Living in USA

[psyah]

Re: Living in USA

The nuances I am getting are that we no longer see ourselves as 1 UMMAH ... Where one part of us is hurt the rest are in pain ... We are aligning ourselves more and more with political identities, thus creating a degree of separation from each other.

Among us I can say this and that, but to non-Muslims, I am clear about this ... I say ... They are sensitive people, who should not be provoked ... We in the west live by western ideals and sentiments and they in their countries live by their ideals ...Thus I am now beginning to try to make excuses for our irrational brothers.

[hareem01]

Re: Living in USA

I think muslims living in Western countries need to visit muslim countries and experience the culture at least once a year to get out of the trance. And by experiencing the culture I don't mean living in 5 star hotels and going on shopping sprees.

In Morocco, to me it was almost a shock to see how muslims there are still in touch with Islam...how much love they have for Islam. We, on the other hand, are just worried about making the best out of this worldly life.

[TLK]

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@psyah

Peace TLK

Would you question a mad man why he set something on fire? So then why are you questioning the people who became mad and killed the US consulates, when the person who was fully sane issued a calculated move to broadcast a hate video in order to create that madness?

This is why in the Qur’an it states spreading fassad is worse than a murder, because it leads to a worsening case of bad relations, ongoing tensions between groups of people and multiple murders.

In a strange way we can say that YouTube were partly responsible for those deaths.

are you justifying the deaths of those US citizen just because some ex-con made a hate video?

@Enigmatic

US would definitely do a lot for Muslims living in the US. only.it would do for any of its citizens regardless of their creed,race, religion for many reasons:

1. it is one of the most developed super power with average living conditions and benefits that are difficult to compare to.
2. people spend a mint of money to actually get to US and these western countries
3. they are generally serving the country and the cumulative intelligence of the South Asians is working for the US. Why shouldn’t they then offer them good living conditions in general.

But every poor Tom, Dick and Harry wouldn’t have the resources to immigrate and just leave their countries. They should not have to suffer at the hands of US policies. If they are by their God forsaken luck living in Northern Tribal areas like Waziristan, what is their fault that they be bombarded with drones ?

It is these things which have resulted in immense hatred for the US. But move to the US and within days they would all be …aah US is heaven

yahan har koi apna ullu seedha kerne aya hua hai. As long as their lives are set, the world is a good place..otherwise it’s a bad bad world and US is the biggest dog!

Good argument. But my question remains the same. How is USA responsible for that video?

[TLK]

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I think muslims living in Western countries need to visit muslim countries and experience the culture at least once a year to get out of the trance..

and vice versa.

[Ma_Mooli]

Living in USA

The question is why should muslims around the world stay quiet about theyre oppression, just so you muslims in the US can live peacefully? Or whilst they and their famlies are merely bigsplats for the US drone! Why should their immediate concern be about you?

The attack in benghazi btw was a planned attack by ansar al sharia, an al qaeda affiliate and not the work of protesters of the film as previously told.

[TLK]

Re: Living in USA

The nuances I am getting are that we no longer see ourselves as 1 UMMAH ....

exactly. Muslims living in Muslim countries look at Muslims living in USA as less of a Muslim. They think that if we are not burning flags and destroying cars on the street of new york then we dont love Prophet Mohammad. They think that if we are patriotic to USA then it means we are anti-muslims.

Burden of treating Muslims as 1 ummah is not only on Muslims living in west. its on every Muslim.

[TLK]

Re: Living in USA

The question is why should muslims around the world stay quiet about theyre oppression, just so you muslims in the US can live peacefully? Or whilst they and their famlies are merely bigsplats for the US drone! Why should their immediate concern be about you?

The attack in benghazi btw was a planned attack by ansar al sharia, an al qaeda affiliate and not the work of protesters of the film as previously told.

Ma Mooli, where did I say that Muslims around the world should not protest against oppression. My question is that what USA has anything to do with the video.

[psyah]

Re: Living in USA

are you justifying the deaths of those US citizen just because some ex-con made a hate video?

Peace TLK

Did what I wrote look like a justification? How can I justify madness? No, I was giving a breakdown for cause and blame ...

One unjustified act lead to another ... this I concede is an explanation ... but not a justification ... I am indeed stressing that both acts are unjustified and all the mini acts in between - such as YouTube not censoring the video immediately ... It would be wrong to look at any incident in isolation outside the initial - disturbance to the peace. It had a runaway effect like a chain reaction ...

It takes big people to stop the chain reaction ... the way to do it - is to absorb criticism and not to criticise others.

[queen_24]

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Ma Mooli, where did I say that Muslims around the world should not protest against oppression. My question is that what USA has anything to do with the video.

alright, just we find him (the one who made the video) and deal with him or treat him the way we want to...............just by then, you will come to know, what USA has anything to do with the video or the producer of that video!! BY-JUST-THEN!!

