Live Updates of Azadi March

[jasos]

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Taliban Khan :hbk:

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[jasos]

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@Sa1eem

I am not PTI supporters but certainly I support just and logical demands and in what Imran is doing, I agree with him and I am with him. Thus I am answering your post as Pakistani and on behalf of PTI Insafians. I hope my answers would satisfy your query

If Imran moves into the red zone, than why it is not fair game? Obviously it is fair game.

You are asking that to tell you of one country where you can to do whatever you like in the name of democracy?

Obviously, one cannot do everything in the name of democracy … but one can do everything to get independence … right?

In Pakistan there is no democracy, it is occupation. You should know that in no democracy government can kill innocent people what happened on 17[SUP]th[/SUP] June … and not even allow victims to register FIR in police.

So, what Imran is doing, he is doing it not in the name of democracy, but in the name of independence … and that is why he has named his protest … Azadi March (movement for independence).

Which Pakistan Government you are talking about? There is no Government in Pakistan, no police, bureaucracy or judiciary in Pakistan. No justice exists in the country. What is there is only occupation of Pakistan by a group of Thugs and all state institutions are working as their slaves. Thugs have no right to dictate neither they should pretend that they care or think of the country. We all know what they do and what they are interested in … that is, how to loot and plunder Pakistan and move Pakistani wealth after looting to Europe and Middle East.

When there is no government and Pakistan is occupied by thugs using deception and cheating the people with their rigging, red zone becomes green zone … a place that needs liberation just like rest of Pakistan, so what is big deal.

We all know that Thugs in occupation can kill (and they showed their killing instinct as example on 17[SUP]th[/SUP] June), but that is price of independence. Imran has to bring out self-respect and self-realization in Pakistanis so that they can stand together to get independence from thugs and that would not be difficult, as thugs may have Gullus but these Gullus are gut-less and coward animals, who can only show brutality when accompanied by state forces, but on their own, facing response, they can only hide their tails between their legs and run.

End of this march … one can hope Pakistan gets independence from Thugs. March into PM house and parliament is just like marching in occupied buildings, as there is no PM in Pakistan, only occupier (using deception of rigging election) pretending to be PM, and similarly there are no Parliamentarians in Parliament house, as most are in parliament through rigging.

If Imran also get into power using deception and rigging then that would be occupation too, and then Fazal-ur-Rahman would have every right to protest against such so-called government of occupation.

If Imran government would be genuine (what Nawaz government is not) than facing Fazal-ur-Rahman protest they themselves would resign from government and would ask Fazal-ur-Rahman to contest election again … as one who forms government without deception and rigging, would not fear from contesting election again and under any sort of secure election system … especially when their mandate is doubtful and people questioning, as that clears the matter and could bring peace. I am pretty sure that in such situation, Imran would do everything to make election genuine, even of PTI has to contest election under system where army overseas each and every polling station so that rigging becomes impossible, that can be seen by all too, so that no one could question that election.

Ab iss say zaidah insaaf say Insafians kiya kam lay saktay hain kay … they allowed 14 months for this corrupt thugs illegally occupying Pakistan to justify their win in election?

Insafians did not got frustrated for 14 months and came out now, when they lost all hopes of getting independence from thugs in peaceful ways. But it seems PMLN thinks that PTIs are idiots and would keep asking until next election and then PMLN (or PPP) can do the same in next election too, use deception and rigging to occupy Pakistan than loot and plunder.

Ab khuda ka wasta … be just and realise that PMLN occupation do need what is happening, as PMLN thug occupiers are not ‘baton kay bhoot, they are latoon kay bhoot’ and thus need plenty of laat (kicks) … maybe, army’s boot too.

yeh u key khsuh fehmi hey keh koi u key sari ram katha parhay ga

[Jolie]

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@phoenixdesi

I appreciate PTI supporters’ passion for their leader and his movement (no one will believe but Imran used to be my leader as well and I still care abt him)…but i ask PTI insafians that if imran moves into the red zone tomorrow with his supporters, is it a fair game?

democracy allows you to protest but within certain parameters. There are always certain constitutional and safety parameters that define limits of those protests both psychically and verbally. Tell me one country where you can do whatever you want to on the name of democracy? in washington DC you are never allowed to come too close to white house.

