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Hello and assalamualikum,
I am an American woman 25 yrs old and am thinking about marrying a Pakistani man I met here in the states. We have been struggling for his family’s acceptance of me, and our families just met a few days ago. I have gained their acceptance on the terms that I move to Pakistan. His family is very prominent and well-to-do. Of course, now my family is freaking out-but I want to make a well-formed decision. I understand the risks his family is taking for me, and I understand risks I will be taking for them. I do not want to move there and not be able to adjust properly, and in turn make him and his family miserable and regret any decisions. I will probably come to visit soon, but in the meantime I am hoping if anyone might be able to offer suggestions, advice, tips, anything. I converted to Islam 6 months ago (on my own accord), and accept Pakistani way of life. Is it really still dangerous for an American in the areas of Peshawar and/or Islamabad? I am very aware that I will have rude comments, stares and scrutiny there, but is it actually dangerous or not? Thank you for any help you may be able to offer,

Allah Hafiz,
Miranda

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Islamabad has plenty of westerners, so that would not be an issue.

I don't know enough about Peshawar to say for certain, but initially I would say that you should be safe there too especially since you're Muslim. There are many westerners living throughout Pakistan and the only two cases of violence against them in the past several decades was Daniel Pearl and the French bus bombing - both happening within a single year in 2001/2002

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hmm
depends on the real intention of ur bf
if he is open-minded and doenst hv a problem with the way u liv then u shud b fine
and ur a muslim so u shouldnt hvv that many problems
but it also depends on how the whole family of the guy is /the kind of lifestyle they hv

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Have you met his family? If they want you to move in with them, then expect to be seeing a lot of them in your face all the time. Pakistani "joint families" are often a strange experience if you're raised in the West.

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Yes, I have met his parents. They do hope we will live with them, as he is the eldest son, but they are in Peshawar. They also have a house in Islamabad, and Aamer (my potential husband) thinks he may prefer to live there, anyhow. I, however would prefer to live in the joint-family style at least for the beginning. I am so afraid of being alone in a house all day too afraid to go out alone (which as a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes I know that's not a good idea at all). His father is a very well recognized doctor, and his family is quite wealthy, also. Therefore, I know I will be well taken care of.

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Does anyone know any Americans/Europeans living in that area? If so, are they happy? Have they raised their children there?

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Do you personally want to move to Pakistan?

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Miranda,

I was in your position 15 years ago, excepting that my husband and planned to live in the US or Canada. I am an American married into an upper middle class military family, and I also converted several years before marriage - not that it made any difference to anyone.

Islamabad is a very safe place - if I was going to live in Pakistan that is where I would reside. There are many foreigners there, and even a foreign wives club- PM me if you would like more information about it.

That said - how well do you know his parents? Will you be living in a joint family? If so - you are definitely in for some interesting times. There will be people who will gossip about you and try to cause problems between you and your husband for fun. Even if your in-laws are supportive, there will occasionally be huge cultural misunderstandings that will cause all hell to break loose, usually around the birth of your children, or other major family events. No matter how "Pakistani" you become, you will always be an outsider to many in the family.

Is your husband a religious man? In my experience, and I have many friends who are also in mixed-marriages with Pakistani men, the marriages work best when the husband is religious. He knows what everyone's rights are, and is less prepared to deny his wife's rights because his parents say so. When we were first married my mother in law told me that I have to request her permission even to call my parents, (we didn't even live in the same country), and that it was my religious duty. Don't get me started on the bizarre requests I've had since then, all in the name of religion. If you are used to attending prayers at the masjid, you can forget it once you get to Pakistan, as most women do not have the opportunity to go to the masjid, except to Shah Faisal, and that is primarily as a tourist attraction.

That said - make sure that you are well prepared if you decide to move, and that you have an "out" if you need one. If there are any conditions that you have prior to moving, such as having your own home, or the right of divorce, make sure that they are written into your nikkah contract. Also, if you agree that you will fly back to the States every year or whatever, I would put that in writing as well. I don't mean to sound negative, these marriages can be wonderful, or they can be horrible, best is to go into it knowing what to expect and then have a positive attitude through it all - and a great sense of humor helps as well :)

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There are many foreign wives living there. My best friend lived there for a few years till her husband opted to move back to the states. You can be happy anywhere, depending on what your expectations are and if you are willing to compromise.