[psyah]

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Ma Mooli, where did I say that Muslims around the world should not protest against oppression. My question is that what USA has anything to do with the video.

The USA have nothing to do with that video ... but will they then not pay to protect the producer?

[Enigmatic]

Re: Living in USA

are you justifying the deaths of those US citizen just because some ex-con made a hate video?

Good argument. But my question remains the same. How is USA responsible for that video?

Probably the same way America holds Pakistan responsible for harbouring Al Qaeda and Taliban in its north for 9/11 attacks. The same way it alleged Iraq to have weapons of mass destruction making this an excuse to attack them.
It's give the dog a bad name and then hang him thing that's going on.

[Ma_Mooli]

Living in USA

Its done a lot worse than a video. Alot worse. The protests are minor in comparison.

[Ghost14]

Re: Living in USA

As someone said, the US will protect its citizens, but has a very heavy handed foreign policy.

I also think we need to forget about the myth of the Ummah. It's unsustainable. Albanian Muslims are different from Desis. Desi Muslims are different from Arabs. Even the changes in leadership amongst the Caliphates were often associated with race and geography. Syrians replaced Arabians. Turks replaced Syrians. Humans have a bias towards race, and to think that Muslims will somehow live as one big happy nation is unrealistic.

[NS2]

Living in USA

Wow just wow

[sharaabee]

Re: Living in USA

What a mess!

[The_Jinx]

I am not sure how to put it, but bluntly speaking, USA is probably the best Non-Muslim country for Muslims to live. It just bug the heck out of me when US consulates are attacked and innocent people get killed, just because they are US citizens.

I am not talking about individual incidents, but how many mob attacks have you heard of on mosques in USA? How many communities have you heard of who felt unsafe and moved out of USA? How many stone pelting incidents happened in front of any countries consulate in USA? How many bans on head scarf have you heard (ladies go to mall in full naqab in USA without feeling threatened)

I asked this question in WA forum in centcom's thread and want to ask it again here.

What USA has to do with that anti islam movie? How comes USA is responsible? Why do you guys (yes by you, I mean Muslims living in non western world) think that its USA's job to ban the movie? How is it USA's job?

DO you know that when you run this crap of burning flags and US consulates and killing their ambassadors and citizens, it makes the life of Muslims living in USA more difficult?

Rant not over but just ran out of words to express more.

I concur with your thoughts and feelings TLK.

Movie was wrong.

The uneducated protesters were wrong.

The killing of ambassador was wrong. There should never be two views on these.

There are two different views on who killed the ambassador in Libya.

It's very important to understand who killed ambassador.

One view is that it was angry mob. But let's not fool ourselves by outright believing in it. It was a planned granade propelled attack. It was planned and carried out by same crooked people who were put in charge by US. They just used this movie as an opportunity. There is whole lot of international dirty politics behind all this.

USA had nothing to do with this and burning flags and burning own properties are idiotic acts. I agree.

But All muslims should be asking and expecting US to do, is "Do More!!!!!"

Ban the movie and do it officially...
Don't give us a lame excuse and hide behind freedom of speech because it is not. It's a Hate Crime.

That is All.

[queen_24]

Re: Living in USA

^well-said!

[pakistanimard]

Re: Living in USA

lol. there is a difference in what a country means to its residents and to the rest of the world.

Its such an awesome logic to give to someone " look , people in our country live a very good life, so our country is the best in the world". This logic of americans amazes me all the time.

one ambassador was killed in a ' terrorist attack' and you go on here accusing each and every muslim country and all the protesters of ''killing their ambassador**S **and burning consulates".

[heart_beat_1]

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the movie was shown on youtube and i think youtube refused to take it off. what has this got to do with the u.s. government ? our pak government did ban youtube which i think was a good step but how many muslims around the globe are actually going to stop using youtube and for how long? obama/hilary condemned the video which i think was not necessary.

and why do more ? it is a waste of time that we are giving this so much attention. don't we have better things to do ? nobody would have cared about the video if it wasn't for the publicity it received due to the [violent] protests.

the alleged guy who made the video is an egyption and settled in the u.s. so he is an arab. from what i read, he is was a christian/anti islam (ofcourse!). Going by how minorities are treated in pakistan, i can see why he would have been so much against muslims.

i am tired of us blaming west for our problems. i think this mindset is one of the reasons what is holding us back from making progress. we are our worst enemies.

[shopoholic]

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Ban the movie and do it officially...
Don't give us a lame excuse and hide behind freedom of speech because it is not. It's a Hate Crime.

That is All.
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