Liberal Islam

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Re: Liberal Islam

@psyah

Peace bro X2

This philosophy of cutting out a scholarly middle is shared by the Salafis.

Peace man- aspects of my viewpoints may be philosophy shared by druids, rastafarians, zoroastrians, and the jedi. I can’t help it.

@psyah

Effectively it produces many religious interpretations and that causes problems.

amigo…the bigger problems are caused due to religious interpretations by those who consider themselves as scholars with influence or following, not your avg dude on the street.

@psyah

The direct connection to Allah (SWT) is a fact - The problem is that we have confused the clergy in Islam as intermediaries … The correct position is guide and servants … the ulema are there to serve the people not there to represent the people before God. Their role is important - if we throw them out on the false notion that we don’t need intermediaries then we will be removing ourselves from the assistance they give us.

No, its not that people in general confused clergy as intermediaries, its a position that the clergy wants to be in, position themselves to be in…in pretty much every religion. They have made it into a business…essentially reverting to what they were before jesus pbuh overturned the tables at the temple of Muhammad pbuh struggled against the commercial nature of kaaba which was a money making venture of the Quraish

Their correct position is guide and servant, yes. Thats not what many are like…putting themselves on a pedestal and acting as something that they are not and should not be.

A guide needs to be knowledgeable, aware, enlightened… that guide I can follow. The ignorant narrow minded ones screaming a looped mental track of hellfire and brimstone, political rhetoric in microphones, spouting off divisive statements for other religions, and with other schools of thought..I have no time for. I can only learn what not to do by observing them.

Of those who are not like that personality wise, the question of knowledge comes. I can not discuss interest with someone who has only a rudimentary understanding of financial instruments. I can’t discuss zakat and 401Ks with someone who has no understanding of taxation, investments and all.

@psyah

Also we have a deep need to form a relationship with RasoolAllah (SAW) - the danger in seeking directness with Allah (SWT) as has been the case is to circumvent the teachings and in turn the honour, position and rank of RasoolAllah (SAW).

I dont need a maulvi to form a relationship with the prophet, especially a type which can not differentiate between time and place, culture and religion, and personal preferences versus personal example.

Having a good guide is always helpful.
But its better to not have a guide than have a bad, incompetent, self serving guide.
Too many people are following the latter kind. If I can’t find a good one, I am better off on my own than be misled by a bad one.