Live Updates of Azadi March

COLD_FIRE · September 2, 2014, 5:20am

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Army’s questionable decisions - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The carefully constructed veneer of neutrality that the army leadership had constructed through much of the national political crisis instigated by Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri has been torn apart.

First, came the army’s statement on Sunday, the third in a series of statements in recent days on the political crisis, which quite astonishingly elevated the legitimacy and credibility of the demands of Imran Khan, Tahirul Qadri and their violent protesters above that of the choices and actions of an elected government dealing with a political crisis.

Consider the sequence of events so far. When the army first publicly waded into the political crisis, it counselled restraint on all sides — as though it was the government that fundamentally still had some questions hanging over its legitimacy simply because Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri alleged so.

Next, the army crept towards the Khan/Qadri camp by urging the government to facilitate negotiations — as though it was the government that was being unreasonable, and not Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

Now, staggeringly, the army has ‘advised’ the government not to use force against violent protesters and essentially told it to make whatever concessions necessary to placate Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

It is simply extraordinary that it is the PAT and PTI supporters who want to break into and occupy state buildings, but it is the government that has been rebuked.

It’s as if the army is unaware — rather, unwilling — to acknowledge the constitutional scheme of things: it is the government that is supposed to give orders to the army, not the other way around.

The government has already issued its order: invoking Article 245.

On Saturday, as violent thugs attacked parliament, it was surely the army’s duty to repel them.

But the soldiers stationed there did nothing and the army leadership the next day warned the government instead of the protesters — which largely explains why the protesters were able to continue their pitched battles with the police and attacked the PTV headquarters yesterday.

If that were not enough, yesterday also brought another thunderbolt: this time from within the PTI with party president Javed Hashmi indicating that Mr Khan is essentially doing what he has been asked and encouraged to do by the army leadership.

It took the ISPR a few hours to respond with the inevitable denial, but a mere denial is inadequate at this point. The functioning of the state stands paralysed because a few thousand protesters and their leaders have laid siege to state institutions.

Where is the army condemnation of that?

Would the army allow even a handful of peaceful protesters to gather outside GHQ for a few hours?

The army is hardly being ‘neutral’. It is making a choice.

And, it is disappointing that choice is doing little to strengthen the constitutional, democratic and legitimate scheme of things.

It shd be an eye opener for everyone. Still some will remain seated in the cocoons and wont budge an inch.

muqawwee123 · September 2, 2014, 5:20am

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rehm aata hai aise followers per jinka leader kal ik baat kahe, aaj kuch aur aane wale kal kuch aur…

jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:20am

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madam dhara day dein

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COLD_FIRE · September 2, 2014, 5:21am

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Aik aap aur aik @arshad5 ki nazarain bohot taiz hain. Kiyoon na hoon… aik spy](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=spy) hai to doosra #GoldenEye](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=GoldenEye)

jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:22am

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Frishta sift Ilzma khan key bat ho rahi hey kia :cobra:

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Shamraz_Khan · September 2, 2014, 5:22am

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I posted this from dawn b/c they are lot more credible compare to some others media groups.

COLD_FIRE · September 2, 2014, 5:23am

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jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:23am

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waisey burger bhi dheet ho giey hein majal hey jo sharminda hon :cobra: mein to kheir sey hon he dheet

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COLD_FIRE · September 2, 2014, 5:29am

