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you guys are joking around so much…OP doesn’t wanna come back…
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naah, they’re just sperarting wheat from chaff. kamzoor dil walo ke lie ye jaga sahi nahi
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sometimes you just need to let all of it be ground together…
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Let us start with Mr. Hunt. Can you hand me the mortar and pestle?
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liberalism is liberating your thought and not liberating skin (or showing it). Just saying, you guys can continue the rant
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Dear OP,
Are you by any chance a Mirpuri Pakistani?
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Anyway. I love it how Pakistani Westerners love to rant about how screwed up the Arab world is and how it is in so much sht, yet for some reason these same Arabs/Persians become our absolute role models when it comes to showing skin. This is some serious dumbing down of the masses when you have Muslim kids confusing liberalism with wearing shorts and tank tops. This is literally how bad the standards are.
But just to let the OP know. Shalwar Kameez is Pakistan’s national dress, and maybe we are quite nationalistic when it comes to dressing. It has nothing to do with Islam, it is another thing that a standard shalwar kameez fulfills all the basic requirements of modesty in Islam. You may also wish to know that Pakistanis actually love their shalwar kameez, and duppata is an ultimate accessory. Religion aside, I have seen in UK Indian women wear shalwar kameez without dupatta, and needless to say they look absolutely ridiculous, so tacky and dowdy. Nothing about them screamed freedom to me. But then again, just like French people have their very own fashion rules, Pakistani people too have their Dos and Don’ts of fashion and style.
Also, so much for throwing tantrums about Pakistani people not showing ankles. FYI, the capri pant shalwar was quite a big thing in Pakistani fashion two/three or even more years ago. I have seen so many girls in Lahore roaming around on the street in capri shalwar which showed good amount of shin area. Not to mention the sleeveless trend which is still so in. So I don’t know what you’re on about.
Lastly, the kind of shalwar kameezain you see Pakistani girls rocking at the weddings worth thrice the amount of tacky prom dresses you see Arab women wearing at their weddings. Even the elitest of elite Pakistani weddings taking place outside of the country, you’d still oh so liberal guests dressed in super expensive designer shalwar kameez instead of prom dresses. That probably shows that we Pakistani genuinely love our national dress, and we actually rock that look! It’s super stylish and super creative and super personalised look and it suits us perfectly.
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This was my trump player.
Geynd busters ki phati
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different country, different culture, different way of clothing.
Plus, where Pakistan was once India which means it’s culture, clothing, thinking is probably that similar of India’s.
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Yes, look at OP’s language and look at yours.. It’s her who’s ranting, isn’t it 
It IS possible to defend your position without constantly being rude and putting down others in case you hadn’t noticed..
Implying Arabs just wear “prom dresses” and shalwar khameez worn by Indian women without a dupatta is “tacky”, “dowdy” and "ridiculous’ is being just as nasty and judgmental as those who look down on girls who only wear traditional Pakistani clothing..
Is it too much to just live and let live because THAT is what I’m sure OP means when she’s talking about being liberal.. It’s not simply about wanting to show skin, it’s about having the freedom to choose.. A girl should be able to dress at home or amongst friends as she wishes, just as another girl should be able to cover up more if that’s what she wants..
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Dude, go ahead and turn up to Pakistani weddings wearing chaddies and tank tops to make statement about liberalism and freedom. Just don’t try to constantly moan and groan about whole country’s culture and traditions. Simple as that. Shalwar kameez is Pakistan’s national dress. It a highly valued and confidently worn attire, it holds more nationalistic attachment for the population than national language itself. It is an absolutely cherished part of Pakistani cultural aesthetics. So instead of blindly preaching why Pakistanis are not like Arab women who wears shorts and tank tops at weddings and at home, it might help to just finally and for once understand, respect and appreciate Pakistani culture and its sense of identity, on its own! Perhaps we are indeed part of Asian subcontinent and we are bit too fond of our native dressing code, for now.
And yes, Deeba, maybe that was a rant from my side, and OP wasn’t actually ranting nor I was thinking about her. But I have seen far too many rants on this subject and I am sure you are all too well versed in that. 
Indeed, shalwar kameez worn without dupatta looks ridiculous, dowdy and stupid. It’s my honest fashion opinion just like I find it ridiculous when I see heavy duty smoky eyes worn with bright red lipstick. Oh and I also find heavy dose of bright neon colours in one outfit quite tragic. I also can’t stand young girls carrying Queen’s style granny bags. It’s painful. Yes you may now cry about my judgemental and nasty fashion opinions.
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And I seriously have no idea what is this obsession with knowing and regulating what people should wear at home? Really, how can anyone authorise or campaign about what people should or shouldn’t wear at home. It is common sense that people wear and can wear whatever they want at home. All families have their own rules, everyone has their own comfort level and sense personal off duty style.
I mean my friend lives just down the road. She’s at home right now, I know this much. But whether she’s roaming around in her PJ’s, sleeping gown, jeans, blazer or shorts…I have no way of finding out nor I even bloody care. She’s in her home. Why so much obsession with people’s dress code in their own home? Why do some people want them to bare it all or cover it all? Who cares…
Surprisingly, no one has ever asked me ever whether at home I waste my time on the couch in shorts or in burqa…do girls actually talk about that or I’m missing out on something?
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My lungi and banyaan like your post
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Oh dear…you paindoo, backward, Al Bakistani.
But seriously Shak, do you men ask each other what colour pants/the length and what size of banyaan you guys wear at home? I mean is this part of your socialising talk? I wonder if there are any Pakistani men who wear sherwani at home…or imagine wearing lungi and blazer at home.
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Chatting about someone else’s chaddi wouldn’t be too high on anyone else’s list I’d imagine 
need @partyslims for more jokes here
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You’d be surprised. Looks like some women do talk about this. No I’m joking.
By the way Shak, another serious question - do you men get any brownie points or pat on the back for baring at all or it’s just for us women? I mean do you guys say to each other, hey man look at me, I’m so cool, I roam around in my house in red chaddies and blue banyaan - envy me, talk about me, please!
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^haha
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Isn’t there a word for those type of Desi men?
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Wearing fewer or Western clothes isn’t going to make anyone more liberal (has anyone seen those gypsy shows??! The whole lot barely wears anything but regressive as hell). The whole Eastern women wearing Western clothing because it’s better or smarter is such a self loathing imperial concept. It’s a mentality most brown folks still live with because that kind of prejudice is programmed into the fabric of society. Can’t blame the op but they should understand how problematic it is to call something better because it sits in well into a Western mold. We should be talking about how women should be able to choose their own identity (which clothing is a part of without judging someone).
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bell Rogue will never open a thread in General. 