Pakistani Govt said from day 1 of this march that you can protest anywhere in islamabad (and they did not interfere the dharna of both PAT and PTI) but we will not let you in the red zone as we have diplomatic base in there and any incidence will put a black spot on pakistan’s face. If diplomats starts to leave pakistan it will be so embarrassing. Red Zone is protected by military right now so it is heavily guarded.

Despite knowing all this, Imran announces to march into the red zone…why? and PTIans still want us to believe that he is not creating a violent scene? If we have dead bodies tomorrow how come imran is not responsible for them? he is deliberating challenging and creating a tough situation… khuda kay layee be balanced in your thinking.

and what is the end of this march? what if imran wants to march into the PM house ? what if he wants to march into the parliament?

and more importantly what if in near future molana fazal rehman brings 20K people into Islamabad under imran khan govt and insists to march into the red zone…at that point all of you will justify imran khan govt to protect the red zone against fazul rehman at any cost but when PMLN govt will do it you get upset.

khuda kay wastay, insafians insaf say kam lo… rab da wasta hai tanu

First of all, stop with all your emotional wastays. Compose yourself!

Secondly, what is ‘Red Zone’? This is the same Red Zone where in 2009, Nawaz League supporters used to dance on the streets day and night to have the Chief Justice restored. It wasn’t an issue then? And the Red Zone entry was also not an issue when it was time to oust Musharaf and bring democracy (so people can freely protest!), where was the fear of any unfortunate incident then? But now suddenly it has turned into an absolute no go area because Nawaz League said so? Stop pretending that Red Zone is now some War Zone. Even within the Red Zone, there are clear parameters where protesters can freely protest without bringing any harm to the buildings. There is more to the Red Zone than diplomatic enslavement. The only real problem here that protesting in Red Zone actually works! Simple as that. It is known for yielding results and in the last 5-6 years, it has successfully worked twice. Imran knows that and that’s why he’s wants to protest in the Red Zone, Nawaz League knows that too and that why that will try level best to stop the protesters and have the so called unemotional and self proclaimed independent minds believe that crossing of Red Zone is akin to crossing the Indian border.

I highly doubt Imran literally wants to march into the parliament house or whatever, the aim to is to clearly gather near the parliament, and that’s fine according to me, considering we tend to always protest outside the Big Ben and Downing Street. The recent protests for Gaza were all based there. So it’d be quite hypocritical of me to take such a high and mighty attitude over protests outside the parliament. I wonder how many people here know that even the idea of March of Washington was declared unconstitutional and a grave threat by the US government. The US Federal Government bitterly opposed it and straight away said no. Martin Luther King had to go out of his way to convince Kennedy that we’ll remain peaceful, and if he really cares about maintaining the facade of American of freedom and liberty during the Cold War, he should allow the March and better not use violence against the marchers. Imagine if King had bowed down to the pressure and illegally imposed restrictions and threats and cancelled the March? How different America’s history would’ve been and by how many decades, it would’ve delayed the freedom of African Americans? Now don’t get uber excited and jumpy and think I’m comparing King with Khan, I’m just pointing out the similarities in their methods. Imran has promised peaceful entrance and dharna (i.e some kind of non-movement and retrain as oppose to restless swarming) in the Red Zone. In case the entry and the gathering remains a peaceful, there is absolutely no reason why anyone should fire at the protesters and turn this legitimate and just movement into a bloodbath. Clearly a threat is being created and atmosphere of fear is being induced by this insecure, incompetent and immoral government. But the ultimate argument is, if Nawas League supporters were allowed to protest in the Red Zone to oust Musharraf and restore CJ, then there’s no real ground for barring PTI from entering the area.