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Perhaps the most distressing aspect of this ongoing political turmoil is that it has brought the armed forces back on the political forefront. They stand now where they do not belong, and they’re saying things which do not suit their constitutional position. The Corps Commanders Conference on Sunday was convened to discuss the ongoing political crisis. While the generals deliberated behind closed doors, the rest of the country waited anxiously. Let’s stop here for a moment and ask ourselves: why were we afraid that they might come out and announce everyone’s going home, including the Prime Minister? Is it because of history alone or does it have something to do with how the military is currently behaving? Hours later, the meeting was over and a perplexing press statement was released.
Other than “reaffirming support to democracy”, it expressed serious concerns over the “violent turn” the ongoing crisis had taken, “resulting in large scale injuries and loss of lives”, and decided that “further use of force will only aggravate the problem.” It went on to reiterate that the “situation should be resolved politically without wasting any time and without recourse to violent means”. What we have here is military commanders issuing public advisories to the elected government, which should be simply unacceptable. Of course, the military can apprise the Prime Minister of its political analysis of the situation, but that too can happen behind closed doors, the same way they held their meeting and reached a conclusion. Also, the issue at hand is Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s resignation being demanded by a mob which has already attacked state buildings. What kind of a solution is being suggested here, which neither wastes time nor involves use of force? Why is anything being suggested at all? Moreover, who exactly is being asked here to refrain from using force? Is it the Police, which is answerable to the Interior Minister, who is answerable to the elected Prime Minister? Where in the constitution does it state that the military will direct the government on how it should perform its job? While protestors cross one red line after the other, what option does the government have but to use force to prevent them from taking the law into their hand? Will the military act on the same advice when dealing with protestors outside GHQ, who wish to storm in ‘peacefully’? Are we making a mistake in interpreting the press release? It is possible, but an error in this regard can be forgiven seeing that the press statement leaves plenty of room for interpretation, maybe not unintentionally.
Towards the end, the statement reads that the Army will play “its part in ensuring security of the state and will never fall short of meeting national aspirations.” Yes, the nation hopes so; because the PTV building came under attack by protestors on Monday, and there are people still sleeping outside the Parliament in violation of the law. Yes, the nation hopes that its beloved Army will continue to follow the constitution, and yes, it hopes against hope, that the Army will never again fall short of meeting national aspirations.

And yet another one on the lines of Dawn editorial.

jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:33am

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sheep aanay do abhi batati hey sheep u ko :cobra:

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jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:36am

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han je raham aay ga he un par :cobra:

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Sa1eem · September 2, 2014, 5:39am

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Ap ko un per rahm nahi aata jin kay leader her qadam per jhoot boltay hain aur Ayeen tortay hain?
1: Was it not lie when NS claimed that he had no agreement with Pakistan government, when he was kicked to Saudia?
2: Leave past, was it not Lie when NS in parliament claims that he did not brought in army so that army negotiates with IK and TUQ?
3: Was it not true that NS made agreement of 10 years, but being Liar, did not kept his promise and agreement?
... ... And many more ...

How about following constitution:
A: Is it constitution not to allow victims (of Model Town 17 June) to register FIR of his choice?
B: Is it not constitutional that citizens can protest peacefully wherever they want, throughout Pakistan (something even Musharraf allowed not-so-peaceful protest that was full of agitation, when Lawyers were doing Bhangra on road), still NS using police to end their protest?
... ... and many more ...

Now ... kiya aap ko raham ayesay followers per nahi aata jin ka leader NS jaisa corrupt aur jhoota ho?

jasos · September 2, 2014, 5:42am

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MOD Cleanup

Ap ko un per rahm nahi aata jin kay leader her qadam per jhoot boltay hain aur Ayeen tortay hain?
1: Was it not lie when NS claimed that he had no agreement.
2: Leave past, was it not Lie when NS in parliament claims that he did not brought in army so that army negotiates with IK and TUQ?

How about following constitution:
A: Is it constitution not to allow victims (of Model Town 17 June) to register FIR of his choice?
B: Is it not constitutional that citizens can protest peacefully wherever they want, throughout Pakistan (something even Musharraf allowed not-so-peaceful protest that was full of agitation, when Lawyers were doing Bhangra on road), still NS using police to end their protest?

Now … kiya aap ko raham ayesay followers per nahi aata jin ka leader NS jaisa corrupt aur jhoota ho?

NS bilkul jhota hay aor andey walay muamlay par to mein Hamza shahbaz ka qatal kar sakta hoon

anday aor chicken key qeeemat itni barha di hey kah mein nay eggs aor chikcen khanay band kar diey hain

ab muhalay key murgeon kha kar guzara kar raha hon :cobra:

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Shamraz_Khan · September 2, 2014, 5:43am

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Burning the house down in protest – The Express Tribune

In 1968, the United States military, as part of the infamous Tet Offensive, heavily bombarded a town in Vietnam called Ben Tre. There were heavy civilian casualties and an estimated 550 people were killed and another 1,200 were wounded. What distinguished this battle from others in the Vietnam War was a quote from an anonymous US soldier about the offensive: “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.” While that quote may since have become disputed, it does appear to accurately reflect the attitude of the protestors in Islamabad about Pakistan: if they are not allowed to “save” the country as they deem fit, they are willing to destroy it.

