A question :
Lets assume Osama may have died naturaly some time ago. Because he had failed kindneys and needed dailysis regularly.
Q. Was/is it in national/strategic interest of USA to announce/accept his low profile death ?.
If Osama dies today, how much it will affect future plan regarding War on Terror ? US needs Osama badly. Untill someone takes his place, till then he must be alive, and we all know US wont take chances on these important matters 
Re: Long live OBL ?
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**Untill someone takes his place....*
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oh don't worry. i think there will always be some"one" around to take his place. If OBL passe(d)/(s) away, we've always got "al Qaeda" (an amorphous entity that apparently is multiplying around the world); we've got the media's favourite darling words: "Islamic terrorists", "remants" of the Taleban in Afghanistan. Basically, the spin put on it will be that there is still radicalism and militancy around hence the supposed need for continued US presence in the oil-rich regions. With or without OBL, we will be informed paternalistically, there will always be people who "hate" and are "jealous" of our freedoms/liberty/peace blah blah blah. Hence the need to kill em all.
Too bad, i only wish there had been a real OBL in the poorest, non-oil rich parts of Africa. Least that way, Africa would have had some international attention diverted towards it.
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Least that way, Africa would have had some international attention diverted towards it.
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Afganistan, still is the poorest country of the world, despite world giving so much attention to it, despite US and Britain claiming that 'we wont leave them in the middle'.
What I think Love-need relationship that is between Isreal and Yasir Arafaat, Same is the relationship between USA and OBL.
I think America is aware of this problem and they should be working on it. For OBL, AL- Zawari will take his place as now most of the videos and messages are from him (supposidly)
al-sadr is already there....
Al-Zwahiri too
And also, their favourite bogeyman in Iraq, Al-Zurqani or something like that.
Dubya's goons probably have dozens of Al-somethingortheother lined up as backups, in case they need to keep on justify their actions....
What about AQ or Pakistan.
reason, they will come up with something.
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Afganistan, still is the poorest country of the world, despite world giving so much attention to it, despite US and Britain claiming that 'we wont leave them in the middle'.
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its off the topic but Afgahnistan have more strategic importance in that region, there its much easier for allies to keep tabs on four nuclear states!
now back to the topic
It never was a big deal for allies to get rid of OBL, I can bet just month before election they WILL get him. and for the next term, there are always new "threats" to be dealt with.
Is it really "spin" that radicalism and militancy exists around the Muslim world today? Does the US really make all this up? Does the lack of education, systematic indoctrination of youths by madrassahs, the prevailing attitude of Muslim superiority, poverty, opressive rule, disatisfaction with their position in the world today and the lack of reform and the literal interpretation of 1400 year-old texts have nothing to do with Islamic militancy? While the US should not take such a militant response to radicalism, we can't pretend it doesn't exist and the US is making it all up.
Semi, this denial mindset is the main reason for the the propagation of islamic radicalism. The fruits are there to see from philippines to the us and every place in between.
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
Dubya's goons probably have dozens of Al-somethingortheother lined up as backups, in case they need to keep on justify their actions....
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yeah after dealing with Al Gore, he dislikes anyone with "Al" in their name.
and now to others...
but seriously..whether or not you like the approach US has taken against the extremists..is it not true that they are a menace to all of us? that they do exist? we have seen the effects of their narrow mindset and militancy in the sectarian violence in Pakistan.
just because one can argue that US has not had the best approach, it does not change the fact that there is a problem, which needs to be fixed.
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Is it really "spin" that radicalism and militancy exists around the Muslim world today? **Does the US really make all this up*
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No !
This is all raw material. US is only using them to make finished product. And to make world aware of this fine production, they need advertisment. Media is just making this product more popular.
*The dog is mad. He can bite you. He can bite your children. You all can get rabbies. We are going to kill that dog and save you. *
read/listen to that ^^ statement with picture of dog, 100 times a day for few months. You will start thinking that all dogs are mad. They can bite you.
