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It could be questions we have…that are answerable…or just things that don’t make sense at all.
Start with:
-Black magic, Evil eye–why is it all hearsay..nothing documented or repeatable or testable…or really even observable? how do people so adamantly believe in it then.
Disclaimer: intent is not to offend…*
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Start with:
-Black magic, Evil eye--why is it all hearsay..nothing documented or repeatable or testable...or really even observable? how do people so adamantly believe in it then.
* Disclaimer: intent is not to offend...*
Its like evolution. Pure faith.
Next question please.
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I really don't want to go in circles and I'd appreciate it if you don't troll in here.
some people are actually looking for answers. and if you want answers to your questions on evolution...open a new thread
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Start with:
-Black magic, Evil eye--why is it all hearsay..nothing documented or repeatable or testable...or really even observable? how do people so adamantly believe in it then.
* Disclaimer: intent is not to offend...*
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Nothing observable.
Only thing you could do is... test it on people in controlled environment.
I dont think its been done.
Next question .. ?
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Some from my side. I am sure, they are not loopholes but just some things I could never understand.
God created human beings so that they could worship him.
Really? And what does he achieve? Satisfaction? Does he have feelings?
If religion is a reality why do we have so many of them. Real things are undeniable. For example, gravity is real. Everyone on this earth can test it and come to the same conclusion. If religion was real, why isn't crystal clear like that?
Life is a test from God. People passing the test will go to heaven, others to hell. God loves us 60 times more than our mothers do.
Really? My mother would never send me to a place where I will burn till eternity. No matter what I do. She is selfless and forgiving. She will not knowingly amputate her children just to test them.
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but it could be done 
read the same mantar on a sample and observe effects
or stare at a sample the same way and observe the effects or curse them all the same
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Some from my side. I am sure, they are not loopholes but just some things I could never understand.
God created human beings so that they could worship him. Really? And what does he achieve? Satisfaction? Does he have feelings?
If religion is a reality why do we have so many of them. Real things are undeniable. For example, gravity is real. Everyone on this earth can test it and come to the same conclusion. If religion was real, why isn't crystal clear like that?
Life is a test from God. People passing the test will go to heaven, others to hell. God loves us 60 times more than our mothers do. Really? My mother would never send me to a place where I will burn till eternity. No matter what I do. She is selfless and forgiving. She will not knowingly amputate her children just to test them.
so much to say on all of this but,
-how do you measure love and then multiply it by 60
So if we follow the moon to decide when ramadan is and our calendar year...and ramadan starts on different days for people in diff locations...and hence laila tul qadr falls on different days...when exactly is any of this happening? it happens multiple times based on locations?!
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1-supposed, out come is not predictable so I dont know if some would want to participate.
2- from mantar you reminded me some thing .. some one gave my brother 8 words… *sikh mantar..
*my brother use to say those words.. rub a needle against his lips… then insert in his skin on his thigh… no pain!!!
I swear I am not lying… When my other older brother found out.. they made him say those words.. last 4 of 8 words were worship words of … indian origin… so my other older brothers made this older brother say kalma again
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Some from my side. I am sure, they are not loopholes but just some things I could never understand.
a-Where did you get word satisfaction from?
b- birds, trees, stars every thing is worhiping Allah... are they doing* wazu and saying *tasbeeh ?? NO.
They follow what they are made to do... only thing which could NOT do what it was made to do was human...
So we came with manual... lion bear... see dont need manual... because they did not take up the task of "choosing"
Human did... so...
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Some people made religion... some came from God... God update religion as humanity grew.. some people CHOSE not follow.. updated versions... see how option of choosing(will) come into play... if we were like other creatures... we would go to sleep at night.. next morning we be all new religion.. but.. again we were giving option of choice...
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Every time A surah starts.. it says * rahman raheem*... origing of rehman and raheem could not translated into engish properly... its rahem... the womb.... so how we are protected and nourished in the womb...
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Experience. Just because we are unable to see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Even if you could somehow document the existence of evil eye and Black magic, people will not believe and you will lose all credibility of your claim. That's just how it works. It is extremely difficult to make someone see the unseen. Yet we are programmed to believe in the unseen as long as others believe it too.
I have experienced things I would never believe existed before. So I am not sure anymore whether or not we are ALL meant to have the same experience.
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Some from my side. I am sure, they are not loopholes but just some things I could never understand.
God created human beings so that they could worship him. Really? And what does he achieve? Satisfaction? Does he have feelings?
If religion is a reality why do we have so many of them. Real things are undeniable. For example, gravity is real. Everyone on this earth can test it and come to the same conclusion. If religion was real, why isn't crystal clear like that?
Life is a test from God. People passing the test will go to heaven, others to hell. God loves us 60 times more than our mothers do. Really? My mother would never send me to a place where I will burn till eternity. No matter what I do. She is selfless and forgiving. She will not knowingly amputate her children just to test them.
sometimes simple and straightforward is scary and hard to swallow for the man that needs hope.
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Religion is based on 'faith', it is sort of an emotion/feeling. Not sure how it can be 'analyzed' in scientific terms.
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sometimes simple and straightforward is scary and hard to swallow for the man that needs hope.
I think islamic belief to its core needs constant struggle to keep up with, its pretty refined. What resonates with people real well is tengable God or belief.
Now I have no idea why people have a NEED to believe.
Also "non believers" are actually believe is some thing as well. Funny funny part is the tool we humans are given is the same its "believing"
I believe in God.
I believe in NO God...
So that sort of information comes in human mind and stick in human mind though the same tool. "Believing"
All I can say is most work need to be done when you believe in islam.
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you also think evolution is faith. ergo..
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no Queer.. I am saying way we perceive some thing hold on to it.. I think as a greater guide for life...is called believe.
"believers" us it to keep them focused on God.
"non believers" us it to keep them away from God.
It surprises me when I see some anti religious talk.. or Dawkin answering quesion..
I swear to God... you hear typical believer's laugh... laugh with sense of relief...
Like "thank XYZ we are on right path" laugh..
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is the laugh before or after the riot?
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When they are hanging in uncertainty... and finialy some one they "believe " in says "its ok not to believe" laugh.
We are very funny little creatures.. who are only different because of our cumulative learning and power of choice.
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Laugh when they are hanging in uncertainty... and finial y some one the "believe " in says it ok not to believe laugh.
We are very funny little creatures.. who are only different because of our cumulative learning and power of choice.
Your wisdom has no match, Sir Monk.
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cheer chaar na karo ji
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Experience. Just because we are unable to see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Even if you could somehow document the existence of evil eye and Black magic, people will not believe and you will lose all credibility of your claim. That's just how it works. It is extremely difficult to make someone see the unseen. Yet we are programmed to believe in the unseen as long as others believe it too.
I have experienced things I would never believe existed before. So I am not sure anymore whether or not we are ALL meant to have the same experience.
very good answer. experience.
but doesn't this just sound way too complicated for no reason? all a concoction of our minds? for me it's this way and for you it's that way and it still exists...but only sometimes :S