Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

  1. He has gone after others. Lets look at today’s Dawn Newspaper:
    DAWN.COM | Front Page | Court adjourns hearing in Sharif corruption cases

Or from a few days ago:
DAWN.COM | Front Page | NRO beneficiary sent to jail from courtroom: SC gives NAB chief 24-hour ultimatum

So you see the court system is going after everybody.

As for him being a convicted criminal. The Swiss courts convicted him. He is in fact - in reality a criminal. The fact that all you PPP supporters refuse to accept this is frankly amazing. How jahil do you have to be to not accept reality?

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Convicted criminal is ** N$** .
Sentenced after trial by honorable court **of Pakistan.
This was an act of pressure to Presedent to get more role on appointment of judges.
They do it often.
power is their aim.
And I know power for money only.
Anyone have a friend at Quetta ?
**Please try to know some truth.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Amazing. When did I say that NS is not a convicted criminal? The difference Pasha is that I consider both these *******s convicted criminals. You only play politics to ensure that our convicted criminal of a president is a savior for the nation.

Our one is not convicted. He belongs to a Party consists brave and committed people.
I myself don't count President Zardari a person of the level of Bhutto or Benazir and he made many severe mistakes after B.B. but I still believe that the PPP is only party which can do some thing for Pakistan.
That is our tragedy that our leaders are killed or thrown away and now ,,,,
*Hamara guzarah grade 2 type Qiadat say hay.
*

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

How is he not convicted? The Swiss courts state he was guilty, thus convicted and ordered to pay restitution.

Zardari is a pathetic criminal who is President only because he used the dead body of his wife to jump into the seat. He does not deserve to be there.

He was given a suspended sentence unheard and after an appeal the case gone for trial so he is deemed to be innocent till it is proved .
and about his presidency, So don't kill any public leader in future to avoid this.
Example; Charges leveled against Iftekhar by Mush are never decided but he was sacked. He was restored on the bases of a defective order and he is deemed to be innocent and working as CJ.
The matter is still pending. Where only God knew.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Again no. You kill someone. You are convicted. You go to jail. Even though you appealed you are still in jail as a convicted criminal.

Unheard is not a legal defense, never has been never will be. Check the ruling on Al Bashir on the Darfur War crimes in the ICC. He was unheard yet convicted. So the same rules apply.

Again NO.
War crime laws. Special Laws and Court Martial are different things and common law is some thing else. You have not seen the will of CJ. He is asking for trial not for putting him in Jail. Please read about the matter of the son of CJ again. His man Ansar opened that once.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Since when are war crime laws different? Also back up your claim with actual proof. And what special laws? Zardari was deemed guilt and convicted of a crime by a normal Swiss Court which adheres to all international laws and statutes.

I have yet to see you prove at anytime he is in fact innocent. Which you really can't.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

You are saying him convicted so burden of proof lies on you. However let others say some thing. We are repeating same arguments since long.
If taking oath on PCO is not bad and he is washed only due to great struggle of PPP and Benazir Bhutto Shaheed than
Why they are acting as previous.
Save Pakistan.
We are still facing judicial murder of Bhutto.
Mind it that this time S.C. is still without any Sindhi or Baluchi speaking judge.
Please read this all together.

Resigned AG meets CJ

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Who is with him extended for two years.
Registrar Faqeer also extended for two years.

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and
SCBA president says he is not agent of CJP

by going after everybody? surely you meant going only after politicians, right? Nawaz Sharif is also a politician - not a general - if I remember correctly. politicians are easy targets. the soft targets. you do a little drama in a court ranting about corruption, ask them about how many surahs there are and the multiplication table, etc. and all the Musharraf facebook fanboys, Zaid Hamid groupies and Shahid Mossad fairies collectively orgasm as they do on this forum. how many generals and bureaucrats has the SC gone after? has the SC gone after Malik Qayyum, Shareefuddin Pirzada?

what do convictions mean in this country anyway? has Musharraf been convicted of anything? how many generals have been convicted of Bugti’s murder? has Musharraf been charged with the murder of Syed Hammad Raza? has Musharraf been charged with the murder of the victim of May 12th? does that mean Musharraf wasn’t behind all these crimes and is an innocent little lamb?

and it is not jaahil to think critically with a fresh perspective about things you were taught since you were a kid. but it is absolutely jaahil AND infantile to always repeat the same old childish rants about convicted criminal, infinite corruption, etc. try thinking with a clear mind for once. take a step back and think critically about the stories you’ve heard about Zardari. things like he tied a bomb to a man’s leg and told him to take money out of his bank account and give it to him. I mean for ffs who writes this kind of bollywood style bakwaas?

