Re: Lets invite Taliban to Lahore
hey, you guys shouldnt be blaming me, blame Knockout artist for posting such a silly still picture.
the fact is, in the still, she seems to have a massive grin.
many aspects of the emergency are very objectionable, i dont disagree. what i also dont want to see is widespread disruption but that has nothing to do with this thread as its based on a silly picture
Uh, as if women appreciate being mishandled by a bunch of retarded men.
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vroom that kind of handling by men is very inappropriate.
1-Women need to be respected.
2-There is enough (moti)s in punjab police, is some would have cared , they would have send those "moti es"
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They might have been protesting ag/the Jamiat's behavior, but they were protesting AGAINST Imran Khan's arrest. His support of the MMA, his support of anti-government activity in Wazirstan, his criticisms of the government's anti-terror work on the border, and his support for the Lal Masjid goons have ALL earned him what he's getting.
I'm sorry. I am muslim too, and I don't like to see any blood spilled if we can help it. But I do not support any militant activity, and I don't think its representative of Islam or muslims, and its the last thing that the muslim world needs right now. The idea that someone as famous as he is, roosting with these idiots, has had me very disappointed in him. People who are supporting Imran Khan are in essence supporting terrorism. That man deserves to go in front of a anti-terrorism court.
Furthermore, he should not have been at that college in the first place. He wasn't invited to speak. The students clearly did not want his presence there, by the obvious way they called the police on him. He trespassed territory to come in, he had no permission to be there. He wanted to rally a bunch of students away from their studies and risk their lives for his politics. I think that reeks of IMMATURITY.
You are supporting Musharraf by words. He made deals with Taliban in past. While we are asleep he is having Mullah Omar at his door knocking, threatening with more retaliation, unless Mushy comes back begging Taliban to spare his head.
Taliban and ISI talks are on going these days (underground). As Pak's President and Chief of Army staff I would expect more courage from him. Talibans recognisation will make dictators position even worse.
Inqalaab Zindabad.
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A picture speaks 1000 words...Musharraf for sure knows how to treat women. Especially these days.
I don't think he gave any specific order of "hurt them" or "throw them around like dolls", etc. That's the police's behavior and training for you. I'd criticize the way villagers are raised, because that's where most of these guys come from.
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I thought he was being sarcastic about it.
No, I dont think so. Knock-out is a total Jihadi sympathizer. If I met someone like this in real life, I'd have the FBI knocking on his door. He's dangerous and severely misled about Islam.
He apparently thinks that women need to be locked up inside their homes, and kept away from Public life, as a solution to these sorts of issues, because that's exactly what he's proposing.
Knock-out: I don't think that's going to help women. Women want to be able to have a voice in society, they want to have the freedom to CHOOSE whether and how much to be active in society, and they want the freedom to protest politically, hold jobs, etc, and of course, not be mistreated by policeman.
The Taliban will give you none of that.
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pcg, youve mentioned imran khans 'support' for the pak taliban. if you are trying to infer imrans an extremist by it, your wrong. pakistan has a choice, to fight its own or not to fight its own. i support imrans efforts of peace
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No, I'm very serious. I am ALL FOR protesting peacefully. There is nothing wrong with that. But Pakistanis need to protest for the right things as well.
People also need to learn to condemn the wrong actions.
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When Lal Masjid happened and people were crying over Ghazi's death, and the amount of respect that was given to him and his brother, despite all their wrongdoings...PATHETIC.
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I am sorry but I can't recall, how many people turned to streets to protest against Ghazi's killing?
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The Media supported all of this too. Such a serious situation in Swat, presently, and the media has shown its true colors again, only focusing on political maneuvering going on in Islamabad, forgetting the fact that the judiciary is corrupt. They were falsely showing the public the wrong things, and then the same public was on the streets protesting for its own doom because they were being misled. This is very serious stuff. The way the lawyers have behaved this past year with their protests, is pathetic.
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I hope you are not suggesting that all these protesters came to streets after seeing the media coverage of Imran's getting roughed up and arrest.
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Keep in mind, these same protests and tamashay are having a very negative impact on what's still intact in Pakistan. Its creating chaos, distracting people from doing their business, distracting students from their studies, scaring the crap away from investors
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So you want people to accept the emergency and get on with their lives? No protest for their rights? Would you be okay living under Saddam over Pakistan? Saddam didn't become what he was in a year or 2.
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and encouraging extremists.
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oh puhleez, don't put extremist encouragment blame on protesters.
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In no other country are extremists as widely supported as in Pakistan and part of that is due to the media, and partly to the outright anti-Americanism that has sprung up since America went into Iraq.
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No, extremism started long time ago, caught the fire when Pakistan dumped Taliban (right or wrong is separate debate, but that unfortunately is the starting point).
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This is not in Pakistan's best interest. What is in Pakistan's best interest is building a solid economy, and ensuring some freedom to practice religion AS PEOPLE WISH. That means if I don't want to wear a hijab and sit at home, that's MY RIGHT. These very female lawyers protesting against Musharraf, don't understand that if he leaves, and extremists take over, which they will likely do seeing that they have all of NWFP under their control at the moment, that their jobs will be taken away from them and they wont be allowed to protest under Shariat law as they're doing now.
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Did these female lawyers had to worry in 1998 of extremists taking over? Not as much as now and its not their fault. Why do you think that once Mushy leaves only extremists can take over? Why can't be their third party? Pakistan does not consist of pro-Musharraf and pro-extremists only.
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Shariat law, as being practiced by these jaahil maulvis of MMA and Radio Mullah in the north, has SEVERE consequences for anyone that disagrees with leaders. It makes Musharraf's recent actions look like child's play.
