Liberation Begins at Home

While the American’s are busy “liberating” people in the Middle East, maybe others should turn their attention to liberating the American people, especially those who dare to disagree with the US regime, and are then arrested, taunted and threatened as a result?

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2003/nf20030417_9673_db009.htm

Liberation Begins at Home

So the war wasn’t all about the oil, right? It wasn’t about making the Middle East safe for Israel, right? It wasn’t about settling a personal score with the assassin who tried to take out the President’s old man, right? Right. The war in Iraq was about – stop me if you’ve heard this before – destroying those still-elusive weapons of mass destruction and ending a heartless dictatorship that harbored terrorists. But as enunciated by one of the egghead architects of the Iraq attack, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, eliminating the regime of Saddam Hussein was and is also about creating a template for democracy in a region where freedom has not rung since Abraham was a pup. And what do we mean by freedom, boys and girls? Well, a couple of the things we mean are freedom of expression and freedom of speech. So how in Saddam’s hell does this happen:

**First Lady Laura Bush cancels a White House poetry symposium after learning that some of the poets who had been invited plan to read poems opposing war in Iraq.

A lawyer is arrested at Crossgates Mall near Albany, N.Y., and charged with trespassing because he’s wearing a T-shirt that says: “Peace on Earth.”

A young woman basketball player at Manhattanville College in Purchase, N.Y., is the subject of taunts, threats, and demonstrations for turning away from the flag in silent protest against war.

Country-music band Dixie Chicks take endless heat from fans after singer Natalie Maines tells an audience in London: “Just so you know, we’re ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas.”

A TV commercial for credit-card giant Visa starring Martin Sheen, who plays the President on West Wing, is suddenly dropped following complaints about the actor’s antiwar and anti-Bush statements.

The United Way of Tampa Bay cancels a fund-raising event to have been headlined by Susan Sarandon because of her outspokenness on the war in Iraq.

And in the most eggregious assault on the rights of red-blooded Americans to speak their piece, Dale Petroskey, president of the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y., cancels an Apr. 26 celebration of the ballpark classic Bull Durham because the film stars antiwar activist Tim Robbins and wife Sarandon. **

That caused Hollywood celebrities to rally round Robbins and Sarandon, with even Clint Eastwood telling Variety’s Amy Acherd that the pair has the right “to say what they want to say, when they want to say it.” Petroskey’s heavy-handedness also prompted the reknowned baseball writer Roger Kahn to cancel a scheduled appearance at the Hall of Fame in August. In a letter to Petroskey, Kahn wrote: “By canceling the Hall of Fame anniversary celebration of Bull Durham for political reasons, you are, far from supporting our troops, defying the noblest of the American spirit. You are choking freedom of dissent.” On Monday, Apr. 14, another American said something about free speech: “Wonderful thing about free speech…you get a lot of opinions. Some of them are right, and some of them are wrong. But that’s what we believe.” That American was visiting soldiers at Bethesda Medical Center who were wounded in Iraq. His name is George W. Bush.

If it's hypocritical for the US to be demanding freedom and liberation around the world -- where on the hypocrite scale is it for nationals of countries with dictatorships at home to be complaining about freedom and liberation of the modern world's first and most imitated democracy?

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If it's hypocritical for the US ... where on the hypocrite scale is it for nationals of countries ..
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Your tiny brain wont comprehend the answers … The poster has agreed to the world’s problems but merely asking to correct the same at home before launching a world wide eradication effort .. If my roof is leaking, I would fix it first before attempting to fix my neighbors.. Makes sense, doesn’t it?

Yes, it does make sense. My tiny brain tells me YOUR roof is in much worst shape than mine.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
....My tiny brain tells me YOUR roof is in much worst shape than mine.
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So you agree that both are leaking?

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So you agree that both are leaking?
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I agree that dissenters in the US are seen by some as anti-American and I think that is in a lot of cases unfortunate and un-called for.

Would you agree that there are some who complain about the lack of freedom and democracy in the US who themselves hail from countries with dictators and enjoy very restricted freedoms? Yet any and all posts regarding their beloved homeland is all thumb-up and self-contragulatory. Reeeeks of hypocrisy.

So my reponse to the this thread: Liberation Begins at Home is - Yes it does. Your home.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *...
So my reponse to the this thread: Liberation Begins at Home is - Yes it does. Your home.
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I am sure people at "home" are working for that, but they are working in their own home not someone else's home.

Well WA posters sure aren't working on their own home, they continually complain about the US's well built structure, ignoring the huge strucural flaws of their own home.

Just so we know everyone's houses are made of glass but the US is the one throwing all missiles.

Hey Semi why don't you fix your leaky roof before worring about others... Go right at the top and start reading again it makes perfect sense.

P.S: Take 10 deep breaths before you start and don't worry we wont send you to N. Korea or Tibet to fix their leaky roofs.

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I agree that dissenters in the US are seen by some as anti-American and I think that is in a lot of cases unfortunate and un-called for.
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In America dissenters are called anti-American and they are arrested, defamed, taunted, threatened and humiliated if they dare to oppose this illegal war. While in Iraq anti-war (Iraqi) dissenters are butchered to death if they dare to oppose the American occupation (re: Mosul massacre). Is the American regime really interested in listening to free voices at home or abroad? No.

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ps; the only thing I would add is that not ALL in US are evil … there are some asses here and there … just like in every country … but this is a big country :slight_smile:

Whatever consequences dissenters receive in the US, their punishment is still much less severe than they receive in your neck of the woods. Aren't you worried about your own homes? Or does criticizing the big mansion on the hill make you feel better about your own little grass huts?

Seminole, it has been said that people criticize what they love most.

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Aren't you worried about your own homes?
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I keep hearing this nonsense rattling for a while now .. what makes you think some of these dissenting voices don’t call the US their home and are (in their way) trying to fix their ‘homes’ … Why is it hard for you to believe that people from other countries may have migrated here and now call US their home? After all, you or your parents also came from some ....ole … (and thus your name) …

AC

Before invading other countries for the freedom of its people, U.S. needs to be freed of this new class of rulers who have taken away the very thing America stood for - freedom!

Its sad that our beloved America is no more a place where there is freedom of speech!

Loads of nonsense. Where and when have the US discriminated dissenters? Can someone give a few examples? The examples in the article are not state persecuting the dissenters. Whom Laura Bush invites in the White House is her business (that's why it is called "invitation"). Visa a private business, so is the Mall. Same goes for other examples as well. Nowhere has State persecuted anyone because one is voicing a different opinion. It is sad that some people can't even grasp such a simple idea.

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Whatever consequences dissenters receive in the US, their punishment is still much less severe than they receive in your neck of the woods.
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Are you talking about the punishment that the Iraqi demonstrators got from US occupation terrorists the other day in Mosul? Or are you talking about the genocidal punishment that Native American's got at the hands of Anglo settlers/invaders got?

True that the State isn't directly against freedom of speech. The media in America is! The State itself is doing things in the world which even the United Nations and the whole world community doesen't approve!

Not paying any heed to what people in America are saying, is itself a supression.

They troops were fired upon Malik, or do you refuse to believe that part of the story?