lou dobbs on illegal immigration 'broken borders'

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did anyone see that show, is it me or does the mexican and mexican americans just twist the issue completely

the idiot rosa who was sitting there, first of all someone needed to ask her to take that stupid hat off.

I mean what kinda retarded point was she making when she said..dont call them illegal aliens, they are humans theya re not from Mars. I mean hey, maybe the show needed to be done in spanish for her, but the rest of us who come to this country legally get alen registration card, as students we are non redicent aliens etc etc.

the point that mexicans are doing the jobs that ‘no one else wants’ is retarded also. I can bet cash that you offer the same opportunity to someone in africa or any other poor country and ppl would come and do that also.

then the point that they are contributing to the economy, sure…but that is not a reason to just make em all citizens.

Rest of the ppl have to go thru mdical tests, background tests, they have to wait their turn, interviews etc etc etc…H1 visa folks have to meet all their rules. Why should the mexicans be treated any differently, why should they be rewarded for breaking the law, but law abiding highly skilled workers have to follow the due process.

and the whne and cry of seperatign families bull****… oh if u deprt us, our american kid would be here, but we cant be here. WELL… u can make a choice to take the kid with you then right.

I am all for a work visa program for ppl as long as they go thru the same type of background checks and have to meet the same requirements that others do. This nonsense of automatic citizenship just does not add up.

and the whine of we are not breaking any laws, errrr well lets see, breaking the law to enter the country is one major law, using false info in many cases to get jobs is another one, working on cash only basis and thus not paying taxes is another one..

The pro-illegals are really dodging the issue at every discussion..

nicer sounded words are used undocumented-aliens instead of illegal-aliens, errrr abay you can call it anything but the fact stays, ppl who broke the law of teh nation to enter illegally, and are staying illegally…

sheesh

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guess there are no mexicans on this board :D

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Why not target the companies who hire the illegals with heavy fines rather than the $100.00 fine they currently get?

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see this is what i mean in the other thread on why there arent more active discussions on muslim on muslim violence.

watcha gonna talk about if everyones more or less on the same page.

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I agree 100%, target all companies employing illegal workers.

At the same time, immigration is not a right, countries have processes and procedures that one has to go through, when there is labor shortage, you can get workers from other countries. Look at middle east for example, the entire region is built on the efforts of foriegn workers, but they too had to follow a process, documentation, etc etc. Now some of these countries are way too tough on foriegn workers so we cant take their model and apply it 100% but we have to look at what is good and what is not.

I also do not agree with this citizenship at birth thing either. UK had to tackle this as well, and I believe the rule later became that the parents had to be permanent residents/citizens for the child to get a british citizenship at birth, otherwise the kid would have the nationality of his parents home country. Same was the case in all of middle east, and it should be the same here.. non resident aliens kids should not have US citizenships.

It happened in UK and it is happening here, ppl traveling on visit visas to go to the country and to have the kid be born there. Here the illegals do the same thing.

I frankly do not understand the argument of oh we will be separated from our children business

1) you chose to break the law and enter the country illegally
2) you decided to have a kid, and yes by the local laws the kid has a US citizenship
3) you may be caught and deported because ‘you’ came in illegally

I mean you are free to take the kid with you. The kid can come back to US anytime he or she wishes, after all the kid is a citizen, but you are not. You created the problem, and now you have to deal with it.

I am also very concerned about the elected representatives of Hispanic background, even if they were born and raised in US, they seem to favour illegals to a degree of fault.

What is the issue if they have to apply for some kind of amnesty, have health, background checks, provide full information on who they are where they are living, notify immigration when they move, get temporary workers visa which can be renewed, and then if there are possibilities of temporary workers getting permanent resident status after a number of years and after additional due diligence, then so be it.

What is wrong with this approach?

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maybe ppl are not on the same page

You know what is funny, desis jumping up and down and joining in this whole illegal debate thingie. Hoping that whatever moves are made to give some sort of status to the illegal Mexicans would be beneficial to the illegal desis as well.

