Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith because…???
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People i need some help on this , cause this is part of my coursework and im confused thankz
I need as many points as i can get for this 
Plz help and im waiting for replies:)
Thankz
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Social values don't match Islamic teachings or way of life
Raising kidz in a too liberal environment
Kidz schooling
Interest based economy/housing/financing
Eating out is a big challenge, limited choices
Have to be really careful in grocery shopping
Hard to take family out for picnic in summer, specially with kidz
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^ all the above apply equally to living in the Islami Jamhooria Pakistan! Think about it.
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^good point funguy.
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Hard to take family out for picnic in summer, specially with kidz
I don't think the kids look at the women in bikini with the same lust you and I do. So do take them out and let them play.
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Hard to take family out for picnic in summer, specially with kidz
I agree. Kids will get the wrong message that it is ok to over eat, become a fat cow and then be proud of the jiggling assets.
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Paki Pride, the above are good answers, should be pretty clear-cut. Adhering to the Islaamic faith in many ways conflicts with the lifestyle of the west. Things that are accepted as normal and routine in the west are not accepted in Islaamic countries. So when you come from an Islaamic country to settle in a western country, its only natural to want to "fit in" and do as the romans do as they say. This can be a test of faith when doing what everyone else does goes against the teachings of Islaam. You cant go out with the guys after work and have a couple of beers, alcohol is forbidden. You COULD have pepsi while the others have their beers but that would likely be uncomfortable. So you either dont do it all or you join in. The women dont cover themselves nearly like they would in an islaamic country - not that all the women dress like hoes but its unusual to see a woman all covered up over here. So- the thing is do you cover yourself all up and therefore call MORE attention to yourself - OR do you wear modest western clothing? Theres no separation of the sexes here, from pre-k onward boys and girls interact and attend school together. When you live in the west, if you attempt to separate your children and keep them away from the opposite sex, you'll raise angry and resentful kids. WHen christmas comes, the very vast majority of children have christmas trees and a visit from santa claus and all come back from vacation talking about the toys that santa brought them. So you ignore this? Tell your kids that santa doesnt exist, your kids relay that to their little school friends and voila, they're outcast. So temptation and wanting to fit in are natural things, its a test of faith to see how far you go and what you do within the limits of the religion. Its most especially hard on parents. We had a visit from a desi family with a 3 year old boy in the midst of the August heat. The boy went out food shopping with us and when he saw a woman in a tank-top, he started yelling, "LOOK Ammi, shes NAKED!! We have to SHOOT her!!". OMG! that type of attitude needs to be adjusted if the child is to get along here....
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Religious Holidays
jummah prayers
Suitability of food, hard to know what is added in what
prejudice/stereotypes
mixing of genders/dating etc
Re: Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Paki Pride, the above are good answers, should be pretty clear-cut. Adhering to the Islaamic faith in many ways conflicts with the lifestyle of the west. Things that are accepted as normal and routine in the west are not accepted in Islaamic countries. So when you come from an Islaamic country to settle in a western country, its only natural to want to "fit in" and do as the romans do as they say. This can be a test of faith when doing what everyone else does goes against the teachings of Islaam. You cant go out with the guys after work and have a couple of beers, alcohol is forbidden. You COULD have pepsi while the others have their beers but that would likely be uncomfortable. So you either dont do it all or you join in. The women dont cover themselves nearly like they would in an islaamic country - not that all the women dress like hoes but its unusual to see a woman all covered up over here. So- the thing is do you cover yourself all up and therefore call MORE attention to yourself - OR do you wear modest western clothing? Theres no separation of the sexes here, from pre-k onward boys and girls interact and attend school together. When you live in the west, if you attempt to separate your children and keep them away from the opposite sex, you'll raise angry and resentful kids. WHen christmas comes, the very vast majority of children have christmas trees and a visit from santa claus and all come back from vacation talking about the toys that santa brought them. So you ignore this? Tell your kids that santa doesnt exist, your kids relay that to their little school friends and voila, they're outcast. So temptation and wanting to fit in are natural things, its a test of faith to see how far you go and what you do within the limits of the religion. Its most especially hard on parents. We had a visit from a desi family with a 3 year old boy in the midst of the August heat. The boy went out food shopping with us and when he saw a woman in a tank-top, he started yelling, "LOOK Ammi, shes NAKED!! We have to SHOOT her!!". OMG! that type of attitude needs to be adjusted if the child is to get along here....
good post.
