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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 13h**

**Javed Hasmi shows mirror to Nawaz Sharif on Model Town incident & not a single Maraasi beats the desk this time. The irony is unmistakable.

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 13h**

**Silence of Democratic Maraasis over principle stance of Baaghi against Sharifocracy clearly indicates that they all are Darbaaris of Nawaz.

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 14h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Aap Mujhe Aisay Kiun Dekh Rahe Hain Jese Main Koi Raqqasa Hoon. — Maulana High Octane Diesel.

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 15h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Me Itna Masoom Hoon Muje Insanon Ko Zibah Krne Walay Taliban Aur Bahir Bethe Log Ek Dikhai Dete Hain. — Mehmud Cheechakzai

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 15h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Me Ne Apni Siyasat Ka Aghaz “Planet of the Apes - 1972” Se Kia Tha. — Mehmud Khan Cheechakzai

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 15h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Ye Jamhuriat Ka Hi Husan Hai K Afghan Agent MNA Aur Indian Agent Prime Minister Bana Betha Hai. — Mehmud Khan Cheechakzai

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 16h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Aap Dil Par Haath Rakh Kar Bataen Kya Iss Se Achi Meethi Bezti Aap Ne Hoti Dekhi Hai Nawaz Sharif Ki? — Aitzaz Ahsan

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 16h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Yeh Wohi Muqaddas Aiwaan Hai Jahan Iss Ganjay Ne 3 Din Pehle Chitta Safaid Jhoot Bola Tha. — Chay Nisar

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Ground Reality @faujitweets](https://twitter.com/faujitweets)** · 16h**

**Janab-e-Speaker! Hum Bhi August 2012 Main Aiwan-e-Sadar Par Charh Doray Thay, Lekin Please Us Ka Zikar Na Karein. — Chay Nisar

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He sounds dodgy, evil thug when he speaks.

Says that ‘if you can take out the protesters, we’ll come and take them out’. Referring to his own personal militia perhaps. I bet he has one. None of the resident Noons picked up on that ‘extra constitutional’ threat, right? Well he got his fifteen minutes fame with that horrid woofing.

By the way, I believe this is the same idiot who said Afghanistan was about to attack Pakistan if I wasn’t for me being there already. Or something like that.

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I am a constitutionalist and not NS die hard. Last time he was removed I was supporting Musharraf like you guys are supporting IK, but after the first couple of years Mushy also became a disappointment, but now I am wiser.

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....Did Murtaza tell you that?

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How can you only quote and believe Nawaz Sharif sponsored channels and cronies and chums and say you are not a Nawaz die hard. Come out of closet. It's okay.

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No , If the election reforms could be achieved through this move and an early election even with four year term of this assembly , we can get a better future .

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No but you will one day.

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He is the best option for the country from the current lot, he is a changed man, older and wiser. Last time he was in power I was attending protests by your IK against him. Where were you then?

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Ahmed Quraishi @AQpk](https://twitter.com/AQpk)** · 4h**

**The anti-#NawazSharif](https://twitter.com/hashtag/NawazSharif?src=hash) protesters have cornered the PM, exposed pmln](https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLN?src=hash)'s organized anti-military campaign in Parliament. Weakened PM massively

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Ahmed Quraishi @AQpk](https://twitter.com/AQpk)** · 3h**

**After a clear message from military, #NawazSharif](https://twitter.com/hashtag/NawazSharif?src=hash)/pmln](https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLN?src=hash) today scraps plans to use further force. Growing opposition within Police#Pakistan](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash)

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Ahmed Quraishi @AQpk](https://twitter.com/AQpk)** · 8h**

**Ten pmln MNAs verbally abused our soldiers today morning while entering the Parliament that these soldiers were guarding.
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Ahmed Quraishi @AQpk](https://twitter.com/AQpk)** · 13h**

A huge fall for an elected parliament in pakistan that convenes to protect a failed prime minister. No word on corruption/rigging/murder.

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How to identify a PMLN supporter.

  1. He will try to be funny irrespective of the gravity of the situation.
  2. He will never accept that he is a core PML(N) supporter, but the slightest criticism on NS will set his pubes on fire.
  3. He will reply to criticism on PML(N) policies by bashing IK.
  4. He will be irrational but expect others to be rational.
  5. He will have issues with what IK wears and what he has for breakfast, not what his political policy is.
  6. He will consider unparliamentary language the biggest sin and the murder of 17 innocents common proceeding of the day.
  7. He will be guided not by his brain but by blindly trusting his virtual bibles like 'I hate Imran Khan' and 'PML(N) supporter the best'
  8. He will believe every photoshopped photo
  9. He is perfectly fine that his son/daughter will be a slave of the sharif family's son and daughter.

