next time come up with something proper for God's sake
Not every one can afford a hotel - A night in a hotel like Avari towers / PC could easily cost you upto 195 to 250 USD easily - forget Penthouse suites - they start from 700$ per night ... (completely irrelavent, WHO in the world is talking about penthouse, one ONE side you are saying people cant afford while for the same argument you are quoting penthouse suites, i mean seriously)
You are asking them to stay in a hotel for first few nights - let us say they get a good deal for a week in 750 $ all taxes included - Now in Pakistani currency it would be around 67,000 approx ... (completely irrelevant)
Even in this time and era - one can pitch a valima dinner for 150 to 200 guests with a decent menu in 60,000 to 70,000 .... (completely irrelevant, nothing to do with getting a hotel room i.e. topic)
so darling - start living in the real world - no every one , who uses internet from Pakistan is a millionaire . :) - (extra un-necessary comment even 195$ usd translates to 16-17k pakistani rupees far far far from millions and millionaires)
Walima is required to be celebrated 1-2 days after the consummation of marriage
without it the Walima is considered haram/void
dont ask for reference - google it yourself
if u don't do it....walima haraam hota hai (so i heard)..........walima is celebration for consummation aka the 'act'..
What I dont understand is, why are you feeling obligated to have sex yet you can't even change in front of him or bring these issues up yourself to him? Why on earth would you want to have sex w/ someone you aren't even that close with?! It's not compulsory to have sex the first night, is it? I dont know, I dont understand how some couples can do this yet feel too shy to bring up REAL issues. IMO, get to know him first before you guys do it.
when people thoughts get derailed due to the confusion in their head and lack of the ability to reply back then they point out trivial things that actually have no significance - just like what you are doing
Learn how to quote and unquote your replies first - Then come talking - you galoot !
Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that he was a boy of ten when the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) migrated to Madina. (He added): “My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regularly, thus I served him for ten years. When the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) passed away, I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Hijab more than anyone else, when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh (Allah be pleased with her). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in the morning was a bridegroom, and he invited the people to a banquet. So they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for a long time….. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4871)
Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) consummated his marriage with a woman (Zainab), so he sent me to invite people for a meal.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4875)
The great Hadith master (hafidh), Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) states:
“The Hadith of Anas (quoted above) is clear in determining that Walima is considered to be after the consummation of marriage.” (Fath al-Bari, 9/199. Also see: I’la al-Sunan, vol. 10, p. 11)
CONSUMMATION OF MARRIAGE. The first time that the husband and wife cohabit together, after the ceremony of marriage has been performed, is thus called.
2. The marriage, when otherwise legal, is complete without this; for it is a maxim of law, borrowed from the civil, law, that consensus, non concubitus, facit nuptias. Co. Litt. 33; Dig. 50, 17, 30; 1 Black. Com. 434.
Ironic isn't it ... The prove your point first you quoted something from an Islamic website - and now for the definition of an islamic act , you are providing me a different ball game ..
Valima is not a core requirement of a nikkah - it is a sunnah ... Not having a Valima doesnt make your marriage invalid .... Read about Mushtaq Ahmed ( Former Pakistani cricketer , who is having his valima after 17 years of marriage ) ...
''So I have heard ''- O yea that's quite an argument :)
i am not arguing......... i made a statement....... if u don't like it........ take this :)
also i said it makes valima wrong...not nikaah...
Ironic isn't it ... The prove your point first you quoted something from an Islamic website - and now for the definition of an islamic act , you are providing me a different ball game ..
Valima is not a core requirement of a nikkah - it is a sunnah ... Not having a Valima doesnt make your marriage invalid .... Read about Mushtaq Ahmed ( Former Pakistani cricketer , who is having his valima after 17 years of marriage ) ...
and Mushtaq Ahmad is some religious authority?? :)
and Mushtaq Ahmad is some religious authority?? :)
The circle he moves in - they are Authentic ulma-e-karam .. If they see a harm in it - they must have stopped him - on the contrary he was encouraged by them to have a Valima despite being in a marriage for 17 years - As it is a sunnah ... Not a Faraz ..
*WHO in the world said nikkah becomes invalid?
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please answer to the point this time
Ironic isn't it ... The prove your point first you quoted something from an Islamic website - and now for the definition of an islamic act , you are providing me a different ball game ..
Valima is not a core requirement of a nikkah - it is a sunnah ... Not having a Valima doesnt make your marriage invalid .... Read about Mushtaq Ahmed ( Former Pakistani cricketer , who is having his valima after 17 years of marriage ) ...
*WHO in the world said nikkah becomes invalid?
*
please answer to the point this time
No- You answer first how come an act of sunnah , if not done within few days after the consummation of marriage becomes Haram - under what conditions ?
You and Nomica Both said it _ Haram is quite a big word you know :)
first admit you were confused and derailed even before you posted #44 then i will tell you the clue your query (btw its in one of my earlier posts) - otherwise end of discussion
first Answer my question which came out of your statement .. of making a Valima haram :)
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand a walima can't be called thus if there is no consummation of marriage. A walima can't be called a walima as such. :P Label it anything else, but calling it a walima is a lie :P