The damage done to Pakistan’s fragile democratic transition by Imran Khan’s PTI and Tahirul Qadri’s PAT has by now been well documented and lamented by the few responsible sections of the press remaining in the country. What is less understood or appreciated, however, is the extent to which this protest movement has damaged the economy (the attack on PTV being a particular case in point). From the shattered trust of investors — both local and foreign — to the higher transaction costs of imported goods due to a higher exchange rate, the full cost of the protests in Islamabad is likely to far exceed the cost of cleaning up the Red Zone.
To even begin a tally of the damage to the economy done by the Islamabad protests is a difficult task. We will not even count the many short-erm losses — the sharp decline in the exchange rate, the likely ensuing spike in inflation, the stock market decline, the foreign investment decline, etc. No, the real impact on the economy will be the long-term damage, for which the blame lies squarely with the PTI and Imran Khan.
For starters, there was the moronic civil disobedience call to stop paying taxes and utility bills. This stroke of genius relies on the following premise: let us solve the major, though manageable, problem of electoral fraud by exacerbating the two biggest challenges facing the Pakistani economy, namely electricity theft and tax evasion. We suspect Asad Umar was hiding his face in shame somewhere when this happened.
The deeper damager, however, is psychological. Following the peaceful transition of power, the Pakistani market — both the stock market and the broader capital market for investment — saw what is described in economic terms as a “re-rating”. Simply put, investors saw the political transition as a sign of stability and would thus the volume of potential investment into Pakistan grew substantially, as evidenced at least partially by the growing foreign ownership of stocks listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange. Foreign investors now own more than 30 per cent of the free float in the stock market, compared to around 20 per cent before the 2013 elections.
How does the PTI think those investors feel about Pakistan after seeing protestors wearing shirts sold by one of the three major political parties in the country storming and damaging buildings in the heart of the capital? This is not simply the concern of investors. It matters for the rest of Pakistan. People are far more likely to make the kind of long-term investments that create stable, well-paying jobs if they are relatively certain that a democratic government will not suddenly be overthrown by a rash populist who appears to have at best a callous indifference about the economic fate of the country.
Imran Khan’s supporters are fond of pointing out the costs of the corruption of politicians belonging to other parties and that corruption no doubt needs to be addressed. But what use is Imran Khan’s supposed sincerity and honesty to the textile worker who will not be employed because the factory she works at is not getting export orders, or the farmer who cannot sell his stock at good prices because the multinational consumer goods company that was about to set up a production plant cancelled their investment plan? Malicious corruption has its costs. But so does incoherent, incompetent sincerity.
In the world of dollars and cents, intentions do not matter. Actions do. And Imran Khan’s actions demonstrate that he is far from ready to lead the Pakistani economy.
Published in The Express Tribune, September 2nd, 2014.

Jolie · September 2, 2014, 5:43am

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What I am trying to get at is that if you don't support Imran Khan then don't support him. But that is no reason to put your weight behind the corruptness that is PML-N or even PPP.
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That's the whole point. Do not throw your weight around these politicians and expect people to believe you are not a supporter of their ever crime. Doing everything possible to defend these politicians, apologising for their every crime, showing every sympathy and support to their antics, only to fire a pathetic one liner that 'I am not a fan of Nawaz Sharif' doesn't cut it. You cannot fool anyone with such third class face saving gimmick., because your actions tell a completely different story. This is so typical of Nawaz Sharif supporters, they appear far more offended when their leader is challenged than when he actually makes a blunder than commits an outright crime. If you have shamelessly made this system look like a synonym of a corrupt family rule, out of sheer ignorance and moral duplicity, then don't be surprised when people ask to separate this family from the system so they can have their system back.

All that obscene brouhaha, wrist slitting, smear campaign against a party you deem finished, unimportant, insignificant, small with loss of all support and influence. Then where is your holier than thou wailing about all the ills of the party that is still very important, enjoys proper majority, holds overwhelming power and influence and support across spectrum? In that case who has the bigger responsibility and moral obligation to perform? Now every lousy Tom, Dick and Harry may act like a great ex-PTI supporter who feels greatly let down or disappointed, but the arm chair cynics who have suddenly decided to infest these threads with their good for nothing scepticism and taunts are exactly the same people who actually never supported IK in anyway. They know exactly who they are.

