LOL Wedding night issue

[Enigmatic]

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My advice would be:

Get married and start living together. After a year or two, if you ever come across this thread you'd laugh like crazy over the notions and misconceptions of how horrible married life could be...even more so, how much importance sex or conjugal relations hold esp in the terms of mere acts of duty. :)

There's so much more to a healthy Islamic marriage in light of the Sunnah. :) and it isnt a load of duties and obligations and demands only.

[diwana]

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You have no sane ones. Diwana......have mercy on mankind......and if it's not too late.......please don't procreate.

Already gave up? First get your femanazi agenda straight then think about mankind.

[diwana]

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@Enigmatic

My advice would be:

Get married and start living together. After a year or two, if you ever come across this thread you’d laugh like crazy over the notions and misconceptions of how horrible married life could be…even more so, how much importance sex or conjugal relations hold esp in the terms of mere acts of duty.

There’s so much more to a healthy Islamic marriage in light of the Sunnah. and it isnt a load of duties and obligations and demands only.

Absolutely, before these femanazis, the life was horrible for women even in Islamic era.

[Demilitarize]

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:k:

@Enigmatic

My advice would be:

Get married and start living together. After a year or two, if you ever come across this thread you’d laugh like crazy over the notions and misconceptions of how horrible married life could be…even more so, how much importance sex or conjugal relations hold esp in the terms of mere acts of duty.

There’s so much more to a healthy Islamic marriage in light of the Sunnah. and it isnt a load of duties and obligations and demands only.

[Enigmatic]

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@diwana

Absolutely, before these femanazis, the life was horrible for women even in Islamic era.

My advice was for guys too

[sabs18]

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GUYSSS I started this thread just for the heck of it, it was for my curiosity, and now it had turned into god knows what..

[diwana]

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My advice was for guys too :D

Agreed to that part as well. :)

GUYSSS I started this thread just for the heck of it, it was for my curiosity, and now it had turned into god knows what..

Your questions I think were answered very nicely. Really sorry for the change of course. The thread can be split I suppose.

[redvelvet]

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@diwana

Already gave up? First get your femanazi agenda straight then think about mankind.

Believing that women should be shown consideration and and emphasizig mutual respect in a marriage even within the light of Islam…is considered a feminazi agenda. Brilliant, Diwana. :k:

Marital rape ain’t real…so if it doesn’t happen to ya…it doesn’t exist. Emotionally drained is not a valid enough reason…because a machine like woman is a far more reasonable image.

And as usual you fire back with the “show me a valid argument” challenge. LOL…no points…excepting the ones you pull out of your butt…will be considered “valid” by you. So, alls I have to say now is that I’d be ashamed if my brother, or my dad, or my son, or even the little boys I teach had your mind-set. It is truly embarrassing.

[khattichic]

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Allow me to recapitulate: 1- It all started with big misconception on Walima. 2- The answer was given. The answer included sex between husband and wife to occur within couple of days. 3- Someone said what if it does not happen or for whatever silly reason she refuses? 4- TLK brought statement based on hadith (s). 5- Someone brought another counter argument. 6- Demense brought hadith(s) based on which TLK made that statement.

7- Then two members brought something made up to counter the hadith or question on hadith. Hadith which never said what the arguments were 'created' on.

Like I have mentioned a long time ago: Marital rape is creation of stupid minds.

No one has ever suggested that even if a woman has valid reasons, man has the right to demand sex.

Now made up reasons like 'emotionally drained' have no value whatsoever.

On the other hand, men are not animals without love/or compassion for their wives. Only wanna be liberated women make these up in their minds.

All Muslim women are LIBERATED women, because Islam was on the fore front of securing rights for women (financial, property & marital). Does Bibi Khadija ring a bell?!?! She was a liberated, self employed entreprenuer (oh the horror!!!). That is why there is the mahavara "What's mine is mine, but what's YOURS is also mine!". If I choose to share my earnings, inheiritance etc with my husband, good, but it's MY choice. He has no say in MY decisions. And THAT has been given to by Allah SWT. If god forbid, something goes south, I have my haq mehr, and it's MY choice, whether I want to forgo it or not. So right there, your pathetic, chauvanistics views are without merit.

Secondly, your cavemen like views on "marital rape" disgust me, because I have seen firsthand how "marital rape" works. My deceased mother (allah unko jannat naseeb karay) worked tirelessly with Texas Muslim Womens Foundation & Muslim Community Center for Health & Human Services, and believe me, there are many, many, many Muslims husbands who rape, yes, RAPE their wives. One of my mother's pet projects that she was working on before she passed away was a domestic violence shelter in our city for Southeast Asian women (and men, because yes, men are victims of domestic violence as well). It's not "women's lib" or being a "feminazi"..it's called COMPASSION, something you severly lack.

Peace Out.

[diwana]

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All Muslim women are LIBERATED women, because Islam was on the fore front of securing rights for women (financial, property & marital). Does Bibi Khadija ring a bell?!?! She was a liberated, self employed entreprenuer (oh the horror!!!). That is why there is the mahavara "What's mine is mine, but what's YOURS is also mine!". If I choose to share my earnings, inheiritance etc with my husband, good, but it's MY choice. He has no say in MY decisions. And THAT has been given to by Allah SWT. If god forbid, something goes south, I have my haq mehr, and it's MY choice, whether I want to forgo it or not. So right there, your pathetic, chauvanistics views are without merit.

