN? vahaN bhaag bhaag ke [by hooks or crooks] sabhii jaate haiN...agar unko paise kam lagte haiN to na jaayeN...iHsaan unkaa yeh hai k vo chaaheN to dunyaa ke kisii kone se sasti / kam ujrat par mazdoor bulvaa sakte haiN magar vo hamaare mulkoN se bhii laate haiN...jo paise unko Arab meN milte haiN vo Pakistan/India meN hargiz nahiiN mileNge.
maiN unkii zoo-paalisiyoN se Khush to nahiiN huN magar majboorii hai. kia hamaare mulkoN meN GhareeboN ko exploit nahiiN kiyaa jaataa? ham vahaN apnii marzii aur Khushii se jaate haiN aur hameN sab pataa hotaa hai k hamaare saath kia sulook hogaa [jiskaa Arab ke paas koii javaaz nahiiN] phir bhii ham jaate haiN...kiuN jaate haiN?
Gharaz k kahne kaa maqsad yeh hai k jahaN un meN bahot sii buraaiyaaN aur KhaamiyaaN haiN vahaN vo hamaare liye bahot kuchh karte bhii haiN...hameN zeb nahiiN detaa k unke aHsaanoN ko bhool jaayeN.
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Good question. MGR was an action hero. Tamil. Then mythological movies had lots of fighting.
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No idea about who was in the theater. I was too young to be aware of anything. Highlight would be eating the idli with molakapodi that mother would pack and distribute during the movie.
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What a useless and stereotypical blog from Dawn’s writer.
“Make your own Saudi prince” - Blogs - DAWN.COM](http://www.dawn.com/news/1124112/make-your-own-saudi-prince)
I again repeat…We Pakistanis are not so interested in Saudi damad…
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I just read that. It is a very strange article indeed.
On that note, I made rather dumb (but purely joking) comment about this to a friend the other day. :omg:
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^
A poor attempt at sarcasm/satire. Lol
However, her overall point is spot on.
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What was her point?
Pakistan men = Saudi men…
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That some women in Pakistan believe Saudi men are perfect and their life in KSA would be perfect...But what they forget is they'll always be Pakistani and the general consensus is that Pakistanis are seen below Arabs in particular Saudis.
'Golden sands' yet comparing Pakistan to dirt...irony is nothing grows in the desert and in Pakistan you can plant anything and it will grow due to the fertile soil we possess...(I liked that bit) Yet Pakistanis have this skewed image of KSA being the greatest country ever.
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Thats why I mentioned recent times. That’s another thing that Indians claim to have discovered zero.
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Thats why I mentioned recent times. That's another thing that Indians claim to have discovered zero.
yes, there is a song too about it:
*jab zero diya mere bharat ne, *
bharat ne mere bharat ne
duniya ko tab ginti aai
taaro ki bhaashhaa bhaarat ne
duniya ko pahale sikhalaayi
*deta na dashamalav bharat to *
yu chand pe jana mushkil tha
dharati aur chaand ki duri ka
adaaz lagaanaa mushkil tha
sabhyataa jahaa pahale ai
pahale janami hai jahaan pe kalaa
apana bhaarat jo bhaarat hai
jisake pichhe sasaar chala
sasaar chala aur aage badhaa
jyun aage badhaa, badhata hi gayaa
bhagavaan kare ye aur badhe
badhataa hi rahe aur phule-phale
hai prit jaha ki rit sada, mai git waha ke gata hu
bharat ka rahne wala hu, bharat kie baat sunata hu
kaale gore kaa bhed nahee, har dil se hamaara naata hai
kuchh aur naa aata ho hamko, hame pyaar nibhaana aata hai
jise maan chukee saaree duniya, mai baat wahee dohraata hoo
bhaarat kaa rahane waala hoo, bhaarat kee baat sunaata hoo
jite ho kisee ne desh toh kya, hamne toh dilo ko jita hai
jaha raam abhee tak hain nar me, naree me abhee tak sita hai
kitane pawan hain log jaha, mai nit nit shish jhukaata hoo
bhaarat kaa rahane waala hoo, bhaarat kee baat sunaata hoo
itanee mamata nadiyo ko bhee, jaha maata kah ke bulaate hai
itana aadar insaan toh kya, patthar bhee puje jaate hai
uss dharatee pe maine janam liya, yeh soch ke mai itaraata hoo
bhaarat kaa rahane waala hoo, bhaarat kee baat sunaata hoo
bhaashaa = language
dashamlav = zero
sabhyata = civilization
kalaa = art
bhed = discrimination
nar = male
naari = female
paawan = pure
sheesh = head
aadar = respect
