Is there any connection between these two words? Does faith need to make sense to anyone except ‘you’?
Re: Logic and Religion
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*Originally posted by sabah: *
Is there any connection between these two words? Does faith need to make sense to anyone except 'you'?
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will i guess no..i dont know about others what i think is when u have faith in something u dont need Facts..As can anyone scienticfly prof that is there any GOD i guess the answers will be limited.! so u cant see HIM cant Feel HIM cant hear HIM but when u belive HE is there u need no proof u just know it in ur heart...
thats the point!....Love is blind and so is the Faith for God
when HE commands us not to do some thing we are bound to do so with out having some facts that why not to do so!
this is my point of view may be every one may disagree
but i have a Belive like this
Re: Logic and Religion
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Is there any connection between these two words?
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Yes
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*Originally posted by sabah: *
Does faith need to make sense to anyone except 'you'?
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No, not a compulsion
Re: Logic and Religion
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Is there any connection between these two words? Does faith need to make sense to anyone except 'you'?
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yes, there is a coonection....
human nature seeks logic and Allah wud not send them a religion which was out of logic (or against the nature)....
and ofcourse it has to make sense to others whether they share the religion or they dont (to get them to understand ur religion better)....
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Dr Diya,
Yes you have a right to your own opinion about beliefs, but I for one would not want you as my Dr, I may come to you for a cure for Cancer, and you will turn around and tell me its my fate to die!!, and thats why God gave me Cancer.
Dr Saheba Kabhi Kabhi Logic use kar lein!!!
Faith has to make "sense" and be upheld by "reasonable" argument...
Many times in the Qur'an we are asked to ponder, reflect, think... these are all appeals to "reason"...
Sabah, religions are not based on logic. Those that say they are fooled by the circularity of it all. It is faith that they confuse with logic or fact. And faith is what matters when it comes to religion not fact or logic.
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Sabah, religions are not based on logic.
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The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is.
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Those that say they are fooled by the circularity of it all. It is faith that they confuse with logic or fact. And faith is what matters when it comes to religion not fact or logic.
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You always start this disscussion last time you started it you never stayed till the end. You left more than 10 un answered questions. I've a suggestion for you 'chanda' 'do google better'
All your questions were answered. The problem with you lietralists is that you have trouble understanding unless it is denoted according to a classification system.
As far as your religion being a logical one. 
I am sure it is faith talking not fact. Circularity in proof is not fact or logic. I am god, why? because I wrote it down and told you so..Ok Ji, God sir ji! 
SI, lets not get personal here. Whatever is not answered by Matsui in whatever thread should be discussed there. YahaN I'm confused and need answers, thank you.
Waise how is 'logic' defined then?
and of course it has to make sense to others whether they share the religion or they dont <<
Army, lekin what if it doesn't make sense to others? Is it not logical then, yaani, not okay religion or what?
The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is. <<
Please explain? How does one religion make more sense than others if logic is a relative term?
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and of course it has to make sense to others whether they share the religion or they dont <<
Army, lekin what if it doesn't make sense to others? Is it not logical then, yaani, not okay religion or what?
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come on baji, i thought u were beyond such childish questions....
if eisntein's theories dont make sense to me i dont blame einstein or his theories, i just have to work on my own knowledge and broaden it to gather the logic behind the theories....
and, perhaps u wud agree, u cant make sense to everyone, someone out there is definitely going to disagree with u....
the point is that a majority of sane people know u r talking logic....
since when was the majority ever right about anything?
and define 'sane'.. wasn't the Prophet called insane in his times by the majority?
Religion is based on faith.. someplace somewhere along the acceptance of any religion.. u have to make a leap of faith.. for some religions..it's large.. for some .. just a little.. but u have to rely on faith nevertheless.
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Logic say tumharay Cancer ka elaj nahi ho ga
why are u afraid to die
will yes i will tell my patient that cancer can take him to death..
and i belive God gives u what u deserive! 
Those who believe in "logic" during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) laughed when they were told about Meraaj. They said "how is it possible that someone goes from Mekkah to Jersalem and to skies and comes back in one night". The one who needed no logic in his faith, when heard about it said "If Muhammad says it, it must be true". End of story.
^I agree.
But what is it that gave them that faith? Was it a different type of logic?
Too much logical thinking will turn any hard core believer of a religion into a moderate at minimum. For instance, what did God do during that eternity before He created the earth? Logic says that if God is perfect, then He is complete and neither needs or desires anything else. Then what compelled Him to create man a few thousand years ago? Was He bored or lonely? Or trying to complete things? Wait, He's perfect and has existed for eternity, why wasn't it completed earlier?
Oh well, Seminole, you can spend your time figuring out life's great mysteries and work to get answers to all these wonderful questions or maybe work out these answers all by yourself. I, on the other hand, will prefer to spend my time helping other people and being a good human being. I am pretty sure I will get all the answers I need once I am dead. I can wait.
Faisal, you just described the most important tenants of what religion should represent IMO. But it's not fair to pick on me for asking a logical question while there are scores of posts here asking things like which shellfish God allows us to eat and does He allow women to cut their hair. Why wouldn't you answer a post where someone questions as to how God desires we shave out body hair with the same sarcasm?
Cz I know the answer there, maybe 
Seminole, I was not sarcastic, actually. The questions you ask are philosophical in nature, and unfortunately (or fortunately) I have no interest in philosophy. But you are not alone. I am sure there are many people before you who have wondered about such questions. Many of them are highly respected too. However, personally I prefer not to spend my time on things that I can’t possibly fathom. I rather focus on more practical issues.
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SI, lets not get personal here. Whatever is not answered by Matsui in whatever thread should be discussed there. YahaN I'm confused and need answers, thank you.
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You are most well come. You did not need to delete my post. I'm matsui would be more than happy to refute my claims.
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The religion which you follow might not be based on logic the religion which i do is. <<
Please explain? How does one religion make more sense than others if logic is a relative term?
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Name the religion which does not have contradictions?
You'll find only one. Find for yourself.