The amount of criticism you see in regards to PTI by those who claim to be 'no fan of Nawaz Sharif' here is so pathetically disproportionate that all that actually makes them appear like die hard Nawaz Sharif jiyalas, and they probably are. This is how they roll. You would never find Nawaz Sharif supporters directly supporting him. Never. They absolutely can't because they are too ashamed to do that, but what they do is they purposely dodge every opportunity to oppose him and simply attack those who oppose him. You would never find the 'I am no Nawaz Sharif fan' type Nawaz Sharif fans offer an honest critique of his policies and crimes. This is how their support for Nawaz Sharif works. They support him by vehemently opposing those who oppose him.

For right or wrong, I am a product of completely different political environment and cultural sensibilities, I find it appalled that Pakistanis especially those blind PTI critics don't feel an ounce of shame and offence over Nawaz Sharif financial corruption. They rather make fundamentally hate driven posts against Imran, writing essays questioning his break to Bana Gala, then ask why a Prime Minister of such a poor country is an owner of a massive business empire. Why as a Prime Minster, he has dozens of industries under his name. Where did he get the money from? Why hasn't he disclosed all of his wealth and conflicts of interests? Where is the accountability of such things?

Nympholept · September 2, 2014, 5:46am

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how disgusting is it ?

Army’s questionable decisions - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The carefully constructed veneer of neutrality that the army leadership had constructed through much of the national political crisis instigated by Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri has been torn apart.

First, came the army’s statement on Sunday, the third in a series of statements in recent days on the political crisis, which quite astonishingly elevated the legitimacy and credibility of the demands of Imran Khan, Tahirul Qadri and their violent protesters above that of the choices and actions of an elected government dealing with a political crisis.

Consider the sequence of events so far. When the army first publicly waded into the political crisis, it counselled restraint on all sides — as though it was the government that fundamentally still had some questions hanging over its legitimacy simply because Imran Khan and Tahirul Qadri alleged so.

Next, the army crept towards the Khan/Qadri camp by urging the government to facilitate negotiations — as though it was the government that was being unreasonable, and not Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

Now, staggeringly, the army has ‘advised’ the government not to use force against violent protesters and essentially told it to make whatever concessions necessary to placate Mr Khan and Mr Qadri.

It is simply extraordinary that it is the PAT and PTI supporters who want to break into and occupy state buildings, but it is the government that has been rebuked.

It’s as if the army is unaware — rather, unwilling — to acknowledge the constitutional scheme of things: it is the government that is supposed to give orders to the army, not the other way around.

The government has already issued its order: invoking Article 245.

On Saturday, as violent thugs attacked parliament, it was surely the army’s duty to repel them.

But the soldiers stationed there did nothing and the army leadership the next day warned the government instead of the protesters — which largely explains why the protesters were able to continue their pitched battles with the police and attacked the PTV headquarters yesterday.

If that were not enough, yesterday also brought another thunderbolt: this time from within the PTI with party president Javed Hashmi indicating that Mr Khan is essentially doing what he has been asked and encouraged to do by the army leadership.

It took the ISPR a few hours to respond with the inevitable denial, but a mere denial is inadequate at this point. The functioning of the state stands paralysed because a few thousand protesters and their leaders have laid siege to state institutions.

Where is the army condemnation of that?

Would the army allow even a handful of peaceful protesters to gather outside GHQ for a few hours?

The army is hardly being ‘neutral’. It is making a choice.

And, it is disappointing that choice is doing little to strengthen the constitutional, democratic and legitimate scheme of things.

I wish (which seems more like a dream) that our sincere political forces (which are rare), bar organizations and responsible media (again scarce) all join hands together and force the parliament and judiciary to probe all this matter and convict the personnel involved. It has happened in Turkey, where military was very strong 10-12 years ago, but the brave political leaders stood fast and were able to convict those servicemen involved in conspiracies against civilian government.