[waleedhbk]

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Noora league at the Red Zone

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**MuhammadAnjumKiani **‏@AnjumKiani](https://twitter.com/AnjumKiani) 8s
Apart from PTV & GEO all tv channels blocked in Balochistan.#RevolutionNowOrNever](https://twitter.com/hashtag/RevolutionNowOrNever?src=hash) #AwamiTakeOver](https://twitter.com/hashtag/AwamiTakeOver?src=hash)

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[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

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iSupportPTI ‏@iSupportPTI](https://twitter.com/iSupportPTI) now
RT @FahadZeb1](https://twitter.com/FahadZeb1): @ISFPakistan](https://twitter.com/ISFPakistan) @iSupportPTI](https://twitter.com/iSupportPTI) @ImranIsmailPTI](https://twitter.com/ImranIsmailPTI) Please bring candles and roses with u, as it will show a gesture of peace

[waleedhbk]

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Imran Ghazali ‏@ImranGhazaliPK](https://twitter.com/ImranGhazaliPK) 22s
Confirmed reports that all exit points of Lahore are sealed by PMLNGulluButt 2 stop people from reaching Islamabad #ChaloChaloIslamabadChalo](https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChaloChaloIslamabadChalo?src=hash)

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[Ali_Syed]

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Pti has played all its cards now. So what exactly the party is expecting to get by entering the red zone? Reportedly the government might allow them entry to the area, which will be guarded by Pakistani army. What kind of face saving can the government now offer khan?

[Shamraz_Khan]

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Seems like people have enough of this drama.

Khadim Hussain ‏@Khadimhussain4 19m
Journalists, civil society, lawyers and like minded democracy supporters to form human chain at 5 pm to block PTI crowd entrance in red zon

[phoenixdesi]

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@Jolie

First of all, stop with all your emotional wastays. Compose yourself!

Secondly, what is ‘Red Zone’? This is the same Red Zone where in 2009, Nawaz League supporters used to dance on the streets day and night to have the Chief Justice restored. It wasn’t an issue then? And the Red Zone entry was also not an issue when it was time to oust Musharaf and bring democracy (so people can freely protest!), where was the fear of any unfortunate incident then? But now suddenly it has turned into an absolute no go area because Nawaz League said so? Stop pretending that Red Zone is now some War Zone. Even within the Red Zone, there are clear parameters where protesters can freely protest without bringing any harm to the buildings. There is more to the Red Zone than diplomatic enslavement. The only real problem here that protesting in Red Zone actually works! Simple as that. It is known for yielding results and in the last 5-6 years, it has successfully worked twice. Imran knows that and that’s why he’s wants to protest in the Red Zone, Nawaz League knows that too and that why that will try level best to stop the protesters and have the so called unemotional and self proclaimed independent minds believe that crossing of Red Zone is akin to crossing the Indian border.

I highly doubt Imran literally wants to march into the parliament house or whatever, the aim to is to clearly gather near the parliament, and that’s fine according to me, considering we tend to always protest outside the Big Ben and Downing Street. The recent protests for Gaza were all based there. So it’d be quite hypocritical of me to take such a high and mighty attitude over protests outside the parliament. I wonder how many people here know that even the idea of March of Washington was declared unconstitutional and a grave threat by the US government. The US Federal Government bitterly opposed it and straight away said no. Martin Luther King had to go out of his way to convince Kennedy that we’ll remain peaceful, and if he really cares about maintaining the facade of American of freedom and liberty during the Cold War, he should allow the March and better not use violence against the marchers. Imagine if King had bowed down to the pressure and illegally imposed restrictions and threats and cancelled the March? How different America’s history would’ve been and by how many decades, it would’ve delayed the freedom of African Americans? Now don’t get uber excited and jumpy and think I’m comparing King with Khan, I’m just pointing out the similarities in their methods. Imran has promised peaceful entrance and dharna (i.e some kind of non-movement and retrain as oppose to restless swarming) in the Red Zone. In case the entry and the gathering remains a peaceful, there is absolutely no reason why anyone should fire at the protesters and turn this legitimate and just movement into a bloodbath. Clearly a threat is being created and atmosphere of fear is being induced by this insecure, incompetent and immoral government. But the ultimate argument is, if Nawas League supporters were allowed to protest in the Red Zone to oust Musharraf and restore CJ, then there’s no real ground for barring PTI from entering the area.

