Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
Apparently, some people are completely fine with seeing a blatant mocking of Islamic values -- such as a naked woman in a burqa -- and even have the guts to ask what was wrong.
How does that mock Islam or Islamic values? Please explain? The picture can be seen in various different ways, I have never found this picture insulting to Islam or Islamic values and I don't understand why I should find it offensive?
The picture simply means you don't need a burqa to cover yourself up modestly. You can wear a pair of trousers and shirt and can still be modest. Burqa is just a cultural thing like any other attire.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
Is she hindu or muslim?
the link is working now but i still don't get why you guys are getting so hyped about that pic or her article?
What part of that article do you think mocks Islam or Quran?
she is a Muslim from a deobandi family. I at least am not getting hyped up. The picture along with the article is just plain bashing of something a majority of people in Pakistan and alot of Muslims all over the world believe to be an integral part of faith. And this is just to spark another useless controversy and a divide b/w people which isn't needed at this time ! This is all am I saying.
Also am not liking this fact that whenever an anti-Islam, anti-pardah or gay rights article appears in print media...people say the media is free and everybody has a right to express his or her own opinion. But generally start mocking anyone who presents an idea in the light of the teachings in Islam terming them as the radical Mullahs. I have seen this a number of times. From reading Nadeem Farooq Pircha's articles to Marvi Sirmad's too.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
yeah but what zaid Hamid is doing is totally destructive.
She didn't say she doesn't care about Kashmiris (well in this video she didn't) and she said Iqbal had nothing to do with do qaumi nazriya, not Pakistan.
She's right in saying that Pakistan wasn't created on any religious or cultural differences, it was purely based on the dividing of some provinces based on the majority of muslims living in those areas.
Nobody takes Zaid Hamid seriously. We all know that! I am in no favor of him either. He is using the opposite to create a multitude of controversies too.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
she is a Muslim from a deobandi family. I at least am not getting hyped up. The picture along with the article is just plain bashing of something a majority of **people in Pakistan and alot of Muslims all over the world believe to be an integral part of faith. **And this is just to spark another useless controversy and a divide b/w people which isn't needed at this time ! This is all am I saying.
Also am not liking this fact that whenever an anti-Islam, anti-pardah or gay rights article appears in print media...people say the media is free and everybody has a right to express his or her own opinion. But generally start mocking anyone who presents an idea in the light of the teachings in Islam terming them as the radical Mullahs. I have seen this a number of times. From reading Nadeem Farooq Pircha's articles to Marvi Sirmad's too.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
How does that mock Islam or Islamic values? Please explain? The picture can be seen in various different ways, I have never found this picture insulting to Islam or Islamic values and I don't understand why I should find it offensive?
The picture simply means you don't need a burqa to cover yourself up modestly. You can wear a pair of trousers and shirt and can still be modest. Burqa is just a cultural thing like any other attire.
You might not find it offensive but hundreds of millions of people do. It is futile to talk with those whose minds are rotten as they will always retort to asking stupid questions even after seeing the burning of Quran or the most hateful caricatures of the Prophet.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
She's a muslim so why Zaid Hamid was calling her hindu?
lol in reply to SAFMA's comments about 'lal topi wala maskhara' ..he said he too could use words to describe her as 'bindi wali hindu' something like that.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
You might not find it offensive but hundreds of millions of people do. It is futile to talk with those whose minds are rotten as they will always retort to asking stupid questions even after seeing the burning of Quran or the most hateful caricatures of the Prophet.
Why is it offensive? Ans why are you comparing this picture with Quran and the Prophet?
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
she is a Muslim from a deobandi family. I at least am not getting hyped up. The picture along with the article is just plain bashing of something a majority of people in Pakistan and alot of Muslims all over the world believe to be an integral part of faith. And this is just to spark another useless controversy and a divide b/w people which isn't needed at this time ! This is all am I saying.
Also am not liking this fact that whenever an anti-Islam, anti-pardah or gay rights article appears in print media...people say the media is free and everybody has a right to express his or her own opinion. But generally start mocking anyone who presents an idea in the light of the teachings in Islam terming them as the radical Mullahs. I have seen this a number of times. From reading Nadeem Farooq Pircha's articles to Marvi Sirmad's too.
NFP is an ugly ranter at best. It would be an insult to journalism to call him a journalist when he even can't get his facts straight. More often than not, he has no clues about dates, people and events and has grave factual errors in his articles.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
you mean burqa is part of our faith?
'Pardah' is a part of our faith! And we know what the ruling on pardah is. People in the Middle east and even in the west take it as being clad in Abayas reaching their feet and wearing headscarfs. Fair enough. In Pakistan people take burqa as an equivalent to Abayas of the Middle East. It's more or less the same thing. Now burqa again has various types: shuttlecock burqas (i am sure they would be very uncomfortable), the ordinary burqas etc.
We can argue that why wear a burqa when underneath we are clad in a modest shalwar kameez. Again a subjective question: I ask why do people in Saudi Arabia when going for Umrah/Hajj wear Abayas when underneath they are completely clad in a modest trouser and shirt.
Covering of the face/veil is again another point of difference b/w various scholars. (I don't agree to that though). But our knowledge is very limited so we can't argue over this. However what we are talking about here i.e.a Burqa depicts the 'symbol' of Pardah the same way a turban is a symbol for Sikhism. I might not be in favor of burqa at all. Especially the complete head to toe covering..however I can't mock at someone who wears one because that's the way she interpreted the 'pardah' or 'hijab' in Islam.