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You should be perfectly safe in Islamabad, don't worry about being a blonde. People stare, but it isn't dangerous. You shouldn't go out alone anywhere in Pakistan, it isn't really safe for a woman, but if you do, Islamabad is your best bet.

You should understand that once you go into a joint family, it's really difficult to move out, so make sure that you understand everything that comes with it.

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To tell the truth I don't know what I want. I don't like the way things are here in the states, that's for sure. I know my life will end up meaningless and focus on work, work, work. Then, my kids will be exposed to open homosexuality, divorce, selfishness and family who only care to see them on holidays. I'm a very open person and want more than anything to truely be a part of a close family. And at that one who doesn't constantly tell me I'm going to hell because I don't believe Jesus is the son of God. However, I don't know what to expect if I go there. If I go I know it's for life. When I think about being an 80 year old woman sitting in Peshawar it freaks me out a bit. I also love having the freedom to go to the store when I need to and not have to rely on anybody else to take me. I know I will have to make big sacrifices. I cannot live my life without Aamer, but I am afraid I will ruin his family's reputation if I go.

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If you are used to attending prayers at the masjid, you can forget it once you get to Pakistan, as most women do not have the opportunity to go to the masjid, except to Shah Faisal, and that is primarily as a tourist attraction.

why is this? And yes, he is religious.

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Well have you talked to aamer about some of the issues on your mind or had a heartfelt chat with his parents and have they shown to be supportive?

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^ Because for some reason many people believe that women have no right to be in masjid. My cousins have told me that they’re not allowed to go and its not a right or anything. :rolleyes:

M, you said you are afraid fo ruining his family’s reputation. First of all, right now your’e still an outsider (since ure not married yet). If anyoen’s gonn abe “ruining” the familys reputation, its him [since it’s his family].. but since u said he’s religious, i doubt that’s the case.

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Yes, Aamer is very well aware of my fears. He shares in his fers for me, and is an incredibly supportive man. This past weekend I had a chat with his parents and was moved by how kind and supportive they were. They answered my questions and calmed my fears regarding being a part of their family. My biggest fears now are society and daily life. I don't know if I can handle having to go to a wedding/funeral/social event EVERYDAY for the rest of my life!!!! Especially knowing I would go and people would just critisize me behind my back. Won't I look like a fool???

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^ Darling that's Pakistan, they act very sweet to your face and behind ure back will not think twice abut ripping you apart. You just get used to it, be very very very very careful of who you trust. And i doubt you'll be goign to a social event EVERY DAY :)

As for daily life, it was very difficult for me to lose my independence * :( .. but it just takes getting usedto :(*

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if your future husband's family, atleast his immediate family has accepted you, there should be no real problems in the household. there will be some restrictions. for example, you can't really go to the corner store to get something. you would probably have to send over some kid or a servant or something. on the other hand, there is nothing wrong with going to go grocery shopping, or going to go clothes shopping or watever.

Most of the time, as far as i know, people don't have a problem with foreigners. as long as you are accepted by the family, it really doesn't matter what the others thing. and neither should you. and since you might be going to peshawar, and since you are blue eyed, you shouldn't be an anomaly. there are a lot of blondies and light colored people the farther up north you go.

as for the masjid, i really don't know why women aren't much at the masjids. but they do go to them. my friend's mom used to pray trahweehs at Badshahi masjid i think. And i think women do go to attend prayers at Shah Faisal. But most likely it is the juma, or the eid prayers. There really shouldn't be a problem, as long as you take some other woman along with you, with another male. Once you keep doing that, i'm sure the regulars at the masjid would get used to having you around.

it's going to be hard, but it will be a real adventure as well. both sides have to try though.

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I don't understand the issue of not being able to attend the masjid. Why would anyone believe a woman has no right to go? That seems a very un-islamic thing to do!

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i duno then again my relatives are kinda paindu :(

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it's got nothing to with islam, it's all got to with culture.