Love and Hypocracy

As-Salamu Alaykum Gupshupers,

I’ll give you a little intro on who I am before I begin the actual discussion about my problem. Please read it all.

I was born to Pakistani parents in Vancouver, Canada. My parents were fairly well of when they arrived in Canada, we were able to live in an affluent neighborhood and my parents did not have to work. I knew my Dad up until I was 10 before he passed away. He was able to teach me the basics of Pakistani culture, I’m able to speak Urdu and Punjabi (also able to read and write in Urdu), and I understood the fundamentals of Islam (Sunni –Wahhabi).

I began to disconnect after the passing of my Dad. I had no siblings, no cousins, and no family in North America (we had family in Europe and Pakistan), and my mom had an emotional collapse when Dad passed away. My mom contemplated returning to Pakistan, but for political and security reasons she couldn’t do that. The local Pakistani community looked at my family as snobs/elitists, we weren’t. They were entertained by the fact my dad was dead and my mom was dying emotionally. We had a history of bad events with the community; on four separate occasions people asked my dad for loans (I can recall this happening 4 times but it happened in other ways, i.e. people asking for money to see family or get medical help for family in Pakistan), he always refused to give them anything. My dad perceived that these people were trying to scam him and corrupt me (lies about my mom and dad were told to me by various people).
My mom and I distanced ourselves from the Pakistani community (the fact we had very light skin being from Kashmir I avoided identifying as a Pakistani). By the age of 14-15 I began to go to high school parties, the drug scene was and still is really lax in Vancouver. I would get high of weed, pop ecstasy tablets and other party drugs. I usually went to 2-3 parties a month and by age 17 it was close to 4-5. My grades were steady, I was enrolled in a private school and they passed and inflated grades to satisfy parents, that being said I was still a bright student for the minimal I effort I put in. I had 6 girlfriends and a few one night stands. I kept my mom blind as all this happened. Soon after highschool I applied and got accepted to University of Washington.

My renaissance happened in my second year of university when I saw what Islam and Pakistan was. I took a Pakistani and Islamic studies class; this is where I met some fellow people from Pakistan or Pakistani descent. I talked and realized these guys and gals were great people to talk to and get to know. That’s what I did, I hit up the hookah bar (I no longer smoke, drink, do any drugs, I am a proper Muslim) with the guys and we began to connect and learn from one another. They helped me learn Islam, we would hold Quran learning sessions every Saturday morning, we’d pray 5 times a day, and we fasted during Ramadan. It was all good and well until I switched universities at the end of my second year.

I took up and opportunity to study abroad for one semester, I choose to go to the National University of Singapore. This is where I met a Pakistani girl I liked (I’ll be calling her Aisha for sake of ease). Realizing I only had 4 months to capture her heart I may have hastened the relations ship too quickly. We had 2 classes together and that’s where I introduced myself. I told her who I was and where I was from. She had been raised in Pakistan spending her preteen years in Lahore and teen years in Karachi; her father had business connections in Singapore which allowed him to send Aisha to University in Singapore. Aisha and I had lunch a few times with other Pakistani friends as to not make things awkward. Soon we began going for walks after class and studying together. We both knew we liked each other and where beginning to develop a love. But she being too modest and I being too confused with how exactly to purpose a rishta or kinship, we just remained friends for half a semester. T hen I told her how I felt, I told her that I loved her (I did love her, this was not lust, I never had sexual thoughts on my mind, I have lusted after girls and know the difference,) Aisha told me that she felt the same way. The relationship got serious; she planned to have me meet her father. Towards the last month of my stay was when the meeting would take place. I met her father and the meeting was very formal, he was highly skeptical of me and my intentions. A week before I was to leave is when I got the news, her dad had said no, he had called some friend of a friend in Vancouver to ask what type of character I was, the person gave Aisha’s father a negative and stark view. The person told him about my naïve teen years. I had already told Aisha about this, she was accepting and said it didn’t bother her.

In the end we parted ways, I was really hurt. I cried myself to sleep for the last two days in Singapore, Aisha came to see me off at the airport; I let my emotions get the better of me. I told her “I love you” she grew teary eyed and said “I love you too” I just couldn’t take it anymore and went in for a kiss, but Aisha beat me to it. So here was a hijab wearing girl making-out in the middle of a Singaporean Airport. I boarded the plane knowing that I’d never be with Aisha. Well end of story, so why the hell did I post this? It is about what happened after I arrived back home. Some Pakistani daala had taken pics of me and Aisha at the airport. The pics reached Aisha’s family and last I heard from a friend in Singapore her father took her out of the university and had her brought home, where she was beaten and mocked, soon after she healed Aisha was forced to marry her cousin. I doubt I’ll ever get into a relation with a Pakistani girl again seeing the pain I caused this one.

