Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Now we can curse all we want, nothing will change. So lets try to be practical about this:
Can this so called scholar turned politician demonstrate what halki pulki phenti or light beating is: as someone stated on social media, best would be, let Tahir Ashrafi beat this guy live in front of tv to demonstrate the phenomenon.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
This is just disgusting.
Things like this really makes it difficult for you to parrot the rhetoric that Islam is a religion of peace, equality and bla bla bla.
The thing is you can't say that Islam is only being abused in so and so country or region, so it's an acute, isolated problem. Reality is that this kind of thinking/interpretation is prevalent in all Muslim societies, irrespective of their geographical locations and cultural identity and history.
There cannot be a lasting peace and progress in any Muslim country until there is a complete separation of church and state.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Can't - Too late now!
It's a "thought process" of Zia which is now in 2nd generation of our countrymen.
Plus - his biggest legacy N$ is current PM; who vowed to complete Zia's mission thousands of times!
I think CII was formed in 70s (the decade where religion officially started to creep into Pakistani constitution and politics).
Since then CII has been used and abused by likes of Zardari and Nawaz Sharif to buy Moulana Fazlu's support. The head and including the most Mullahs in CII are JUI-F members.
As long as you have politucans in the country whose 'survival' and success depends on keeping Moulana Fazlu happy, CII isn't going anywhere.
Mark my words.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
No wonder people are having a laugh at Sherani’s expense
A comprehensive list of things you can ‘lightly beat’ other than your wife - Favourites
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Interestingly many influential & educated women in the country have kept quiet on the bill so far
I think they have just decided that ignoring these loony people is the best response. It is not worth their time
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Interestingly many influential & educated women in the country have kept quiet on the bill so far
I think they have just decided that ignoring these loony people is the best response. It is not worth their time
....Because a Bill is not an Act, and CII can legally only 'recommend' things to Government, but the Government is not obliged to follow any of their recommendations.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
True. An unnecessary distraction nevertheless
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Not unless the distraction is deliberately ‘asked’ for.
Protection from domestic violence hinges on CII, Imran tells women - The Express Tribune
**“PESHAWAR: **The draft of the domestic violence bill will be presented in the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Assembly once the Council of Islamic Ideology’s (CII) advice is received on whether it complies” with Islamic injunctions.
This was said by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Chairperson Imran Khan at an International Women’s Day event held at Shaheed Benazir Bhutto Women University (SBBWU) Peshawar on Tuesday."
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Do not agree with IK on this. Very disappointing.
He lost respect in my eyes once he aligned himself with regressive forces such as JI not to mention his pathetic stance on TTP/Taliban and military operation
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Imran Khan comes across as very nice and rational whenever he appears on TV. How do his supporters reconcile this undercurrent of stone ageism with his TV persona?
Will the real Imran Khan stand up?
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Imran Khan comes across as very nice and rational whenever he appears on TV. How do his supporters reconcile this undercurrent of stone ageism with his TV persona?
Will the real Imran Khan stand up?
but who is real Imran khan? that is the million dollar question.
and his supporters reconcile with all of Imran's contradictions seamlessly just like supporters of every other political party do in sub continent. from congress to BJP to Nawaz league to Pakistn peoples party to Hasina wajid's party. we in subcontinent are an emotional lot and worship personalities not ideas.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
but who is real Imran khan? that is the million dollar question.
and his supporters reconcile with all of Imran's contradictions seamlessly just like supporters of every other political party do in sub continent. from congress to BJP to Nawaz league to Pakistn peoples party to Hasina wajid's party. we in subcontinent are an emotional lot and worship personalities not ideas.
For that matter, this is true of US politics also.
Did you just imply something negative about Sri Modi? How dare you?
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Imran Khan comes across as very nice and rational whenever he appears on TV. How do his supporters reconcile this undercurrent of stone ageism with his TV persona?
Will the real Imran Khan stand up?
Imran may be Oxford-educated but deep-down his family, belonging to the Niazi Pashtun tribe, is quite conservative. Purdah and hijab is very common among their women. And these days he only makes sense when he talks about cricket. Sad but true.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
Imran may be Oxford-educated but deep-down his family, belonging to the Niazi Pashtun tribe, is quite conservative. Purdah and hijab is very common among their women. And these days he only makes sense when he talks about cricket. Sad but true.
