Let's get some sense into all this

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While the backlash against MQM is justified, one must not be so ignorant as to put all-urdu-speaking (I prefer that term) people in the same boat and not recognise the fact that they have played a big (perhaps the greatest) part in the creation of Pakistan

If you look at all the big names that were at the forefront of Pakistan movement apart from Allama Iqbal (Punjab) and Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar (NWFP) the vast majority of them were urdu-speaking - Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, Liaqat Ali Khan, Nawab Waqar ul Mulk etc. even Jinnah (though born in Karachi) was not really a Sindhi

Our stance should be against all such terrorists be it

  • MQM
  • Al-Zulfiqar Tanzeem (the militant youth wing of PPP that hijacked many PIA planes back in the 80s) aptly dealt with by Zia,
  • or JI student workers who wielded such badmaashi in the universities back in the 80s that 4 year courses were being completed in 7 or 8 years all due to strikes, hooliganism, vandalism etc. The engineering university in Lahore (UET) was often referred to as “The University of Error and Terror” because of their very violent and disruptive acts. When my elder brother was studying there in the late 80s, some of these JI student workers even had the audacity to beat the vice-chancellor up in his own office, such was the lack of authority and administration in those days.

So our stance should be against all such people and not just the MQM. I would even like to think that there are many in the MQM itself who don’t approve of some of Altaf’s policies but feel helpless to say or do anything either because they fear him or because they feel indebted to him for other reasons/past favours etc.

So let’s acknowledge the contribution of urdu-speaking people amongst all this and not blame them for MQM triggered badmaashi. Let’s not forget the sacrifices of their (infact I should say our) forefathers. Pakistan belongs to them as much as anyone-else. Let’s also recognise the fact that they as an ethnic group are the most educated people in Pakistan amongst Punjabis, Pathans, Sindhi, Kashmiris and Balochis, a fact also acknowledged by Imran Khan (give him credit for saying that). Hence their domination of Television, Radio and the print media.

Pakistan would be a much better place if we all thought of ourselves as Pakistanis first before anything-else :k:

Lets also not forget the great contributions of those who have excelled at various sports

Cricket - Hanif Mohammad, Mushtaq Mohammad, Javed Miandad, Asif Iqbal, Saeed Anwar etc.
Hockey- Hassan Sardar (who many consider to be the greatest hockey player ever) , Islahuddin (World Cup winning Captain in Argentina 1978) etc.
TV - Moin Akhtar, Anwar Maqsood, Haseena Moin, Fatima Suraiya Bajiya etc.

Just my two cents

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ravage

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by that i meant to list a contribution by the urdu speaking community of Pakistan

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Nothing against your thread or post GA
but ....
hahahaha what a joke....
I mean any one posting against MQM is being sent PMs and posts are being edited, threads are being locked....
Flame of Life, get a real life.....lolz....

I am Urdu speaking, I come from Urdu speaking parents. All my life have never participated in any political movement. But I want to categorically state that MQM does not represent the majority of Urdu Speaking families.
They are below words that I can use to describe them.
This does not mean Mohajirs (Urdu Speaking immigrant families) are to be equated with MQM. Most mohajirs believe in patriotism and national pride. Not a foolish Jinnah pur!!!

And go ahead and delete my post now FOL....
Truth has to be said.....
haha!!

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I am sorry. I dont buy ur story. U may belong to an Urdu speaking family but that does not give u the right to use derogatory remarks against a political party, for which a large majority of ur community consistently seem to be voting.
U talk about truth. I say what's the truth? U've never taken part in any political movement, yet u claim to know the political affiliations of the majority of Urdu speaking community..is that the truth? Why should I believe it when ground realities suggest just the opposite of ur claims? MQM gets majority vote from ur community every time. Thats the truth. U want to live in denial, be my guest.

And I will let this post stay here so that other members of the board can judge ur intellectual acumen for themselves.

Have fun. Toodles.

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^ Alhamdolillah I don't need others to judge my intellect for me.
And BTW, majority of middle class and lower middle class families in Karachi, who are mostly from UP India hold this view.
I witnessed the first general elections held in '88 where MQM took part and formed a coalition govt. with PPP right after.
I was in an Engineering Student so I knew from my class fellows who were from every partof Karachi. From Orangi to Landhi, Surjani to Saddar, what happened in most MQM heavy halaqas or constituencies across Karachi we all knew. FB Area Strong holds of Azizabad, Gulberg, dastageer, naseerabad etc etc. were clear examples. MQM got the vote bank because the people were dying waiting for open elections. Most of the voters were taken back through the voting stations 2-3 times by MQM thugs. Everyone joked and laughed about it as it was the first time for MQM and ppl wanted them to succeed.
Then came the life after wards, where MQM ruled with terror and fear and delivered but little. KMC to KTC, every department was looted. So much so people were wondering why their supposed saviours had become their own enemies. Then the wonderful Haqeeqi split days came. Landhi was like a war zone where no one dared step into.
Finally most people starting becoming numb to MQM and its terrorism activities.
MQMs strong holds would repeat the atrocities they might have been subjected to by the army on any one who they thought was a threat to them. innocent youth who became a party to them after falling for their lies, lost their lives in cross fire many times. Families have been ruined and mothers have lost their single earners due to the adventures of Mr. Altaf bhai and his partymen. That does not mean that others have not done the same in Karachi, but really now its enough. Karachi needs to be rid of this culture driven by MQM.
Those who lived and breathed the tormented life of Karachi under MQM terrorism know much better!!!
So I know how votes are collected and how seats are won. OK. Don't tell me they represent the majority. You know about as much as an outsider would.
Or Atleast you appear as an outsider. Maybe in reality you are a MQM devotee and hide behind this face of neutrality.
The worse face of MQM is not what is being seen right now in Karachi. Its just the most audacious. They know they are in power and they don't care.