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Thx hareem....but I think I should add that I dont think doing any of the above truly goes against the teachings of Islaam. "Modest dress" doesnt mean you HAVE to cover yourself in a burkha. Experiencing the cultures and religious practices of another religion does not mean that you're abandoning your own. Santa Claus is not a religious figure! Nor is he "worshipped"...so whats wrong if you add a bit of magic to the life of your child? If you read the Koran and follow ITS principles then you're fine, yeah? And not to worry about what OTHERS do, only worry about yourself - judge NOT. Anyway, I hope this doesnt muddy the issue, I just felt I had to say it because I've seen that Muslims CAN fit in very nicely here, I've seen my son's school sing at holiday time about Eid, I've had many positive experiences...it aint ALL bad.
Re: Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Paki Pride, the above are good answers, should be pretty clear-cut. Adhering to the Islaamic faith in many ways conflicts with the lifestyle of the west. Things that are accepted as normal and routine in the west are not accepted in Islaamic countries. So when you come from an Islaamic ....
very true
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Abay fungoo, panga lena zaroori hai. She asked for points and I just threw whatever came to my mind. Not neccessarily I agree with all the points I mentioned above. These are the answers people in general will give you. IMO.
It was for someone's assignment, let her do the work.
Re: Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Abay fungoo, panga lena zaroori hai. She asked for points and I just threw whatever came to my mind. Not neccessarily I agree with all the points I mentioned above. These are the answers people in general will give you. IMO.
It was for someone's assignment, let her do the work.
Exactly and thankz for the points above the really did help:)
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awww thankz sooooooooooo much this really did help 
Thankz soooo much to you aswell:)
I would like to thankz every1 who helped me out with my** coursework
thankz soooooooon much**
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**So then wat do all of you think of this:D
** Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith because...
The country that we are living in is full of Christians and half of the time it is hard for some Muslims to stick to there religion for example…
This can be a test of faith that when we are doing what everyone else is doing, if they are taking drugs and we follow them cause we are friends and us Muslims are feeling Weird that everyone is taking Drugs and we are not then that goes against the teachings of Islam.
Some women’s in Britain don’t cover themselves nearly like they would in an Islamic country – it is unusual to see a woman all covered up here in Britain.
When Christmas comes, the very vast majority of children have Christmas trees and a visit from Santa Claus and all come back from vacation talking about the toys that Santa brought them. Christmas is very popular in Britain as they are many Christians living in Britain. Many Muslim children come to find out about Christmas. Muslim children get confused that as what they celebrate is it Eid or Christmas. This can also be seen as a test of faith in which does the mother make the child understand that us Muslims don’t Celebrate Christmas, they celebrate Eid.
This is a test of faith to see how far you go and what you do within the limits of the religion.
Some Muslims can’t read English and for them it is hard to know what is added in what
And what type of food is suitable for them, like food which haves Gelatin is not allowed for Muslims.
In Islam things such as mixing of genders, dating is not allowed, but in Britain Many people be Dating each other and in many places such as school and work there is always a mix of Genders that Muslims have to work with.
Some Muslims may feel irritated that other people can date each other but they can’t, this is also shown as a test of faith in a non-Muslim country.
The main reason why it is hard for Muslims to live in a non-Muslin country is because of these things above and some times Muslims do, do the things list above and therefore its going against the religion.
This test of faith is to see whether Muslims obey Allah’s rules or not and weather Muslims Fail this test or not.
If any1 thinks i need to make some changes then plz let me kno :)
Re: Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Paki Pride, the above are good answers, should be pretty clear-cut. Adhering to the Islaamic faith in many ways conflicts with the lifestyle of the west. Things that are accepted as normal and routine in the west are not accepted in Islaamic countries. So when you come from an Islaamic country to settle in a western country, its only natural to want to "fit in" and do as the romans do as they say. This can be a test of faith when doing what everyone else does goes against the teachings of Islaam. You cant go out with the guys after work and have a couple of beers, alcohol is forbidden. You COULD have pepsi while the others have their beers but that would likely be uncomfortable. So you either dont do it all or you join in. The women dont cover themselves nearly like they would in an islaamic country - not that all the women dress like hoes but its unusual to see a woman all covered up over here. So- the thing is do you cover yourself all up and therefore call MORE attention to yourself - OR do you wear modest western clothing? Theres no separation of the sexes here, from pre-k onward boys and girls interact and attend school together. When you live in the west, if you attempt to separate your children and keep them away from the opposite sex, you'll raise angry and resentful kids. WHen christmas comes, the very vast majority of children have christmas trees and a visit from santa claus and all come back from vacation talking about the toys that santa brought them. So you ignore this? Tell your kids that santa doesnt exist, your kids relay that to their little school friends and voila, they're outcast. So temptation and wanting to fit in are natural things, its a test of faith to see how far you go and what you do within the limits of the religion. Its most especially hard on parents. We had a visit from a desi family with a 3 year old boy in the midst of the August heat. The boy went out food shopping with us and when he saw a woman in a tank-top, he started yelling, "LOOK Ammi, shes NAKED!! We have to SHOOT her!!". OMG! that type of attitude needs to be adjusted if the child is to get along here....