That's a very ignorant and judgmental comment to make.
You do know his sisters who are effectively in their 50s and 60s are/ or had been working women all their lives? One of his sister is a surgeon, one was an economist employed by the UN and one of them is a businesswoman. Not to mention the choice of women Imran had dated and married - none of them were remotely 'conservative'.
Since I'm not a person who judges people by their appearance, in my opinion Imran's family in practice is certainly modern given the era the siblings were brought up and the country they're living in.
PS: If it makes any sort of difference to how you judge his family, I don't think one of his sisters wears hijab.
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I know they are educated but education does not necessarily make one liberal minded. Family upbringing does. We recently had the example of this beaconhouse and IBA-educated student. Anyway that's my view. Some of IK's views about women, Taliban, military etc. are strange to say the least. The very fact that he sees nothing wrong with the bill proposed by CII and is ready to present the draft in the KPK assembly shows that he has lost it completely.
True liberal to me is someone like Jinnah
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
I know they are educated but education does not necessarily make one liberal minded. Family upbringing does. We recently had the example of this beaconhouse and IBA-educated student. Anyway that's my view. Some of IK's views about women, Taliban, military etc. are strange to say the least. The very fact that he sees nothing wrong with the bill proposed by CII and is ready to present the draft in the KPK assembly shows that he has lost it completely.
True liberal to me is someone like Jinnah
You call Jinnah because you are aware of his ideas, but you calling Imran's sisters conservatives in a slightly demeaning manner because you don't know them at all, and you decided to judge them by just seeing duppatas on their heads? You are being so judgmental on such a superficial level, and I am quite shocked to be so honest.
Those women are highly educated professionals who had been working all their lives in a conservative and misogynist country like Pakistan, but for you they are not liberal enough because they cover themselves according to the local traditions of the land? *It is about time men stop passing judgment on women's credentials and character based on how they dress - yup true liberals don't do that.
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By the way, Jinnah towards the end of his life starting sporting shervani and topi, those Pakistanis who judge people on the basis of their appearance use pictures of shervani wala Jinnah to brand him as a conservative Islamist Mullah.
PS: Mind updating me how Imran had decided to present the current Bill in KPK assembly and for what purposes? Please provide a recent news link.
There was absolutely no need to drag Imran's sisters to express your political outrage.
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Imran khan is probably liberal personally (look at his marriage choices and the party that JI hate in dharnas) but a hypocrite conservative when it comes to public. These are the kind of politicians (re: Bhutto for AP) that are the most dangerous.
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**It is about time men stop passing judgment on women's credentials and character based on how they dress - yup true liberals don't do that.
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**Can you criticize Imran for once for his attitude here? I was about to post what you did but you are really beating Asif around the bush with imran's sisters are liberal and he is a misogynist for saying otherwise. They aren't liberal by appearance like Reham (in the past..) but who know what their overall views are. Weren't they the ones who wanted a young virgin as imran's wife instead of an independent thinking Reham? It is a shame that young women and men have to deal with such BS to be part of PTI.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
By the way,
Fatima Jinnah also wore duppatta on her head, and don't even make me write thesis here to show what an exceptional and advance mind she had, and the role she played in mobilising women support for the creation of Pakistan at a grass root level.
Stop judging women the way they dress!
Dupatta or skirt at the end of the day is just a piece of cloth that symbolises a personal choice!
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That was in old age as you can see her hair and even sleeveless? saari in some of her pics with her brother.
Re: ‘Lightly beating’ wife permissible, says CII’s proposed women protection bill!!!
That was in old age as you can see her hair and even sleeveless? saari in some of her pics with her brother.
She was quite a stylish lady, I haven't seen many pictures of her youth, but she has always donned a duppata even wearing 3/4 sleeveless saris.
Just like wearing hats in pre war European culture was sign of nobility and respectability, duppata on head pretty much has a same effect in many traditional old money type families.
Mind you, many Saudi style Wahabis are ready to give fatwas when they see traditional Pakistani way of wearing Duppata and chaddar which doesn't cover your entire head.
One person's conservative is other person's 'not Islamic enough'. You really can't please everyone!