Today I was reading another thread and one Guppy Teelo e Aftab wrote down beard is a must/compulsary.
How true is that claim.
As far as I know its not farz.
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Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth that clearly state this, and because of the general application of texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar. One of these reports is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.” According to another report: “Trim your moustaches and let your beards grow.” There are other hadeeth which convey the same meaning, which is to leave the beard as it is and let it grow long, without shaving, plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm reported that there was scholarly consensus that it is an obligation (fard) to trim the moustache and let the beard grow. He quoted a number of ahaadeeth as evidence, including the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does not remove any of his moustache is not one of us.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi). Ibn Hazm said in al-Furoo’: “This is the way of our colleagues *.”
Is it haraam (to shave it)? Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard. Imaam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: “It is forbidden to shave the beard, and no one does this except men who are effeminate” i.e., those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard (reported by Muslim from Jaabir). It is not permitted to remove any part of the beard because of the general meaning of the texts which forbid doing so.
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Its not a farz like Salaat. But it is a farz.
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Its not a farz like Salaat. But it is a farz.
Explain Hareem, I understand it as if its not right but still right.
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In his book Al Tamheed this dude mentioned if it was his opinion or any definate study he carried out for this. I totally disagree to this part of the post.*
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Ok, I just got it from the website, not my opinion shrugs
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Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The Qur’aan, Sunnah and ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus) all indicate that we must differ from the kuffaar in all aspects and not imitate them, because imitating them on the outside will make us imitate them in their bad deeds and habits, and even in beliefs, which will result in befriending them in our hearts, just as loving them in our hearts will lead to imitating them on the outside. Al-Tirmidhi reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us. Do not imitate the Jews and Christians.” According to another version: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad) ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of the person who plucked his beard.
After reading it once more some more questions popped in my mind.
"Not following kuffar" how far it goes, I mean it will be totally impossible to live in the current era if we stop using anything which kuffar use. This to me is totally impracticle.
I don't know the authencity of this hadees can somebody conform.
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Today I was reading another thread and one Guppy Teelo e Aftab wrote down beard is a must/compulsary.
How true is that claim.
As far as I know its not farz.
LB:
Question for you:
Are you clear on Tawheed (Monotheism of Allah) and Muhammad SAW as the last messenger?
If not then:
Lets worry about the foundation of the building before we worry about how tall it will be and how many chandeliers it will have.
May Allah SWT guide all of us to the right path. (ameen)
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LB: Question for you: Are you clear on Tawheed (Monotheism of Allah) and Muhammad SAW as the last messenger? If not then: Lets worry about the foundation of the building before we worry about how tall it will be and how many chandeliers it will have.
May Allah SWT guide all of us to the right path. (ameen)
Yes/Maybe is the answer for your question. I don't carry baggage my friend. I will be answerable of my short comming if any.
BTW height of the building is always in consideration before making the base (you know weight capacities and material limitations)
Thanks for your participation anyway. :)
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Growing a beard is encouraged, but it is not mandatory in Islam as far as I know. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had reasons for his time only, more then 1400 years ago. Islam is a rational religion and growing beards can actually cause trouble to muslims who live in the west today. The holy Quran says nothing about growing board and mandatory. It was only mentioned in the Sayings of our prophet (pbuh)
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Yes/Maybe is the answer for your question. I don't carry baggage my friend. I will be answerable of my short comming if any. BTW height of the building is always in consideration before making the base (you know weight capacities and material limitations)
Thanks for your participation anyway. :)
Its upto you what you take from an example. You can try and understand the point behind it or look away. Its your choice.
Beard, hijab, etc. are secondary and tertiary issues. This was the point.
I am not an architect. Rather I tried to use the example that the Prophet SAW used for the 5 pillars of Islam and apply the building example here.
You and others confused need to make sure they are clear on the question of "submission" to Allah per the last message.
Then and only then will you be clear on the rest.
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You and others confused need to make sure they are clear on the question of "submission" to Allah per the last message. Then and only then will you be clear on the rest.
^^ clear just like the rest of the people who cant distinguish between whats farz and whats not.... watever
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Oh Allah guide those who are mislead by trivial matters!
Help them Allah!
(ameen)
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Explain Hareem, I understand it as if its not right but still right.
Shaving your beard dont make you Kafir, but rejecting or making fun of the Sunnah is a sin. On the other hand, not praying at all is a sign of Kuffar.
So people who dont pray at all are worse than those who dont grow beard.
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Oh Allah guide those who are mislead by trivial matters! Help them Allah! (ameen)
Not to disrespect your opinion.....just wanted to share something with u.....which i discussed some time back with the natives of middle east.....
you must have seen movies and documentaries in which they say how severe the wind is in desert it can literally tear your skin apart and bla bla bla....so to protect your skin and from other damaging aspects ,the folks living in desert try to cover their bodies as much as possible........ beard is one of that to protect your face...... the reason mustache is shaved in desert is cuz when your snot or water drip from your nose ..it acts like magnet for sand particles and you can sniff all that when it dries up.....plus its disgusting when your mustache takes a dip in your own drink .
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Yaar LB, its really a non-issue. Beards were the norm back then, every male had a beard, muslim or kuffar alike. Abu Jahl or Abu Sufyan had beards also.
Even Christians or Jews had beards. The idea is make sure you can distinguished as a muslim. There is nothing to be ashamed of being a muslim and if you are let the world know you are, if the beard shows it, well fine. If your actions speak louder then still better. Ofcourse exceptions are always there when you might need to hide your faith.
Logon ka paaichon or darihon per ziyada zor hota bajai faraiz per.
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Not to disrespect your opinion.....just wanted to share something with u.....which i discussed some time back with the natives of middle east..... you must have seen movies and documentaries in which they say how severe the wind is in desert it can literally tear your skin apart and bla bla bla....so to protect your skin and from other damaging aspects ,the folks living in desert try to cover their bodies as much as possible........ beard is one of that to protect your face...... the reason mustache is shaved in desert is cuz when your snot or water drip from your nose ..it acts like magnet for sand particles and you can sniff all that when it dries up.....plus its disgusting when your mustache takes a dip in your own drink .
And If you dont live in a desert then you can grow your mustache and clean your beard or you can shave both mustache and beard.
Is that what you're saying?
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And If you dont live in a desert then you can grow your mustache and clean your beard or you can shave both mustache and beard. Is that what you're saying?
^^ thats exactly wat i meant .....
The problem we face these days is ...people cant distinguish between arab culture and islam. Sadly they always mix it up.
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Keeping a beard is wajib and shaving it is haram.
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^^ sorry to say but thats BS