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Yes you're right!
The mosque not far from where I live was almost attacked and a few members (who live there) came out and shooed some youths away. Then there were suddenly 100's of Muslims guarding the mosque all through the night.
Apparently they phoned for the Police endlessly but noone came.
was this Peckham Masjid?
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^^ I think iyla is talking about Barking masjid. There was disturbance on Ripple Road yesterday and some Muslim community members were out to protect Barking mosque.
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Hareem this is what is expected from teenagers who are bored and have nothing better to do, they have no sense of community because they haven't been brought up in a community that cares. Majority of these kids have gone through severe deprivation they don't care about their future they live for today. shooting them in the leg/head wont prove anything apart from causing more violence. However, I believe that if these teenagers were educated and had a future to work towards then their thinking would change. Imagine what the situation will be in another few years when we have ten's of thousands of uneducated, unemployed bored teenagers sitting at home. The thought is scary and if London continues in the way it is it's gonna be a scary place to live.
True said. Britain's education system is messed up too, like we have junk food for lower class people we also have junk or raw education for working class kids...I never liked living here in UK, it's too expensive and very few people can actually enjoy life in its true meanings.
They have free schools but most of them are worse than prisons.
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The first fatality has been announced on the news.
A 26 year old man was shot in croydon.
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^ Peace hareem01
That's it ... holidays have started the prisons are closed and the prisoners are out ....
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Theres what 300 of these yobs going around? how many of there is us? We should rally up against these buggers.
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The Police aren't doing anything.
In north east London Turkish shopkeepers and families fought back against the thugs preventing them from looting and detrosying their area - is that what it will come down to b/c the Police won't help us? Will we have to start defending ourselves?
Apparently the Asians on Green street (East London) prevented from rioters attacking their shops and succeeded!
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I dont understand why these people dont see themselves as part of a community, they are destroying their own communities. Its sickening.
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Thanks for confirming Xeno.
Its quite amazing to see the amount of black (and some white) youths in the Lewisham/Peckham/Brixton area who have had the same troubled upbringings as their peers but instead of turning to violence they who have found comfort in Islam (Alhamdulillah). In Fact My cousin is a police officer in Brixton and he says majority of the officers are Black Muslims.
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Apparently the Asians on Green street (East London) prevented from rioters attacking their shops and succeeded!
ah well... there goes my chances of buying a knocked off Eid outfit this year.
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i feel embarrassed for this country right now.
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CE ^ Just a get a free one on tonights raids ... I'm sorry bad joke!
But I can't imagine the youth stealing desi kapre - thinking they make a buck from selling them to some baji or auntie ...
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Asian and Turk shopkeepers are doing good. 
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525 people arrested till now - and a 26 year old man shot in croydon last night has died according to sky news!
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Lol at Zeno, Call Me Dave!There was unrest in my home city last night, some prats tried to get into JD Sports which says it all.My cousin said "they can't blame it on the muslims, we were all in tharavee" lol.I agree that these are youths who have not had the best start in life but they are old enough to know better frankly.
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The problem is that these looters would have got hold of all sorts of goods and sold it for cheap.....but then this could happen.
On top of that some areas will be considered troubled zones so there could be less investment in some areas.
1333: A partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers says the financial impact of the riots on insurers will be small.
"There may be some specific increases in premium for the worst affected areas but, for customers nationwide, there is also too much competition for these events to have a significant impact," Mohammad Khan says.
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Can we label them as terrorists ?
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After three nights of rioting in London and outbreaks in other English cities, what methods could the police use to prevent further disorder?
Questions have been asked over whether enough was done to stop looting, arson and violence during the current disturbances.
Home Secretary Theresa May was asked whether she would consider allowing the use of water cannons, the introduction of curfews or troops being brought in to control the disorder.
She said that unlike other countries, British policing traditionally did not rely on such methods. But she said “in these circumstances” she would listen to what the police felt they needed to do the job.
As the disorder spreads to Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol, what tactics could the police employ to stamp it out?
Water cannon which shoot a high-pressure stream of water against rioters are used in Northern Ireland as well as France, Germany and other European counties.
**Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, a former army officer, called for the police to be allowed to use water cannon, saying he had used such technology and found it “extremely effective”.
**Dr Peter Shirlow, a human geographer and public order expert at Queen’s University Belfast, agrees that such kit can be a very useful way of containing rioters by directing them into a specific area.
But he warns that, because it has never been used in Great Britain before, the authorities would risk **“sending out a message that we have lost control” and inflaming tensions “in a country that has never been comfortable with the idea of militarisation”.
**Additionally, Peter Waddington, professor of social policy at University of Wolverhampton, who has studied policing and public order for 30 years, says getting hold of them at such short notice could be problematic.
“You don’t magic water cannon out of nowhere,” he adds. “There are six in Northern Ireland, but this is the marching season. I’m not sure the police there would be too keen to send them across.”
**Weapons such as baton rounds - colloquially known as plastic or rubber bullets - have been deployed in Northern Ireland to disperse crowds and are intended as a non-lethal alternative, although they have been the cause of a number of deaths.
“Baton rounds are one of the least lethal weapons available anywhere and rest of the world uses them freely,” says Prof Waddington.
**“But, symbolically, to have water cannons on the streets and baton rounds looks like the end of the world.”
Dr Shirlow says they can be a useful mechanism for getting rioters to scatter, at least temporarily, which gives authorities time to regroup.
But he warns that their potentially lethal character means the police would “risk losing the moral high ground” by deploying them.
When a police officer arrests someone they then have a process to follow - under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act - that includes taking the individual to a police station, where among other things, the custody sergeant must be convinced that the arrest is justified.
Prof Waddington suggests that one option for the government would be to suspend elements of the act in order to free up officers and get them back on the streets.
“They deter officers [from making arrests] as you have to leave your colleagues fighting the battle when you know that the offences that they’re likely to be charged with are relatively minor. You’ll spend hours out of operation.”
But Prof Waddington concedes that the government would be reluctant to make such a move as it would indicate “a serious state of emergency”.
**Hackney MP Diane Abbot has called for a curfew to be imposed “regain control of the streets” in affected areas.
She said: “What we can’t have is increasing numbers of young people coming out to loot night after night.”
**However, Dr Shirlow warns that enforcing such a night-time ban on people leaving their homes would be hugely labour intensive at a time when resources are already scarce.
Additionally, he says, it would divert resources from where they are needed most - that is, tackling the disorder.
Dr Shirlow adds: “If you already have a stretched police force, how are you going to maintain a curfew?”
Following serious looting and arson in the borough, Croydon council leader Mike Fisher called for the Army to be brought in.
“We need additional resources and that can be police if possible but if not then we should be looking at deployment of the Army and other military,” he argued.
Dr Shirlow says that British army personnel would have experience of dealing with riot situations from their tours of places like Northern Ireland and Iraq. “In other countries they’d be deployed in the blink of an eye,” he adds.
**But, again, he cautions that “symbolically in Britain people have never been comfortable with the idea of militarised force on the streets” **and no UK prime minister would want to be remembered as the one who broke this decades-long tradition.
And he warns that, operationally, there could be a culture clash between police officers used dealing with civil unrest and armed forces trained for military combat.
Additionally, Prof Waddington says there would be further logistical headaches: “What are you going to equip them with? If not carrying firearms, what would they have?”
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These riots happened in 1985 which is why my father shifted all of us to Canada. Underlying factors were not resolved from that time and it has exploded all over again.
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mehnaz did you live in london?