The thing I wanted to ask is why there is so much back biting in the Pakistani community, if you try to reintegrate yourself like I tried you fail because the community does not let go of your past, no matter what your situation is. The amount of gossip aunties, uncles, baacha and baachia do is abhorrently abnormal, we seem to hold on to a grudge and do harm to one another as if it were a deed to do so. I see the country in shambles, riots, deaths, hypocrisy in almost every facet of life in Pakistan. Why is that so?

*This is a side note; this is my first post to this forum. I found this forum after returning to UoW a couple of Pakistani students said lets go watch Slackistan, after doing so a few guys got the hots for Aisha Linnea Akthar. So while bored in class we googled for pics of her and that led us to this forum, I browsed the from after class to what it was about and thought it would be the place to post this. *

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Aisha :(

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:teary1:

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I am so sorry to hear of all this and everything you had to go through.

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There are decent people out there and unfortunately they may not have crossed your path but as horrible as it seems, not all desis are alike. I feel bad for the girl thou because it sucks that she was forced into a marriage but that was jahalat on her family's part. I

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:teary1:

This is horrible.

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Have you tried to contact Aisha as of recently?

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I wondered if Aisha had decided to marry OP without her parent’s concent knowing that he is nice person and not some awara guy, what would be the response here?

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Yes, I emailed her..... no response. I tried her phone but it was no longer in service.
I knew some of her friends and contacted them and they told me she married her cousin, they don't go into detail. But I was able to get details after a bit of coercing they told me she was beaten and then kept in seclusion for a month, then after 3-4 months she was married of to her cousin.

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Aisha actually wanted me to skype with her brother and sister, but I told her that would be really awkward and best bet was to ask her dad to meet me. She was hesitant initially but I assumed Aisha was just nervous nothing else. If she would have told me that getting her father evolved could end the free life she enjoyed I would've eloped with her.

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It's not Desi people in general but Pakistanis, we seem to have the jahalat that is spread in the middle east and the arrogance that is rampant in Indian culture. We seem to have the worst of both worlds. I still don't judge, though knowing the person you loved is now being raped by her own cousin is something that ****s with my head.

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The backstabbing exists everywhere, but because our culture is more conservative, a bigger deal is made out of things.

You said that the last you "heard" was that she was married to her cousin. Are you 100% sure about the accuracy of this information?

In the post above, you talk about her being raped by her cousin. If she's accepted her marriage and has decided to reciprocate/make the relationship work.....then that would be an assumption on your part (especially if she's never complained to you about it).

Now, let's say that you know with absolute certainty (from talking with her) that she's miserable in her marriage and that despite her efforts things are not working out with her husband........would you consider talking to her about giving it another shot? If she wants to remain in her marriage...then of course, this wouldn't apply. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, I'm just curious.

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haww haye... u said 'daala'??

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No offense, but as romantic as eloping might sound, it would still come with negative consequences. As strict as her dad might be, such a step would really hurt her relationship with him and possibly with her siblings as well. I don't think that getting to know her brother and sister on Skype was such a bad idea. If things went well with you and her siblings....they could have even put in a good word for you to their (and Aisha's) father. Did you think about that? I think one knows their own family...family dynamics...better than another person...especially an outsider. If she wanted you meet them....her intuiton based upon her understanding of her family, i'm guessing, played a role in that request. I don't mean to be rude, but some of your views are lacking in reason.

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What's done is done. She's married, let's not dwell on what could've happened.

The only thing I'd say to you is don't give up on all Pakistanis. Yeah, we have our flaws and we have classic movie villain dads, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of good there as well.

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I think the pain is causing him to become cynical about all desis. I admit we can be pretty jacked up in some ways, but there is good as well.

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I know a few Pakistanis who 'self exiled' to Canada after being involved in massive corruption in Pakistan and never had to work for their life in Canada.

Should I generalize?

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Man that sucks. I would've gone Tony Soprano on her dad, not for marrying her off but for beating her and imprisoning her.

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I asked a Pakistani friend and my mother what the proper procedure is to get married, he said you should go directly to the father. My goal was to appear mature and thoughtful to the father but obviously that didn't go as planned.

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I don't think matching violence with violence is the right idea, I wish I could've gotten a few days to prove my case.