I agree with everything you said and that's why I'm moving to Pak, if ever I get married and have kids I don't want them growing up here because of the reasons you mentioned, I've done things I regret and I don't want my future kids to do the same, I want them to have a strong sense of identity/values and belonging, not confused like me always trying to fit in but never being able to..
The only bit I find a bit hard to belive is the "LOOK Ammi, shes NAKED!! We have to SHOOT her!!", I seriously doubt any Muslim family regardless of how conservative they are teach that kind of things to their kids, it sounds more like something a Rabid Fanatic Republican Christian would say about Muslims..
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Thx hareem....but I think I should add that I dont think doing any of the above truly goes against the teachings of Islaam. "Modest dress" doesnt mean you HAVE to cover yourself in a burkha. Experiencing the cultures and religious practices of another religion does not mean that you're abandoning your own. Santa Claus is not a religious figure! Nor is he "worshipped"...so whats wrong if you add a bit of magic to the life of your child? If you read the Koran and follow ITS principles then you're fine, yeah? And not to worry about what OTHERS do, only worry about yourself - judge NOT. Anyway, I hope this doesnt muddy the issue, I just felt I had to say it because I've seen that Muslims CAN fit in very nicely here, I've seen my son's school sing at holiday time about Eid, I've had many positive experiences...it aint ALL bad.
Celebrating Xmas is very much against Islaam.. People who engage in that kind of thing eventually loose their religion and identity, every religion/people have their own ways, Christians have Christmas, we have Eid, Jews have Hanukah. It's fine respecting each other’s religions but if a family celebrates somebody else’s festivals, imagine how confused their kid’s grow up? they'll eventually just get assimilated into the sea of non-Muslims and loose their identity (I guess that's what most Westerns want), Muslims have to actively preserve their ways.
I don't mean to say we shouldn't respect each others festivals, a bit ago one of the council's in the UK assumed that minorities were offended by Christmas celebrations so they called them Winterval celebrations instead, that's bull****, we might not want to engage in it ourselves to maintain our identity but we have no problem with the majority celebrating it..
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I have to say that you sound much more balanced and less anti-west in this thread, Confuzz! I'd like you to know that I did not exaggerate the story of the 3 yr old. I dont know if his attitude came from his parents or from the influence of his back-home nannies but I stated the story as it truly happened right in front of my very eyes! I do realize however that it was not representative of the majority.
Its too bad that you're having a hard time fitting in in the west. I have met many Desis who can fit in nicely without giving up their beleifs, practices or cultural identity....perhaps they were lucky in finding the right job, the right roarea in which to live and the right frame of mind to be accepting of their culturally different neighbors and colleagues. Its a rough road to be sure.
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What grade are you in PP?
Re: Living in a non-Muslim Country can be seen as a test of faith
Celebrating Xmas is very much against Islaam.. People who engage in that kind of thing eventually loose their religion and identity, every religion/people have their own ways, Christians have Christmas, we have Eid, Jews have Hanukah. *It's fine respecting each other’s religions but if a family celebrates somebody else’s festivals, imagine how confused their kid’s grow up? they'll eventually just get assimilated into the sea of non-Muslims and loose their identity (I guess that's what most Westerns want), Muslims have to actively preserve their ways. *
I don't mean to say we shouldn't respect each others festivals, a bit ago one of the council's in the UK assumed that minorities were offended by Christmas celebrations so they called them Winterval celebrations instead, that's bull****, we might not want to engage in it ourselves to maintain our identity but we have no problem with the majority celebrating it..
I totally agree with this and my children have enough confidence to live in this country without having christmas and holloween and extras.Whenever there is a christmas i tell them its their festival let them enjoy and when eid will come we will enjoy.For that we have to do effort like i went to her class and give a presentation on eid decorated her class bought a lot of presents for her on eid decorated an apartment so she could feel thats our festival.Instead of christmas we should celebrate eid with excitement and fun so children can understand the religion.One of my hub's jew friend told us that they only celebrate hanukkah because there children were offended by Christmas and felt jealous, even jews are clever not to follow Christmas and made their own festival on the other hand we being muslims are forgetting ourselves and mixing our religion with them.