Letter exchange b/w Salman Ahmed and Bilal Musharraf (merged)

The first letter is from Bilal Musharraf to Salman Ahmed. Bilal started it by replying to a public e-mail on Salman’s article against emergency that was published in Washington Post. So yeah I guess Bilal has opened a can of worms for himself. lol


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Here are some more replies on the recipients who recieved the email:

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*Dear Mr Bilal Musharraf, *
*I don't know you personally and have absolutely nothing personally against you or your father. *
*Since the civil society and those understanding law i.e. lawyers are up against the way things have unfolded in our beloved nation, I have decided to write to you. *
*Can you please care to answer the following questions ( no I am not on any agenda nor any foreign govt has paid me to protest against your father, I am just an ordinary citizen) *

*1. Are we children of lesser God that your father while addressing western audience time and again declares that this country cannot have western way of democracy *
*2. What divine right he has to give himself extension after extension what agenda he has to finish or is it personal lust of power he seems to have *
*3. What personal grudge he has against civil society while fighting a war on terror against fundamentalists *
*4. Do you think it is possible in western society (barring Bush) to govern a country like your father is doing. He is making amendments after amendment to keep himself at hem of affairs courtesy, Malik Qayyum, Peerzada and many more like them *
*5. A man is known by the company he keeps, look at the people he is surrounded by Big arm Wasi Zafar, Sher afghan, Shujjat, Sheikh Rashid, Ahmad Raza Qasuri. They are national embarrassment. Can you put your hand on your heart and say your father could not find any bright, intellectual patriotic Pakistan amongst 160 million people or he convenient has surrounded by pathetic, sycophants who say only things he wants to hear. THEY ARE AN INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE. *
*6. Why has democracy not been allowed to flourish. I want these corrupt politicians to be voted out by not hounded by ISI, NAB. Why are Nab-wanted politicians like Saleh Hayat, Sherpao in your father's cabinet. I am not for any current politicians but like a child learns to walk and falters many time before start walking, I want people 160 millions of them to learn to walk and vote them out. For God sake give these people a chance to walk and learn. *
*Bad democracy is better than good dictatorship. We are not serfs or subhumans, we can learn too you know. Imagine if your father while he was teaching you how to walk had treated you with similar disdain and impatience *

*We want rule of law. *
*I as an ordinary citizen can understand the contradictions in your father's statement no matter how much links his personal ambition with national interest he fails to do so. *
*I am 45 years old and have seen a few eras in my life. I had looked for heroes for my time and couldnot find any until recently. I am proud to live in this time and witness scores of lawyers, judges, students ordinary civil society, media anchor people standing up for one thing rule of law. My nation has a hope. This hope is not from privileged people in power but the above mentioned heroes. *
*Dear Sir, I will not be surprised if suddenly I am hounded by your agencies and may end up with renal failure. (isn't it the fate of many brave men who dare to criticize your father) *
*But remember, history is very cruel and Khuda ki lathee bay awaz hoti hay. have some perspective and comes of delusions and paranoia. zaban-e-khalq ko naqaar-e-khuda samjho *
*I salute Salman Ahmad for his stand. Music has come alive again. John Lennon will be proud of you. *
*As far as Mr President is concerned "Grave yard of this world if full of indispensible people" Sirf allah ka naam raya ga. *
*Best wishes *
*Nighat *
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> Bravo Salman- and thank you for speaking out for millions of us Pakistanis who feel exactly the same way about what is happening in Pakistan today. Please keep raising the issue at every forum and every opportunity you get. You owe it as much to the principled men of judiciary, the courageous lawyers and our national heroes as to the millions of suffering Pakistanis whose rights have been so whimsically trampled by the blind lust for power of one man. *
*> *
*> Murad Khan *
*> Karachi

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*The public emails made their way to the press... *

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Junoon guitarist, Musharraf’s son clash on the net

Salman termed Musharraf as a dictator and Pharaoh provoking Bilal to call him selfish
PTI
Islamabad: War over Pak President Pervez Musharraf has gone on to the cyberspace, and taking the sword by his side is his son Bilal. Bilal is facing friend turned foe rock band Junoon’s guitarist Salman Ahmed on the other side of the line.
Bilal and Salman are clashing in cyberspace over the imposition of emergency in Pakistan. Ahmed, who was till recently was a supporter of Musharraf’s policies especially his stand against terrorism and his vision of enlightened moderation, turned against the president after he imposed emergency in the country.
Salman termed Musharraf as a dictator and Pharaoh, which provoked an angry response from Bilal. In his letters, which have now been taken off most websites, Bilal has accused Ahmed who he says was a close friend and a spiritual guide of sorts since 1998 of indulging in venomous rhetoric against his father.
Bilal further writes: “If Salman feels the need to neutralise the burden of prior public contact with my father with his venomous rhetoric, I find it not just unjust but truly unfair. Looking back today, I am unable to decide whether his motivation for prior public overtures towards my father were selfless or selfish in nature.”
“No one is perfect, I realise. However, to the extent one can, one must try to reduce one’s integrity gap which someone defined aptly as the difference between lived values and stated values,” he said.
In his response, New York-based Ahmed wrote that despite their close friendship, staying silent under the present conditions that Pakistan is undergoing, is no longer an option.
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I think i wrote them to my friend. Some one just changed the name. :(
Ps: source plz?