Sa1eem · September 2, 2014, 5:47am

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Just saw ANP and PPP claiming that they do not want to save NS, but they are standing with NS because they want to save Jamhooriyat. What a lie to fool people. :)

Democracy do not get effected by Government coming and going. All over the world in democracies, government resigns and that is no problem. What these thugs are doing is, destabilizing democracy and doing everything that democracy ends in Pakistan. As when democracy becomes anarchy, what is happening in Pakistan, just because thugs are doing nothing and saying that they are doing nothing to save democracy, then anarchy calls other powers (armed forces or courts) to try to stabilize country, by ending democracy and government.

These thugs do not realise (or realise but do not want to do) is that, the best way of saving democracy in Pakistan is, make the government of dhandli resign, have election reforms and make sure free and fair election is held that all accept, than new proper democratic government forms ... be that government is of PMLN, PTI, PPP or whoever wins the election.

muqawwee123 · September 2, 2014, 5:52am

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MOD Cleanup

Ap ko un per rahm nahi aata jin kay leader her qadam per jhoot boltay hain aur Ayeen tortay hain?
1: Was it not lie when NS claimed that he had no agreement with Pakistan government, when he was kicked to Saudia?
2: Leave past, was it not Lie when NS in parliament claims that he did not brought in army so that army negotiates with IK and TUQ?
3: Was it not true that NS made agreement of 10 years, but being Liar, did not kept his promise and agreement?
… … And many more …

How about following constitution:
A: Is it constitution not to allow victims (of Model Town 17 June) to register FIR of his choice?
B: Is it not constitutional that citizens can protest peacefully wherever they want, throughout Pakistan (something even Musharraf allowed not-so-peaceful protest that was full of agitation, when Lawyers were doing Bhangra on road), still NS using police to end their protest?
… … and many more …

Now … kiya aap ko raham ayesay followers per nahi aata jin ka leader NS jaisa corrupt aur jhoota ho?

aap ki purkhuloos post ka shukriya… NS ke follower to naqabil e ilaaj hain… rehm aur marham ki stage se aage ki baat hai… hum iss mulk ke nae nasoor per tabsura kar rahe the :cobra:

muqawwee123 · September 2, 2014, 5:54am

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A troll from London living on chori ki murghis from Lahore

Nympholept · September 2, 2014, 5:56am

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Jolie:

That's the whole point. Do not throw your weight around these politicians and expect people to believe you are not a supporter of their ever crime. Doing everything possible to defend these politicians, apologising for their every crime, showing every sympathy and support to their antics, only to fire a pathetic one liner that 'I am not a fan of Nawaz Sharif' doesn't cut it. Your actions tell a completely different story. This is so typical of Nawaz Sharif supporters, they appear far more offended when he's challenged than when he actually commits a wrong. If you have shamelessly made this system look like a synonym of a corrupt family rule, out of sheer ignorance and moral duplicity, then don't be surprised when people ask to separate this family from the system so we can have our system back.

All that obscene brouhaha, wrist slitting, smear campaign against a party you deem finished, unimportant, insignificant, small with loss of all support and influence. Then where is your holier than thou wailing about all the ills of the party that is still very important, enjoys proper majority, holds overwhelming power and influence and support in e? In that case who has the bigger responsibility and moral obligation to perform? Now every lousy Tom, Dick and Harry may act like a great PTI supporter who feels greatly let down or disappointed, but the arm chair cynics who have suddenly decided to infest these threads with their good for nothing scepticism and taunts are exactly the same people who actually never supported IK in anyway. They know exactly who they are.

The amount of criticism you see in regards to PTI by those who claim to be 'no fan of Nawaz Sharif' here is so pathetically disproportionate that all that actually makes them appear like die hard Nawaz Sharif jiyalas and they probably are. You would never find Nawaz Sharif supporters directly supporting him, they absolutely can't and they are too ashamed to do that, but what they do is they purposely dodge every opportunity to oppose him and attack those who oppose him, This is how their support for Nawaz Sharif. Support him by vehemently opposing those who oppose him.

I didn't vote in 2008 or 2013 general elections, but I would have voted for Imran in the next election if he had proved himself to be a man of words, stopped behaving like teenagers and had chosen the right path of serving the nation and gathering support allover Pakistan. In the past two weeks, he had gained a lot more than any political party would have thought about probing the 2013 elections, electoral reforms and so forth, but he insisted on one unconstitutional demand proving that he doesn't believe anyone except himself or the military, like he and the military people are angels and the rest all are devils.