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When governments fail to provide basic things like law enforcement and justice then its just law of jungle, some people are trying to "Islamise" those laws, simple.
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All you need to do is look at history. Afghanistan fell in a heartbeat to the Taliban.
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Do you know why?
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Likewise, how switftly Swat and the rest of NWFP has fallen to extremism is very disturbing. WHY wasn't anyone protesting over that??? Why isn't anyone protesting against the prospect of Shariat law???
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Let me ask YOU, why couldn't government control these extremists from taking over? Hint: It was not an overnight process.
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I don't think he gave any specific order of "hurt them" or "throw them around like dolls", etc. That's the police's behavior and training for you. I'd criticize the way villagers are raised, because that's where most of these guys come from.
PCG,
It's martial law, police has BEEN ORDERED to use full force to disband protest rallies. Who give orders to police men? Further more who gives orders to those who order the police men? It has nothing to do with tradition or/and culture. Even a villager can have morals at times even more than a ftv, mtv brain washed townie.
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PCG, It's martial law, police has BEEN ORDERED to use full force to disband protest rallies. Who give orders to police men? Further more who gives orders to those who order the police men? It has nothing to do with tradition or/and culture. Even a villager can have morals at times even more than a ftv, mtv brain washed townie.
Yeah, so the guys doing the throwing around into the vans - where did their morals go? Its common sense to be more nicer to women. But if she's runnign around like a hooting hen, and you're running around after her to catch her (I admit was a bit funny), then what do you do?? There will be some force involved, but these idiot women don't see that this is how protestors are being treated? There are other ways to get your opinions out there. These women could have avoided the situation (you don't see me getting thrown around, do you, and yet, I have been protesting the situation :) Probably a bit more PC than these hens), and the police men could have excercised some more restraint.
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Yeah, so the guys doing the throwing around into the vans - where did their morals go? Its common sense to be more nicer to women. But if she's runnign around like a hooting hen, and you're running around after her to catch her (I admit was a bit funny), then what do you do?? There will be some force involved, but these idiot women don't see that this is how protestors are being treated? There are other ways to get your opinions out there. These women could have avoided the situation (you don't see me getting thrown around, do you, and yet, I have been protesting the situation :) Probably a bit more PC than these hens), and the police men could have excercised some more restraint.
Can you tell me about other methods, practises and techniques how to express freedom of speech to public? Only if you speak out loud and come out on streets you been seen and heard. Thus protest rallies are means of peaceful (I repeat peaceful) projection of your views and opinion to public and government.
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Its necessary to show people that he's a hypocrite. I have no pity or respect for this guy. I probably would never have done anything like that to anyone else, but this guy really cut the cake with his "Taliban need to go into Pakistan and take over" bullcrap.
Hmmm, can't convince you of anything can I? You must know then best. And now do you mind to jump back to topic?
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okay guys ... please make peace now and back to the subject.
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You still think I was trying to flirt with you.** What is it with Pakistani guys?** Tell you what. Next time I visit Niagra falls, given that I don't get jailed from racial profiling at the border thanks to your Taliban friends, you let me know where you live. I can talk to your mother and arrange for a time out.
I'm a Pakistani guy too, so please don't stereo type. Thanks.
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Tell that to the guys who make you people look bad.
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Tell that to the guys who make you people look bad.
At times you should respect others advices, It will not hurt your ego and attitude. I promise. Whatever "THE OTHER GUYS DO AND SAY" is non of my business. "You people", I'm Pakistani with foreign nationality and you people?
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I'm Pakistani too, that's why I make sure to let these people know that the way they portray my people is NOT acceptable. I find it better than ignoring the problem. As evidenced by the growth of extremism worldwide. We just keep sticking our heads underground, telling ourselves that these people are a minority and no one pays attention to them.
A pretty loud and destructive minority, I'd say.
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They are NO answer. They are criminals and should all be executed. I don't even advocate jail. I say they need to be lined up and shot. Every one of them. And if you join that line, I dare say, I wouldn't miss you.
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I'm Pakistani too, that's why I make sure to let these people know that the way they portray my people is NOT acceptable. I find it better than ignoring the problem. As evidenced by the growth of extremism worldwide. We just keep sticking our heads underground, telling ourselves that these people are a minority and no one pays attention to them.
A pretty loud and destructive minority, I'd say.
PCG,
I'm not complaining about you making full use of your FREEDOM of speech.
I know what you mean by pointing at some cheapsters, who have no respect left for the opposite sex.
Phir bhi: Next time do It, but do It in style :)
Especially, such misunderstandings can be cleared via PM System too. Don't you think?
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They might have been protesting ag/the Jamiat's behavior, but they were protesting AGAINST Imran Khan's arrest. His support of the MMA, his support of anti-government activity in Wazirstan, his criticisms of the government's anti-terror work on the border, and his support for the Lal Masjid goons have ALL earned him what he's getting.
freedom of expression perhaps? Governments anti terror work is not only underway on the border, the government is on it even in the big cities of pakistan. Ch Pervez Elahi personally monitors the brutal crackdown against any protest against the 'martial law'
If u live outside pakistan its shocking that u enjoy all the civil liberties living in liberal western democracies and want the pakistani people to be denied their basic human rights.
No, I'm very serious. I am ALL FOR protesting peacefully. There is nothing wrong with that. But Pakistanis need to protest for the right things as well. When Lal Masjid happened and people were crying over Ghazi's death, and the amount of respect that was given to him and his brother, despite all their wrongdoings...PATHETIC.
right thing? whats not right with protesting agaisnt the illegal arrest of a political leader who has no charges against him while thugs like ch shujaat, pervez elahi go scot free