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aww.. next time don't write such letters to your friend, see now bilal has to pay the price ;-)

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I will watch next time but were is the source? Or you just spend hours to made this up.

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^ I don’t think Lusi has that kinda time :cb:

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I feel sorry for Bilal. Living in the US he knows what rule of law is and how important its for the country, however, his father being the dictator he has no choice, but to defend him.
http://nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2007/5/index13.php

Musharraf’s son defends father in cyberspace

Our monitoring desk
PRESIDENT Pervez Musharraf’s son Bilal and rock band Junoon’s guitarist Salman Ahmed, who till recently were good pals, are now clashing in cyberspace over the imposition of emergency in Pakistan, reports Times of India.
Salman, who was a supporter of Musharraf’s policies especially his stand against terrorism and his vision of ‘enlightened moderation’, has been prolific on the cyberspace, calling the President a ‘dictator’, since the imposition of emergency on November 3. This provoked an angry response from Bilal. In his letters, which have now been taken off most websites, Bilal has accused Salman Ahmed who he says was a close friend and a spiritual guide of sorts since 1998 - of indulging in ‘venomous rhetoric’ against his father.
“If Salman feels the need to neutralise the burden of prior public contact with my father with his venomous rhetoric, I find it not just unjust but truly unfair.
Looking back today, I am unable to decide whether his motivation for prior public overtures towards my father were selfless or selfish in nature,” Bilal wrote. “No one is perfect, I realise. However, to the extent one can, one must try to reduce one’s integrity gap which someone defined aptly as the difference between lived values and stated values,” he said.
In his response, New York-based Salman wrote that despite their close friendship, “staying silent under the present conditions that Pakistan is undergoing, is no longer an option”.

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Edit: It was not the article that was sent to the stanford e-mail but the news that Salman will be dedicating his performance at the Nobel Peace Prize cermony to lawyers movement, Pakistan civil society, students, media, and human rights activists. Bilal replied to that mass e-mail which was forwarded to Salman. Salman then decided to only respond to the public part of Bilal’s e-mail that why he no longer supports Musharraf. Later this mass e-mail was forwarded to rest of the world by Standford students. It was/is all over the net and later made it to the news. I really don’t need to make up such news.

Anyway, you can check Junoon’s official website for further refrence:

or the following news link:
http://nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2007/5/index13.php

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wow!
How do you guys get these emails ? :D
Can someone let me know the email addresses for both of these gentlemen (by PM perhaps)?
I would also like to sermon :p

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^ Tumhare iraadey sahi nahi lag rahe :p

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hhl stop flooding here go back to gupshup forum.:snooty:

Re: Letter exchange b/w Salman Ahmed and Bilal Musharraf

Salmans response :K: Good to see rock stars, celebrities taking a different stance on Musharrafs policy. Some people have understand (finally!), what It needs to live in a free country. Many Pakistanis though (since he was great friend with Bilal) would blindely support him and his father. Regardless of the pain he had caused Pakistanis.

Nevertheless I can't blame Bilal either, he is Dictators son. I propably would have done the sane,If my father would be in Mushy shoes (thanks god HE IS NOT).

Lusi, yet again great thread :)

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Great thread Lusi....

Good to see Salman showing day light to the son of most unpopular dictator in the history of Pakistan.....

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I like to extend that beautiful thread with following link:

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Thanks Ali for that slide show/pics. It show people of Pakistan know exactly what going. Only Mushrraf's blind supporters don't see that. :)

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I am in gupshup forum. Tum ne abhi flooding dekhi hi kahaN hai. I rarely post in PA, Religion etc (this doesn’t mean I don’t read). Jab yeh website aap ki apni jageer ho jaye gi, that’ll be a different case then :slight_smile:

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its someones rear. presumably a person who thinks salman ahmed can sing.

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:hehe:

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Thanks for sharing lusi:

Hats off to Salman. More and more people are standing up to the brutality of this third rate dictator.

*We want rule of law. *
I as an ordinary citizen can understand the contradictions in your father's statement no matter how much links his personal ambition with national interest he fails to do so. *
*I am 45 years old and have seen a few eras in my life. I had looked for heroes for my time and couldnot find any until recently. I am proud to live in this time and witness scores of lawyers, judges, students ordinary civil society, media anchor people standing up for one thing rule of law. My nation has a hope. This hope is not from privileged people in power but the above mentioned heroes. *
**Dear Sir, I will not be surprised if suddenly I am hounded by your agencies and may end up with renal failure. (isn't it the fate of many brave men who dare to criticize your father) *

*But remember, history is very cruel and Khuda ki lathee bay awaz hoti hay. have some perspective and comes of delusions and paranoia. zaban-e-khalq ko naqaar-e-khuda samjho *
I salute Salman Ahmad for his stand. Music has come alive again. John Lennon will be proud of you. *
*As far as Mr President is concerned "Grave yard of this world if full of indispensible people" Sirf allah ka naam raya ga. *
*Best wishes *
*Nighat