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terrorist](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=terrorist)

I am a terrorist says Kashif Mehmood
“Mera naam Kashif Mehmood hai aur mein aik dehshat gard hun. Hum log sochtay thay k dehshat gard ka chehra kaisa hota hai, tu mein aaj aapko bata raha hun k is tarhan dikhtay hain dehshat gard. Aaj hamari parliament ne hamein bata diya haike zulm k khilaaf awaaz uthanay ko dehshat gardi kehtay hain!” Kashif Mehmood

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It’s his ploy of staying relevant. :hoonh: Easy trick, talk tall, talk long and grab attention. Achakzai has been the most vocal opponent of this Azadi March and has spewed all sorts of horsepukey from the first day onwards. And he gets a lot of talk time, being so close to Nawaz Sharif.

Exactly. :snooty: Problem is that he gets his fifteen minutes every other day.

Same sucker. I referred to his laughable statement here a few days back. :slight_smile: As I was saying, he has only one saving grace (and that too, not all that much as AnwarLHR points above), otherwise he is just another guy enjoying the low hanging fruits of Pakistani shtyle democrashy.

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**Sheerien Mazari is talking sense in this article below published in jan 2013 declaring qadri a western agent… what happened now? is she not enlightening khan shaib to stay away from qadri thug? or Khan is not even listening to her..here is what she said


At a third level, my misgivings are based on what I tend to call “connecting the dots.” The timing of Dr Qadri’s return; information flowing out from British sources that the UK High Commissioner to Pakistan visited Dr Qadri in Canada two or three times about six months ago; the growing belligerency of drones and Indian troops along the LoC, alongside an unprecedented increase in terrorism, especially in Quetta; the sheer money and organisational structure that suddenly became overt – just too many coincidences in terms of timeline. Some said the “establishment” was behind Dr Qadri, but I am not convinced on that count! However, external powers I suspect have a role, although I have no proof – simply an educated assessment of what is happening within Pakistan and in our region.*

Shireen M MazariMonday, January 14, 2013
From Print Edition

Dr Tahirul Qadri undoubtedly moved me on December 23, especially with the sea of green and white flags and the passionate resonance of the national anthem. We may be far from where we want to be, or should be, as a nation, but the passion and dream lives on in so many of us. Dr Qadri’s message touched a chord and the instinct was to join up in his caravan for change. After all, this was what had attracted me to the PTI until the “electables” invasion, traditional manoeuvring and takeover. Imran’s commitment to change was not the issue, but the means – of the same “electables” somehow becoming harbingers of this change – did somehow undermine the belief, notwithstanding the passion of the youth!

So when Dr Qadri in his convincing manner offered yet another path to truly change the democratic political equation in Pakistan, it was difficult not to join in. But something held me back, and I can now identify three different levels of reasoning that made me decide to stay away. The first level was related to the assumptions underlying the march, regardless of the numbers! The idea of having a “people’s assembly” which would make decisions for the nation without itself having been selected by the people smacked of an arrogance that was discomfiting! After all, how could this “people’s assembly” represent the whole gamut of the Pakistani nation without having actually been given this mandate? Similarly, respected scholar though he is, Dr Qadri also has not been given a mandate to head such an assembly and make decisions on behalf of the people of Pakistan!

At a second and perhaps most crucial level, I feel that, given the chaos and violence Pakistan is already experiencing, the means of bringing change matter. There is absolutely no doubt that the demands for electoral reforms through proper enforcement of the constitution are the need of the hour for Pakistan to rid itself of the corrupt politicians’ coterie ruling us. But the questions that came to mind are: One, why not use the Supreme Court and challenges through the ECP to ensure enforcement of constitutional provisions with regard to electoral candidates? Here Imran Khan’s example stands out in connection with bogus voters’ lists, as well as his pending appeals against pre-poll rigging.

There is a system that works, if used properly. This usage also allows for strengthening of institutions like the judiciary and the ECP – thereby fortifying the roots of democracy. I feel Imran’s use of petitions to fight electoral corruption not only shows faith in the judiciary, thereby fortifying the institution, but has also borne positive results in the battle for electoral reform – although the war has yet to be won.