Some groups have made this a human rights issue, o bhai, how is it a human rights issue. A comprehensive solution would not only have a good process in place for US to get the workers it needs, and the process protects workers from abuse by giving them legal status so they can get fair wages and not work for pennies on farms or in factories etc.

I do recall tons of hoopla among Pakistanis when Uk started tightening its laws as well

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maybe. shouldnt have distracted your thread, apologies.

Aadaab Arz Hai ;)
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I agree with you Fraudia other than being worried about representatives of Hispanic background, voters will weed out those who go against what the people want. Politics clogging up the pipeline of good policy per usual.

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utd, it just seems that these political pundits are actually putting the illegals interests ahead of what is good for america. There are ways as I noted to ensure that both interests are met. I dont know maybe they are pandering to their support base of hispanics and sayign what they base would like to hear as it has turned into a quasi-race issue rather than a border security, employment law, social services, issue that it really is

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the real problem is that people will want to discuss all of this without seeing the truth for what it is.

No matter how hard you try Fraudia, you'll HAVE to entertain the truths that drive these issues.. the One World establishment aiming to make one big block North American Union out of Mexico, USA and Canada..

It's here when people usually tune out and start accusing the one's making these points as 'nutjobs' or 'conspiracy theorists' or 'tin foil' etc.. But the truth is you will see it happen and all these specials are for entertainment and keeping the masses involved in the left-right wing debate on immigration.

Fact is BOTH Parties allow Illegal immigrationa and will continue to allow it.. It's not ending. It's intentional.. It's gonna happen more and we can do nothing about it because we refuse to acknowledge what's happening. It's too scary to admit and accept. Better to tackle it as just an 'Illegal immigration' issue.

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Lou Dobbs is a racist pig disguised under American nationalism. He should eat more tacos and salsa. And I am not a mexican nor do I work for Taco Bell.

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PA elaborate please :)

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I dont think anything Lou said was racist. i find him to be one of the most sane ppl on TV

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The powers that run this country love illegal immigration even though they tell their base they are against it. It's just like illegal drugs - when there is demand (in this case for cheap labor), you are not going to stop the supply very easily. With Mexicans, businesses don't even have to advertise job openings, there isn't much cost involved - Mexicans just make the short trip across the border. If Asians or Africans could as easily make the trip here to provide cheap labor I'm sure they'd go for that.

I agree, they shouldn't automatically be granted citizenship and those in power who advocate it are crazy. It would mean their labor wouldn't be so cheap anymore if the illegals received the same rights, minimum wage, payroll taxes, etc as citizens.

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seminole, but if pp have a temporary worker program, they would still be eligiblefor the same minimum wage and all.

this is the difference as I see it

Citizen- all rights and benefits of uSA

Immigrant/permanent resident- all minus voting, govt assistance if you are in trouble overseas, i think

temporary workers- all that the permanent resident has minus ability to stay long term, ability to convert from current status to citizenship after a certain number of years has passed. what else..

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I think the type of issues we are trying to avoud by having a mimimum wage, they would nto go away if there is a second class of workers who is not eligible for that, or the benefits like health, it would result in mor eof what is happening, ghettoisation of the group, abuse of facilities like ER, and abuse of these ppl but employers

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America was build on illegal immigration.

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how so?

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First the black, than Irish, Italian and Chinese. They all came illegally settled and than build America, a great place.

Moreover, I think the current Immigration laws promote slavery. It is better people break them because I doubt politicians will ever reform them in a sense to help America.

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a few points
1- with blacks it was more of a slavery thing so they had no choice and would rather nto have been here anyways
#2- Irish and Italians..vast majority went thru legal means, ya know that lil island in NY where ppl arriving to these shores provided all their info

How do they ‘promote’ slavery? I think slavery of sorts is promoted when you have illegals working for some dude for peanuts and under horrid conditions and under constant threat of deportation, or being fired at the whim of the employer. so when ppl break the law to enter and thus become illegal, they are putting themselves into that situation. Had they not broken the law and entered legally they would not have been in those situations.

so yes the immigration law needs to be revamped, but the quasi-slavery is more from ppl breaking the law than following it.