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Sorry GA, I didn't mean to hijack your thread....

GS Police Station !!!!
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I see ur point abt MQM rigging the elections but even without the rigging they r the major political force in urban sindh. If they aren't who else is?

Abt my secret admiration for MQM, I am not going to answer that. There's no point.

Do people take pangas with you?
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I think antumul has good points, at least they telly with my interaction with urdu speaking and karachi folks.

Do people take pangas with you?
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Those who are criticizing MQM are not at all clumping all urdu speaking/mohajirs with MQM. It is the MQM supporters on this site who bring them in... Many of us have repeatedly said that we are not against urdu speaking/mohajirs but just MQM and we also condemn other political parties like PPP, PML, JI, etc

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First of all I have thank GA for one of the most inspirational and intelligent post up to date.

Here is the thing, MQM is a political party just like any other. All of these parties are in the same boat when it comes to accusation or facts. There has never been a political party that I have known, which is not self-serving.

Pakistan is a simple country. If there is an election, Punjab will go to Punjabis, same goes with other Provinces. It is only Karachi, Sindh where we have hetrogeneous mixture of ethnicities, political parties and people in general. More one alienates political parties, the more it will back fire and the majority of the people will be left confused and divided. This is how Karachi have been run in past, divide and rule. If other parties have made their intention to serve Pakistan than its interest, we would not see so many homogeneous parties who are identified by ethnicities rather their stand. So, here is a tip. If these parties really want to dismantle MQM, just say out loud, once. We are not against any ethnicities, we are for Pakistan and just once show it. It will end itself. All those things about mafia and extortion only backfires. We live in a third world country, what are you rob from people? They are already poor. Simple logic.

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I am thinking of making a thread of brilliant statements on Pak 1. I think this one will be included as well.

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MQM, ........... All those things about mafia and extortion only backfires. We live in a third world country, what are you rob from people? They are already poor. Simple logic.
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We can safely assume, there are no robbers in Pakistan, people are poor, what is there to rob?
There are no murderers in Pakistan, people are already dead, whom can you kill?

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lusi, just because the offending posts have been moved and some of the involved idiots banned does not mean it was not said. You may not have seen it. But others did and remember.

here is a link

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5049894&highlight=muhajir#post5049894

here are some of the words..that were not thrn in trash..

cowards and loosers like mohajirs have nothing to contribute to the welfare of this country

*Their elders when came from India had 3 things with them. Pajama, pakora and pan *

those Urdu speaking lady-boys wouldnt want to clash with the collective Shers of the Punjab.

  • Usurpers and Opportunists from across the borders who have yet to know the concept of immigration (Hijrat) to date calling the neighbourers to Karachi as economic invaders!
    The city of 400,000 peaceful Sindhis back in 1947 simmers with the hatred and terrorism that Muhajirs have brought with themselves*
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Oh so that's your logic.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that when you blame other parties to alienate them it backfires. Most of these parties are not diverse, they are represented via ethnicities, they win votes via ethnicities and loyalities. Be it army to Urdu speaking. How do you think Mushrraf will win votes, by playing the army card. He is not going to unviel any future plans about environment, poverty or jobs; and if you alieante his party people will be left confused thinking why are we against army?

Don't alienate, rather preach unity. It works. Angry politics goes no where.

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Actually when it comes to MQM, one has to praise the urdu speaking people who showed great courage to stand up against MQM when they were in full swing. The opponents were abducted, tortured, killed and then handed over to police as dead robberers, yet many urdu speaking stood up against MQM atrocities.

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Thanks AA and MWP

Yes the point I was making was that while the MQM's recent track record on violence is the worst among all the political parties, there have been fascists elements in other parties too like the PPP and JI examples I mentioned.

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true, but there is no comparison to MQM.

PPP,PML,etc never set up torture houses, sent its workers to kill thousands, took money and training from Indian RAW, amongst many other things

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Ok, this was all wrong but why no one stops Kehkashan from bringing punjab into every thread without any reason. He is the one who starts, why his posts are not deleted for being off topic and he does that in every thread, you condemn MQM/Altaf and he brings punjab in. His posts should be deleted when he does that. By saying this I am not supporting all those who made the above comments but he should be stopped as well.

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Well PPP is a prominent party and not only predominant in sindh but in punjab as well. And if I remember correctly they did get some seats in NWFP last (or second last) election when PPP made the government.