Two, how can one man and his followers decide who is clean or pious? At the end of the day, if we believe in democracy then we must fight the battle against corruption and lawbreakers at the ballot box. Yes, rigging is a plague, as are the traditional political norms, especially in the rural areas; but if enough voices stand up against these evils, I believe things will change. We have never given the democratic system, flawed as it may be, a chance to take root. Too many dictatorial interventions in the name of “reform” have already cost this country a smooth evolutionary developmental process. In fact, this is a major reason why the corrupt, inept traditional “electables” succeed time after time in elections – because they are allowed to embrace political martyrdom instead of being exposed for the criminals that they are.

Distasteful as it may be, we have to allow the system to continue and hope people will choose new faces, who will in turn bring reform to the electoral system through parliamentary legislation. We need a system of proportional representation; of unhinging the roots of support for corruption in politics such the misnomer “development funds,” and so on. But these changes need to come through letting the electoral system continue, which may make the task more daunting but it is the only legitimate way. Too many non-democratic interventions have already destroyed the fabric of this nation.

Three, I feel very strongly about the whole issue of dual nationality and had written a letter to the CJ on the issue also. No matter how committed to Pakistan, dual nationality implies dual loyalties, especially in the case of the US naturalisation oath. If one wants to lead a political movement in Pakistan then commitment to this cause requires a renunciation of the foreign nationality. Not everyone agrees on this, but it is a conviction with me.

At a third level, my misgivings are based on what I tend to call “connecting the dots.” The timing of Dr Qadri’s return; information flowing out from British sources that the UK High Commissioner to Pakistan visited Dr Qadri in Canada two or three times about six months ago; the growing belligerency of drones and Indian troops along the LoC, alongside an unprecedented increase in terrorism, especially in Quetta; the sheer money and organisational structure that suddenly became overt – just too many coincidences in terms of timeline. Some said the “establishment” was behind Dr Qadri, but I am not convinced on that count! However, external powers I suspect have a role, although I have no proof – simply an educated assessment of what is happening within Pakistan and in our region.

We know the US seeks a favourable dispensation in Islamabad up to 2014 so that its withdrawal from Afghanistan can be smooth and the post-withdrawal scenario to its liking. A long-term friendly caretaker setup would suit them more than an elected government, especially since they are not sure what will happen in the next elections when there is no NRO and no “guarantors”! We also know how the UK played a lead role in the whole NRO game, so the same linkage can be taken as a given again. Banking on someone they recognise as a “liberal religious leader,” who has even sought to justify drones before December 23, they feel will allow them to bring the Pakistani nation on board. These are dangerous and false assumptions but it will not be the first time such miscalculations have been made.

Too many questions to set the mind at ease over the agenda of Dr Qadri – a man to be respected for his scholarship. But if he is really concerned about the people of Pakistan then a march that would win support from all over the country would be a peace march to Quetta. Now, that would be a march I would join without hesitation. Till then elections and legal challenges to enforce constitutional provisions are the route to achieve change. The means do matter.

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What a display of joke in parliament today, what a disgrace of the institution so sacred for democracy. Everyone is so full of hypocrisy, so blinded. I just wish one day they watch themselves speak in NA... if they had an ounce of shame they will never show their face to anyone.

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Miss mazari also said in this article:

***At a second and perhaps most crucial level, I feel that, given the chaos and violence Pakistan is already experiencing, the means of bringing change matter. There is absolutely no doubt that the demands for electoral reforms through proper enforcement of the constitution are the need of the hour for Pakistan to rid itself of the corrupt politicians’ coterie ruling us. But the questions that came to mind are: One, why not use the Supreme Court and challenges through the ECP to ensure enforcement of constitutional provisions with regard to electoral candidates?

yahiee to sub keh rahay hain..laikan khan is stuck on one demand…******


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Yeh, do takay kay politicians jaatay hain parliament siasat karnay. :naraz: It’s not like they go there to solve any real issues. And yes, not all are like this, but those that are not are usually quiet on the matters that matter. For most of these, the parliament is just another picnic. Irrespective of the party affiliation.

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I don't get that either. Why on earth would Imran invite him to his container, the man is dodgy from the beginning. Not a good sign for the coming days.

I know what you mean. I was against the Khattak guy coming to the marches, man the dude should have stayed back and focused on the province. His presence was not needed. The rigging still cannot be ignored, legitimate demands were made and there came a point where both sides were ready to negotiate and compromise on certain issues that should have been accepted. The resignation was an unrealistic demand and now it has taken PTI to a point of no return.

How else is this stalemate going to be resolved if both sides refuse to budge on certain conditions?