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They troops were fired upon Malik, or do you refuse to believe that part of the story?
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How are invaders supposed to be treated. Welcomed with gifts?!!!
Somebody's country is plundered and conquered and so many killed and injured. Ask a person whose child, wife or parent got killed in American bombings. Will he/she be happy?
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They troops were fired upon Malik, or do you refuse to believe that part of the story?
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Were they not demonstrating against a US puppet being put in place to rule Mosul, and the US occupation? Yes. The rest is American allegations to cover up the fact they killed 17 Iraqi demonstrators exercising the freedom the American's say they have given them.
Now what happened to those millions of Native American dissenters who opposed the Anglo-American settlers and invaders? How did the American regimes deal with dissent then?
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How are invaders supposed to be treated. Welcomed with gifts?!!!
Somebody's country is plundered and conquered and so many killed and injured. Ask a person whose child, wife or parent got killed in American bombings. Will he/she be happy?
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I'm understanding, If your Muslim like Saddam then other Muslims don't say a damn word as he oppresses, tortures, and kills his people but when the U.S. comes into free Iraq of WMD which meant war and accidental deaths occur you speak up because they are infidels?
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Were they not demonstrating against a US puppet being put in place to rule Mosul, and the US occupation? Yes. The rest is American allegations to cover up the fact they killed 17 Iraqi demonstrators exercising the freedom the American's say they have given them.
Now what happened to those millions of Native American dissenters who opposed the Anglo-American settlers and invaders? How did the American regimes deal with dissent then?
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Oh so you pick out the parts of the story you like out and then reassemble it.
Are you really bringing Native Americans into this?
**This thread was opened to discuss liberty in the US; any further diversionary comments not addressing the theme of the thread will be removed.
HKP.**
Did the McCarthy witch-hunts ever end? The US is a heaving mass of oppressed people in my opinion, who are sold liberty in a flavour of the administrations choosing.
Everything is okay as long as you are free within limits; those limits (through the soon to be made permanent Patriot act and Patriot act II?) are shrinking by the day.
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Are you really bringing Native Americans into this?
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What you want me to also mention how you treated African-Americans until 30 or so years ago, and how in many respects you still do? Native American's (who still live in third-world style reservations) come from a long line of peoples in America who have dissented against American imperialist policies, and suffered as a result - in GENOCIDAL terms.
As the article in my original post shows dissenters in America are being arrested, defamed, taunted, threatened and humiliated if they dare to oppose this illegal war. Is that something you are proud of?
Thankfully people such as James Sensenbrenner won’t allow the PA to become permanent.
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As the article in my original post shows dissenters in America are being arrested, defamed, taunted, threatened and humiliated if they dare to oppose this illegal war. Is that something you are proud of?
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See NYAhmadi post above.
''That will be done over my dead body,'' said Sensenbrenner in an interview.
That will probably be arranged I have full faith in the current administrations commitment to protecting the public from international terrorism. God Bless America.
Anyhow isn't that how the US justifies killing 1000's of innocents Iraqi's...what's one evil senator worth?
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See NYAhmadi post above.
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Why have you run out arguments? Try speaking for yourself, rather than hiding behind someone else...
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*''That will be done over my dead body,'' said Sensenbrenner in an interview.**
Anyhow isn't that how the US justifies killing 1000's of innocents Iraqi's...what's one evil senator worth?
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How is it justified that Muslims stayed silent while hundreds of thousands of innocents Iraqis died at the hands of Saddam? Would it be justified to leave this man in power?
NYA was talking rubbish....again.
One example of how dissenters are being marginalised is in the film industry. Many more examples I'm sure with teachers losing jobs for teaching balanced views etc.
Don't make me serach for cut and paste's.
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Why have you run out arguments? Try speaking for yourself, rather than hiding behind someone else...
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He's presented facts and I'm directing you his way, how is that hiding?
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How is it justified that...
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American's like yourself have never seen it fit to condemn the arrest, defamtion, threats and humiliation of those who dare to oppose this illegal war in the USA. How justified is it that American's like yourself are making excuses for American soldiers who butcher Iraqi dissenters?
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He's presented facts and I'm directing you his way, how is that hiding?
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Speak for yourself if you can, and challenge the facts that I presented i.e. on how the American regimes treated the dissenting Native American's and later the African-American's?
UTD,
I'm sure the Iraqi's wouldn’t want to die at anyone’s hands; all the US has succeeded in doing is finding more efficient ways of killing these people.
But again this is taking the discussion off topic.
Lets get back to freedom of speech and liberty (or lack of therein) in the US.
I’ve always viewed the US regimes as stifling compared to the truly liberal democracies of Europe. Much like in the days of Rome the senate rules a mob through crude political manipulation and scare-mongering; it’s only natural that this form of oppression is eagerly exported abroad in the form of puppet regimes.
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American's like yourself have never seen it fit to condemn the arrest, defamtion, threats and humiliation of those who dare to oppose this illegal war in the USA. How justified is it that American's like yourself are making excuses for American soldiers who butcher Iraqi dissenters?
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Don't start making accusation or generalizations Malik. I'm not making excuses, I'm simply taking in the facts and forming my judgments based upon them.
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Don't start making accusation or generalizations Malik.
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If that is so, then please show us where you have condemned the arrest, defamtion, threats and humiliation of those who dare to oppose this illegal war in the USA? Show us where you admitted the fact that the Iraqi demonstrators in Mosul were demonstraing against the US imposition of a puppet ruler before they were butchered by US occupation soldiers?
Malik,
You must understand that UTD's views are subject to years of subjective intake of information so any attempt at truly independent thought and discussion should be complimented at every turn of a post.
UTD,
You're doing just fine, keep on typing until the curfew hits I won’t tell if you won’t ;-).....shhhh thats Patriot act III.