and even though for you everything is a pissing contest, I’m going to say this once for the record. I am not a jiyala. I support all parties. I have respect for PPP, ANP and PML-N. but yes I do find PPP’s ideology the easiest to stomach. at the same time, on this forum itself I have argued with PPP supporters about the need to restore the judiciary and not play games with it. this is the last time I’m going to say it. I don’t feel the need to defend myself against accusations of being a jiyala but there it is for the record.

anyway, back to the SC. like I said, go read/watch the views of all leading lawyers - who were leaders of the movement for the restoration of the judiciary. they’re all criticizing the SC’s behavior. the SC is stepping out of its bounds. Musharraf was not prosecuted because of his immunity according to SC supporters. why is the same immunity not extended to Zardari? the SC judges are rude and unprofessional. Khalil Ramday - who seems like he is a jackass - said to Rasheed Rizvi (a man who was the leader of the Karachi lawyers in the movement) why he was defending a man like Ahmed Riaz Sheikh? like WTF!!! how can judge say something like that? I thought the accused was innocent until proven guilty. has Ramday not already condemned the accused as being guilty without even allowing him to plead his case? is that not bias? is Ramday even fit to hear the case? seems pretty biased to me.

and the same Ramday was asking Dasti to recite the multiplication table, how many surahs etc. honestly WTF again!!! Dasti was obviously an idiot. and he deserved to be thrown out. completely agreed. but why did he humiliate the man like that? I know if someone talked to me like that in real life, I would walk away from the jackass instead of listening to bakwaas like that.

and need I remind you that this Ramday was the same man who was appointed as an adhoc judge after retiring. this is yet another inconsistent, unprofessional step by the SC. instead of bringing in new blood and making fresh appointment, Iftikhar Chauhdry reapppointed Ramday. what is the obsession with this one man? will the SC fall apart after Ramday? are there no honest men left in Pakistan that can be appointed to the SC? just shows that SC talks a good game but doesn’t walk it in its own affairs. instead of doing the principled thing, it has been making decisions on personal likes and dislikes.

even though it is much more fun to bleat non-stop about corruption, etc, please try to understand that this is about much more than one case. this is about the SC losing its focus and behaving in a manner not worthy of its stature. don’t believe me. listen to Kurd, Tariq Mehmood, Asma Jehangir - all leading lights of the lawyers movement who argued for and sacrificed for the restoration of the same SC they criticize today.

when Fauzia Wahab used to rip apart Iftikhar Chauhdry, Ramday as being more interested in self-survival and their own naukri, it used to boil my blood. but I’m sad to say that she was right after all. the whole movement was a hoax. it was led by great men like Aitzaz Ahsan, Tariq Mehmood, Kurd, etc for a just cause and for the right reasons. but they were betrayed. and the averages joes like me who believed them were also betrayed.

Already proved it. So did the NYtimes and the BBC.

You stated they were going after Zardari only. I showed you otherwise. Now you change the narrative again. Look ranting and raving doesn't help your case when the justice system is finally working in the case of these corrupt *******s.

Zardari is a convicted criminal. No matter what you say that is the truth.

is life just one long flame war for you? do you ever things about things in a calculated manner with an open mind? or is posting infantile rants with LMAO, QFMT, etc the only goals?

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

Yup pretty much. Its more entertaining when people continue to change their view point every few pages as they get facts in their face.

I don't think so. He was in pakistani jails for nine years without any trial and none of his cases ever proved. Tumhain srif Zardari kyo nazar aata hay? Is say brhay chor kuttay kha kar kuch mar gaay hain aor kuch zinda hain. Tumhari kya Zardari se Khandani dushmani hay? Why you are so persona against him?

Do you know that the person who sent reference to Swiss was also a big daakoo enjoying his life in Qatar by installing factory manufacturing prefabricate concrete parts using loot money from Pakistan. I hope he was not your relative.....

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

while I can understand not taking an online forum too seriously, but I do have question the idea of so much arrogance and for thinking how much smarter you are than everything else. these sort of things catch up with you.

and what is interesting for me to see is people repeating the same old stuff they've been taught since they were kids without ever trying to use their minds in a critical fashion and questioning things they were taught. especially when they are fully capable of doing so. but it's interesting in a sad sorta way.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

sigh Samb its pretty simple. The Swiss convicted the Zardari. Hell I defined what convicted means. I provided links to the articles that said he was convicted. I did everything short of providing the damn judge.

If you even then don't believe Zardari was convicted by the Swiss courts, what am I supposed to think? You guys are desi Einsteins or that you can't read simple English?

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

CM, you're a veteran of this infantile ranting. please continue... but this is a waste of my time.

Re: Letter sent to Swiss AG to reopen Zardari cases: NAB

And who is flaming now? Zardari is a convicted criminal. The fact that you can't accept that is amazing.