bibi I am composed…aap bee apna khayal rakhen…wo kaya farmaya tha aap nay..stress is not good for skin!!!

the issue is that every march has different set of circumstances… at lest for this march govt and PTI talked about this topic beforehand…permission to protest in Islamabad was granted on express conditions that the Red Zone will not be breached and in return govt will not interfere in PTI march. PTI leadership agreed to it but of-course now no one from PTI camp will agree to it …

regardless…you claim that a protest in red zone will actually work and that is why PMLN iis not allowing them to protest in the red zone…fine.** Now i desperately pray that govt allows Imran and PTI to protest in the red zone** so that everyone can see that nothing is going to work for PTI march because it is based on some thoughtless strategy … the more PTI will try more it will expose itself…it has dug a hole and it is not even trying to come out of it.

[phoenixdesi]

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@waleedhbk

lulz](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Lulz)

This picture is photoshopped and this page is a full time negative propaganda against PTI

Cant believe you fell into this trap

No wonder I never take ur comments serious

i did not see anything wrong with that pic and already said that urdu commentary was done by aamir liaqut and that i dont agree with it

but i am so happy that waleed does not take me seriously…sir jee bariee meharbani aap ke…app apna “lul” and “ha ha ha” continue rakhien in every post and please leave my posts alone…

[muqawwee123]

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[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

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Baby Bhutto ‏@BabyBhutto](https://twitter.com/BabyBhutto) now
Badtameez Airline refuses to fly Uncle Nawaz to Jeddah in passenger plane.. Offers cargo plane instead! #ChaloChaloIslamabadChalo](https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChaloChaloIslamabadChalo?src=hash) Red Zone

[Sheeda_Pistol_1]

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Nawaz and COAS met. COAS told him to take a step back in his stance.

[TheRealDeal]

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@Ali_Syed

Pti has played all its cards now. So what exactly the party is expecting to get by entering the red zone? Reportedly the government might allow them entry to the area, which will be guarded by Pakistani army. What kind of face saving can the government now offer khan?

Imran is just desperate, he knows the march has failed, and wants to create a situation, that is it.

[Ali_Syed]

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@Sheeda_Pistol

Nawaz and COAS met. COAS told him to take a step back in his stance.

What step can he take now?

[TheRealDeal]

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@Sheeda_Pistol

Nawaz and COAS met. COAS told him to take a step back in his stance.

LOL, did the COAS tell u that himself?

[Shamraz_Khan]

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Murtaza Ali Shah ‏@MurtazaGeoNews 1m
Imran khan needs a couple of dead bodies of poor pti](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=PTi) workers to make his ultimate dream turn into reality - the PM of Pakistan

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[Sa1eem]

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@Ali_Syed

Pti has played all its cards now. So what exactly the party is expecting to get by entering the red zone? Reportedly the government might allow them entry to the area, which will be guarded by Pakistani army. What kind of face saving can the government now offer khan?

if nothing happens than occupy Parliament and President house. I do not think government can rely on army to guard these institutions for government, neither government who has done everything to make armed forces upset, could expect that. Meanwhile, TUQ has started dharna all over country and that would put more pressure on government.

I think that idea would be to make government nonfunctional and force them to resign. But if government still keep hanging with posts than making whole Pakistan nonfunctional would force other power players (especially armed forces) to move for the benefit of the country.