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I am not an "Arab World" hater nor I hate all "Arabs". FYI, there are 22 Arab countries with highly diverse population of 369.8 million people. One must be a total scumbag to "hate" such a large group of people. What I really "hate" is how bunch of confused "desis" constantly measure their culture against Arab culture, and instantly reject and demonise and dispose anything that we do, but they don't. Either some people are so impressed by overtly *deeniyat *of their appearance, or *fahashat *of their appearance. For example, Arab women wear Jibab and head scarves then they must be superior to their South Asian shalwar kameez clad counterparts, Arab women show their legs and wear strap less prom dresses, then they must be superior to their conservatively dressed South Asian counter parts.
It's so pathetic to see such people categorically generalising their trivial personal observation of handful people from such a large group only to somehow prove that "desis" are on the wrong? More than condemning the Arabs for having superior complex, I get more annoyed at "desis" who have inferior complex and those who try push their inferior complex on others. It's one thing to idealise a society for their scientific and technical advancement, for their knowledge and progress and systems, but another to glorify a society (and force other to do the same) simply because their weddings rituals or whatever, are different from your own? Really? That's it? What kind of sad and messed up thinking is that?
Our culture, our ethnic makeup is such a delicate and beautiful yet a diverse mix of so many different cultures, be it in face of invasions from far away lands or through extended mingling with native communities. I am Pakistani and I wholeheartedly admit all external and local cultural and intellectual influences that has shaped our society. I equally appreciate them all. Even the Western influence. Yes indeed, the independence of subcontinent would have been almost impossible if it wasn't for the education and professionalism our founding fathers learned and practised in Imperial Britain. Just look at our parliamentary system of governance as example of Western influence.
However, when it comes to Arabs, I severely oppose all Gulf states on political and humanitarian basis, I don't abuse and demonise the entire Arab race. Truth to be told, I deeply regret the loss of life and wanton destruction in countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Palestine. The situation in those countries deeply upset me, I pray for nothing but return of eternal peace and prosperity in that part of the world. I know couple of Muslims non Arabs who blatantly refused to feel an iota of sympathy for massacred Palestinians because they are Arabs! I seriously condemn such kind of bigotry.
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I am not an "Arab World" hater nor I hate all "Arabs". FYI, there are 22 Arab countries with highly diverse population of 369.8 million people. One must be a total scumbag to "hate" such a large group of people. What I really "hate" is how bunch of confused "desis" constantly measure their culture against Arab culture, and instantly reject and demonise and dispose anything that we do, but they don't.
I've found that the word inferiority complex, along with self hating, is often thrown around quite cavalierly (not by you) and that their use is not always accurate. Something that doesn't sit right with me is how some people use the term "self hating" to shout down people who raise questions about the Islamic validity of certain cultural practices in Desi culture which are often touted as "Islamic" despite having no basis in Islam. People who raise these issues are not necessarily self hating. There is definitely a difference between questioning cultural practices on principle and scholarly interest and questioning cultural practices to reinforce self hating complexes.
I know that you did not state that everyone who questions Desi cultural practices has an inferiority complex (and I am most definitely not implying that you did). However, I've come across instances in real life and on GS where people calmly raised questions about the religious background of certain cultural practices and were shouted down as having an inferiority complex and being ashamed of their culture. I just wanted point out that the questioning of culture does not always come from a place of self hate or rejection of one's culture.