Code-Red the dogs have been biting. Go ask the people killed in Spain, SA, Pakistan. Those who have died by the bombings are real, this denial and shock that these attacks could be carried out by Muslims is baffling. Do you listen to what they are saying and what they are writing about? Sticking your head in the sand and pretending there is no problem only perpetuates the problem.
i have read a detailed interview of osama conducted by some cnn reporter/journalist, osama actually was asked a ? on his kidney’s and how he has to go through the process of dialysis and if he was to die wat would happen to al-qaeda. he replied that death every soul must taste and al-qaeda has senior commander’s more than able to fulfill his kursi until his youngest son is fully groomed to take over, that son of his was 8 at the time and he was sitting beside osama, he actually spoke in arabic and said “if amreeka hurts my dad, he’ll personally deal with them” 
Re: Long live OBL ?
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*Originally posted by Code_Red: *
If Osama dies today, how much it will affect future plan regarding War on Terror ? US needs Osama badly. Untill someone takes his place, till then he must be alive, and we all know US wont take chances on these important matters :)
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Bhai, what has this got to do with Religion forum? Thus moved to WA forum.
Gona ask a question.
Probobly nieve and might sound stupid.
Going to anyway.
What if?
What if Middle East peace process could work like an athletic match?
The process must have rules of conduct agreed and followed by both teams.
There are penalties for hook-shots, grabbing, clipping.. etc.
Each team might have an umpire they like.
Each teams umpire must follow the rules of the game.
If there is a controversy..
Each teams umpire must view the playback.
Final to be determined by the Boss Umpire......
who was one Umpire mutually agreed to by each team.
Oh I guess it was all my imagination. The suicide boming in a shia mosque was just a random event thought up by some pakistani kids.
I think not. These events are all be planned by evil people, ordinary people are not this blood thirsty. Keep deluding yourself people and pretend that no osama type people exist.
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Oh I guess it was all my imagination. The suicide boming in a shia mosque was just a random event thought up by some pakistani kids.
I think not. These events are all be planned by evil people, ordinary people are not this blood thirsty. Keep deluding yourself people and pretend that no osama type people exist.
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Imdad Ali,
What percentage of people in the world do you think are Osama-Like?
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Imdad Ali,
What percentage of people in the world do you think are Osama-Like?
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8.5% and increasing @ a growth rate of 2.7% per year. :p
Most of these ppl are not capable of thinking rationally. Most of them are brainwashed and blind followers.
Thing dont change much. I mean there were Germen Nazi 60 years ago they were far more fanatic and cruel killing machines. Most of them too were brainwashed and blind followers.
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8.5% and increasing @ a growth rate of 2.7% per year. :p
Most of these ppl are not capable of thinking rationally. Most of them are brainwashed and blind followers.
Thing dont change much. I mean there were Germen Nazi 60 years ago they were far more fanatic and cruel killing machines. Most of them too were brainwashed and blind followers.
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Are you with this minority of people? Or opposed?
Any solutions on how to stop the need these people must have that leads them to blindly follow?
What ideas do you have?
Re: Long live OBL ?
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Originally posted by Code_Red: *
**A question :*
Lets assume Osama may have died naturaly some time ago. Because he had failed kindneys and needed dailysis regularly.
Q. Was/is it in national/strategic interest of USA to announce/accept his low profile death ?.
If Osama dies today, how much it will affect future plan regarding War on Terror ? US needs Osama badly. Untill someone takes his place, till then he must be alive, and we all know US wont take chances on these important matters :)
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CODE RED dear..... Assume karnay ki zaroorat naheN hay ...
I heard and Looked on TV... President Musharaf the Chief of Army.... Gave the statemtent...
" Osama have died naturaly some time ago. Because he had failed kindneys and needed dailysis regularly. "
COAS cannot give a Fake Statment if He is not sure.. while he have Mass Destrction weapon like ISI in his Belt :)
Its Just US who is trying to Cash OBL name... for thier interest..
NO one had ever thought at the Time of Firoon ( Ramisis ) that.. He will be vanished from the Face of Earth in a glimpse of eye... BUT it happend...
US will be... DOWON SOON.. Inshallah :)