And now the picture in Marvi's blog would mean that anybody who is wearing a burqa could be taunted about on being immoral from underneath in a figurative sense obviously. See this is what I think isn't right and can spark controversies.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
It's just not about NFP. It's about alot of other journalists and bloggers from various newspapers such as the Express Tribune , Dawn etc. This alarming trend on the rise is what gives me the qualms.
What would happen after like say a decade or so. People would start stoning the mosques when an Imam would give Azaan as he would be a fundamentalist, extremist terrorist blind Mullah?
Molvis are already equivalent to radical people these days. We know there are weird fake types like Aamir Liaquat and a lot more people propogating the wrong thing completely. However we have a majority who are God fearing yet very educated and decent scholars. But they all are being weighed in the same scale which is the scary thought - thus giving Islam a bad name after all !
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
But anyone wearing anything can be taunted about. And Burqa is not symbol of Islam like turban is a symbol of sikhism. That’s what she said in her blog. I don’t know what’s so offensive about it?
If anything, this picture should be offensive to burqa clad women,
instead of the pic posted in Sirmed’s blog.
And we all know that in Lahore twaifs (prostitutes) used to wear black burqas (they probably still do) but does that mean anything? No.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
About the whole video…this is all i have to say
“3 idiots”…each one of the 3 people in that video are equally twisted, retarded and stupid…
ok…then why would muslims of these area need a separate country?? what exactly distinguished the muslims from other people of india besides their religion??
if that was the case…it seemed Jinnah and others just did so much to create a country…just for the heck of it…
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
It's just not about NFP. It's about alot of other journalists and bloggers from various newspapers such as the Express Tribune , Dawn etc. This alarming trend on the rise is what gives me the qualms.
What would happen after like say a decade or so. People would start stoning the mosques when an Imam would give Azaan as he would be a fundamentalist, extremist terrorist blind Mullah?
Molvis are already equivalent to radical people these days. We know there are weird fake types like Aamir Liaquat and a lot more people propogating the wrong thing completely. However we have a majority who are God fearing yet very educated and decent scholars. But they all are being weighed in the same scale which is the scary thought - thus giving Islam a bad name after all !
The good thing is that people like NFP has no credibility and they only cater to a small minority.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
'Pardah' is a part of our faith! And we know what the ruling on pardah is. People in the Middle east and even in the west take it as being clad in Abayas reaching their feet and wearing headscarfs. Fair enough. In Pakistan people take burqa as an equivalent to Abayas of the Middle East. It's more or less the same thing. Now burqa again has various types: shuttlecock burqas (i am sure they would be very uncomfortable), the ordinary burqas etc.
We can argue that why wear a burqa when underneath we are clad in a modest shalwar kameez. Again a subjective question: I ask why do people in Saudi Arabia when going for Umrah/Hajj wear Abayas when underneath they are completely clad in a modest trouser and shirt.
Covering of the face/veil is again another point of difference b/w various scholars. (I don't agree to that though). But our knowledge is very limited so we can't argue over this. However what we are talking about here i.e.a Burqa depicts the 'symbol' of Pardah the same way a turban is a symbol for Sikhism. I might not be in favor of burqa at all. Especially the complete head to toe covering..however I can't mock at someone who wears one because that's the way she interpreted the 'pardah' or 'hijab' in Islam.
And now the picture in Marvi's blog would mean that anybody who is wearing a burqa could be taunted about on being immoral from underneath in a figurative sense obviously. See this is what I think isn't right and can spark controversies.
It's useless arguing with people like Hareem. People who are mentioned in the Quran with blackened hearts.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
The picture you posted is an incident that brought the whole Muslim community to shame. We know that. I agree with the prostitutes bit too. But then again who are we to say the person underneath a burqa/abaya is of so and so morals. The picture, the blog and alot of things have been taken offensive by many people already as is apparent from the comments in the blog as well as on Marvi’s twitter. The abuse that is going on is sick honestly.
Majority of people in Pakistan need to go through a rehaul of morals and tameez unfortunately
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
It's useless arguing with people like Hareem. People who are mentioned in the Quran with blackened hearts.
Now you are being a bit offensive Murfid. Nobody has a right to judge anybody like that. It's just a normal discussion for heaven's sake. Do not take it to personal levels please.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
the whole procedure of partition took place within 5 weeks so it proves it was a decision made in haste by Nehru and Jinnah, Britishers obviously instigated it. And Maulana Maddudi was also against partition so having difference of opinion on do qaumi nazriya is nothing new.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
Someone up there said things like that picture appear in print media. Im sorry sir, but someone's blog or personal website is NOT print media. Dont want to see what offensive views a person might hold? Dont go to their website. They are not broadcasting it on a mass medium. You lot talk about something being offensive to most Pakistanies, I wager most Pakistanies would have never heard of this woman. She is a niche writer and activist, and even though she has a column in either Dawn or Daily Times, she has never put that picture up there. So the majority of Pakistanies taking offence at that picture are infact going out of their way to take offence at it. Stop being so ****ing disingenuous.
Re: Liberal Pakistani activist Marvi Sirmed takes on Zaid Hamid
The picture you posted is an incident that brought the whole Muslim community to shame. We know that. I agree with the prostitutes bit too.** But then again who are we to say the person underneath a burqa/abaya is of so and so morals.** The picture, the blog and alot of things have been taken offensive by many people already as is apparent from the comments in the blog as well as on Marvi's twitter. The abuse that is going on is sick honestly.
Majority of people in Pakistan need to go through a rehaul of morals and tameez unfortunately :(
Marvi didn't say that either. I'm not supporting Marvi as I don't know her nor I usually read her blog but in that particular article she didn't mock Islam or Quran.
