Love for Hadhrat Muhammad :saw:

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

so what does it mean????
SEAL as u wish to say????
and does not SEAL mean something which comes to stop or close things????

Yusuf Ali commentary on this verse
*When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no further addition. The holy Prophet Muhammad closed the long line of Messengers. Allah's teaching is and will always be continuous, but there has been and will be no Prophet after Muhammad. The later ages will want thinkers and reformers, not Prophets. *
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So you want to discuss in detail what word 'khatam' means in Arabic? I am soon opening a new thread 'discussing the word khatam' in detail. We'll continue this discussion on that thread.

Only Ahmediz know the “real” meaning of this verse :mad:

even though prophet saying for Umar :razi: that if there was a prophet after me that would have been Umar…but there is no prophet after me.

Has not prophet confirmed the meaning that all Muslims believe in today ???

If you follow the new thread, you will know how your ulema (Previous ones) kept also the same view of Khatamiyyat as was understood by Mirza Sahib :as:

Just have little patience and I will prove this to you.

sure, go ahead follow the scholars and ignore ahadith when they don’t suit your cause.

Wait and see. I will quote ahadith too which would explain that even Huzur:saw: is khatamun Nabiyyeen, yet another Ummati prophet can come. Just wait and see!

The Hadith you are mentioning is as follows: **“Bakr Bin Amr, Mishrah Bin ia’an and Uqbah Bin Aamir (may Allah be pleased with them) reports: ‘The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) said: ‘If there was to be a prophet after me, it would certainly have been Umar Bin Al Khattab.’ **

This Hadith falls in the category of the weak ones. We do not find it save through Mishrah Bin Ha’an.” (Tirmizi Abwab Almanaqib Bab Manaqib- i-Umar). Generally the first portion of the Hadith is discussed. The last portion is conveniently overlooked. According to this Hadith, our opponents argue since Hazrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)llived after the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) and did not become a prophet, therefore, prophethood has ended.

It is to be noted that after recording this Hadith, lman Tirmizi observes it falls in the category of ‘Hassanun Gharibun’ - authenticity of this Hadith is questionable. It is handed down by one narrator Mishrah Bin Ha’an about whom it is recorded in Altahzeed Altahzeeb vol. IO, pg. 155: “lbn-i-Hayyan says: He (Mishrah Bin Ha’an) was among the weak narrators of Hadith. He is not to be relied upon, particularly, when he is found to be the lone narrator of a Hadith. In that cast the Hadith should be rejected.”

Ibn- i-Daud (a famous compiler of Ahadith) agreeing with the above view further states **“He was in the gang of Al Hajjaaj who had besieged Ibn Al Zubair and had raided the Ka’aba and pelted it with stones.” **In view of the above, the authenticity of this Hadith is highly questionable.

There are however sayings of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) which may help clarify this topic. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) is reported to have said to Hazrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)** “Had I not been raised as a prophet, 0 Umar, you would have been raised as one.”** (Mirqat Sharh-E-Mishkat vol. 5, pg. 539). Another saying reads:** “Had I not been sent to you, Umar would have been sent to you.“ **(Kunuz Al Haqaiq pg. 103).

All these traditions point to one fact. That is Hazrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) was endowed with the potentials of a prophet. Had the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) not been born and commissioned Hazrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) would
have been. This is the meaning of these sayings. Nothing more and nothing less.