Secondly, your cavemen like views on "marital rape" disgust me, because I have seen firsthand how "marital rape" works. My deceased mother (allah unko jannat naseeb karay) worked tirelessly with Texas Muslim Womens Foundation & Muslim Community Center for Health & Human Services, and believe me, there are many, many, many Muslims husbands who rape, yes, RAPE their wives. One of my mother's pet projects that she was working on before she passed away was a domestic violence shelter in our city for Southeast Asian women (and men, because yes, men are victims of domestic violence as well). It's not "women's lib" or being a "feminazi"..it's called COMPASSION, something you severly lack.

Peace Out.

Just to clarify once for all: Marital rape is a made up term.

A rape is a rape. That's all. No such thing as marital rape.

The rape is over-called and over utilized by few and search at your leisure why so many people in the world are disgusted by femenazi's version of what to call a rape.

[diwana]

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@redvelvet

Believing that women should be shown consideration and and emphasizig mutual respect in a marriage even within the light of Islam…is considered a feminazi agenda. Brilliant, Diwana. :k:

Marital rape ain’t real…so if it doesn’t happen to ya…it doesn’t exist. Emotionally drained is not a valid enough reason…because a machine like woman is a far more reasonable image.

And as usual you fire back with the “show me a valid argument” challenge. LOL…no points…excepting the ones you pull out of your butt…will be considered “valid” by you. So, alls I have to say now is that I’d be ashamed if my brother, or my dad, or my son, or even the little boys I teach had your mind-set. It is truly embarrassing.

I sincerely think femanazies have nothing better than to make silly situations out of their behind.

What gets me is why even question or argue on something like a simple hadith based on made up scenarios..as if they were living in other women’s minds…?

[khattichic]

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@Marmalade

Khattichic you’re just not happy with your marriage. You don’t love your husband. That’s why you think this way. :no:

I better watch out and get my ducks in a row before my “mizaji khudaa” brings my sautan into the house

[Pepsi_ki_Botal]

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*On the other hand, men are not animals without love/or compassion for their wives. Only wanna be liberated women make these up in their minds.
*
arrite, define liberated women.

define non-liberated women

define rape.

why does marital rape not exist

answers please, not fluff. lets start with basics.

you know what, while you're at it define what a "woman" is in your sick mind too.

[diwana]

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@Pepsi_ki_Botal

**On the other hand, men are not animals without love/or compassion for their wives. Only wanna be liberated women make these up in their minds.
**
arrite, define liberated women.

A woman who is given all the legitimate rights.

define non-liberated women

A woman who has not given the legitimate rights.

define rape.

When sex is ‘forced’ on a woman who has no obligation to engage in such activity.

why does marital rape not exist

Because it is oxymoronic term. Sex is part of marital relation. More importanly rape is not part of marriage.

answers please, not fluff. lets start with basics.

you know what, while you’re at it define what a “woman” is in your sick mind too.

at sick mind.

[princessjojo]

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@Pepsi_ki_Botal

*On the other hand, men are not animals without love/or compassion for their wives. Only wanna be liberated women make these up in their minds. * arrite, define liberated women.

define non-liberated women

define rape.

why does marital rape not exist

answers please, not fluff. lets start with basics.

you know what, while you're at it define what a "woman" is in your sick mind too.

You have no idea what you are getting yourself into. May God be with you.

[redvelvet]

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@princessjojo

You have no idea what you are getting yourself into. May God be with you.

Agree. Pepsi…yaar…you’re a brave woman…but you’re gonna need something stronger than cola to endure Diwana. More power to you. :k:

[Pepsi_ki_Botal]

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LOL, @ jojo n RV.

[redvelvet]

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This thread is in serious want of Jaanwar and GIDSA.

[khattichic]

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@diwana

:smack: at sick mind.

Against my better judgement, I’m going try one last time to insert some facts into that pea-sized organ between your ears…the following passage has been taken from

http://sunnah.org/msaec/articles/responsibilities_husband.htm

He must control his passions and act in a moderate manner especially in the context of sexual intercourse. Remember that Allah has placed between you and her “friendship and mercy” (mawadda wa rahma), not the gratification of your every lust; and that the Prophet (s) advised young men to marry “because it casts down the gaze and walls up the genitals,” not in order to stimulate sexual passions. The husband should habitually seek refuge in Allah before approaching his wife and say: “O Allah, ward off the satan from us and ward him off from what you have bestowed upon us in the way of children” (allahumma jannibna al-shaytana wa jannibhu ma razaqtana). Allah has called each spouse a garment for the other (2:187), and the purpose of garments is decency. The Prophet (s) further said that he who marries for the sake of decency and modesty (`afaf), Allah has enjoined upon Himself to help him.

[diwana]

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@khattichic

Against my better judgement, I’m going try one last time to insert some facts into that pea-sized organ between your ears…the following passage has been taken from

http://sunnah.org/msaec/articles/responsibilities_husband.htm

He must control his passions and act in a moderate manner especially in the context of sexual intercourse. Remember that Allah has placed between you and her “friendship and mercy” (mawadda wa rahma), not the gratification of your every lust; and that the Prophet (s) advised young men to marry “because it casts down the gaze and walls up the genitals,” not in order to stimulate sexual passions. The husband should habitually seek refuge in Allah before approaching his wife and say: “O Allah, ward off the satan from us and ward him off from what you have bestowed upon us in the way of children” (allahumma jannibna al-shaytana wa jannibhu ma razaqtana). Allah has called each spouse a garment for the other (2:187), and the purpose of garments is decency. The Prophet (s) further said that he who marries for the sake of decency and modesty (`afaf), Allah has enjoined upon Himself to help him.

It still does not negate the hadith which says a woman must not refuse intimate relation to her husband unless a legitimate reason is present. Read again. It only talks about man’s obligation. No probem with that.

We were discussing woman’s role all this time unless you could not get that point so far.

Trust me, that pea is bigger than you can imagine, but oh well.