so this line got me thinking … if a girl subjected to rape, in the name of azmaish when we can clearly see its zulm, will get the best … best as like she is getting jannat firdous or something because I don’t see anything good happening to her after a rape in this world ( then again this world is a preparation for the world here after, then how will seh be able to prepare herself but thats anither topic altogether..anyways) …
the question is if the girl getting raped I mean RAPED is getting jannat firdous & girls who are not getting raped will get jannt too not firdous lets say but jannat ( now dont tell me that there will be no girls who will go to jannat without getting into any mushkil azmaish) … dont you think the other girl who didn’t go through any difficulty like rape got the easy way out?
jannat is jannat no matter firdous or other … dont you think some people are getting the easy way out ?..
so this line got me thinking ...... if a girl subjected to rape, in the name of azmaish when we can clearly see its zulm, will get the best .... best as like she is getting jannat firdous or something because I don't see anything good happening to her after a rape in this world ( then again this world is a preparation for the world here after, then how will seh be able to prepare herself but thats anither topic altogether..anyways) .....
the question is if the girl getting raped I mean RAPED is getting jannat firdous & girls who are not getting raped will get jannt too not firdous lets say but jannat ( now dont tell me that there will be no girls who will go to jannat without getting into any mushkil azmaish) .... dont you think the other girl who didn't go through any difficulty like rape got the easy way out?
jannat is jannat no matter firdous or other .... dont you think some people are getting the easy way out ?.....
there's the difference
if Allah can create the worse situation, He can also give her the best in this world , leaving besides afterwards.
a person should have a strong belief that only Allah is the True Benefactor, no one else in this world , even our own parents cannot change anything for us. yes they can pray but only Allah can change anything
Allah can change our paths or do anything , He is the creator
so this line got me thinking ...... if a girl subjected to rape, in the name of azmaish when we can clearly see its zulm, will get the best .... best as like she is getting jannat firdous or something because I don't see anything good happening to her after a rape in this world ( then again this world is a preparation for the world here after, then how will seh be able to prepare herself but thats anither topic altogether..anyways) .....
the question is if the girl getting raped I mean RAPED is getting jannat firdous & girls who are not getting raped will get jannt too not firdous lets say but jannat ( now dont tell me that there will be no girls who will go to jannat without getting into any mushkil azmaish) .... dont you think the other girl who didn't go through any difficulty like rape got the easy way out?
jannat is jannat no matter firdous or other .... dont you think some people are getting the easy way out ?.....
It all depends on how we take life and what is our belief. Same thing can be test and trial (imtihan and aazmaish) for one and persecution and punishment (zulm and azaab) for other.
Certainly, rape is zulm and we should see that as ‘zulm’ when prosecuting and punishing the rapist. But should treat it as ‘imtihan and aazmaizh’ for oneself as well as for girl, when comforting and supporting the girl subjected to rape.
Actually, such events happen as test and trial for girl as well as humans around the girl. So, when hearing or witnessing such event (rape or any zulm), one should know that however we act and what we thought of it, all is part of our test.
As for other girls (or men) not going through same or similar experience of trial, they get their own trial that we do not know of. Only those who value this life and events more than it means, would think or react too much adversely about it, without knowing that their own thinking and action is getting judged too.
This will be zulm & azmaish thread all over again but who deserves a rape whether as a trail or an exam…… the point I am making in this thread is some people who are getting less worse trails ( may be some are not even getting any) & those who are getting worst of all trails like rape n stuff will go to jaanah ….. the thing is both parties are going to heaven but whats the fault of those who suffered like hell in this world? ….. those who suffered less are going to heaven too … un ke tu duniya mein bhi maze & akhirat mein bhi …..
why some people are suffering more as compared to others but getting the same thing in reward ? ……
oh yeah those who suffered more will get highest place in jannah but heaven is heaven choti ho ya bari ….
Back in the time of Bani Isreal… rapist got punishment next day… Any sin they used to do… written on their doors… and punishment given by people… I think so… not sure… but they had enjoyed foods and other immensities…
But… Nation of Muhammad(saw)… Allah created a different system… some of us will get punishment here and some hereafter… I don’t know… why are you so much curious…Remember… Allah love us more than 70 times than our own moms…
so anything bad happen… Allah ki maslihat hogi… itna mat socha karain…:cobra:
that is so true but some folks our here think that we have free will ...... anyways ...
There is free will of course and we are judged based on our free will. if there is no free will then reward and punishment in this world or afterlife makes no sense at all.
This will be zulm & azmaish thread all over again but who deserves a rape whether as a trail or an exam…… the point I am making in this thread is some people who are getting less worse trails ( may be some are not even getting any) & those who are getting worst of all trails like rape n stuff will go to jaanah ….. the thing is both parties are going to heaven but whats the fault of those who suffered like hell in this world? ….. those who suffered less are going to heaven too … un ke tu duniya mein bhi maze & akhirat mein bhi …..
why some people are suffering more as compared to others but getting the same thing in reward ? ……
oh yeah those who suffered more will get highest place in jannah but heaven is heaven choti ho ya bari ….
Peace unknownnn
Every soul shall never be given a burden beyond what it can bear ... Different people are different, so the trials of people are different.
So people will only suffer more or less not based on the trial but based on their reaction to the trial ... There are some people who can handle rape better than others are at handling a broken finger, for example. To handle something means how their relationship with Allah (SWT) is maintained ... Is it one where the trial leads them closer to Allah (SWT) or one where it leads them further away?
This world is called the low world ... Every pain and every pleasure in this world is low ... It is short lived and of reduced intensity.
Jannah is a permanent place ... Even 70 years of hardship in this earthly life is merely a flicker to the afterlife ... When people even come near Jannah the fragrant smell of it will make them forget any hardship they had in this world ...
The first martyrs of Islam were being pulled on ropes, drawn and sliced open and they were being told that a house awaits them in paradise ... And they exclaimed ... "I know I can see it" when they were being killed. That is historical.
Every soul shall never be given a burden beyond what it can bear ... Different people are different, so the trials of people are different.
So people will only suffer more or less not based on the trial but based on their reaction to the trial ... There are some people who can handle rape better than others are at handling a broken finger, for example. To handle something means how their relationship with Allah (SWT) is maintained ... Is it one where the trial leads them closer to Allah (SWT) or one where it leads them further away?
This world is called the low world ... Every pain and every pleasure in this world is low ... It is short lived and of reduced intensity.
Jannah is a permanent place ... Even 70 years of hardship in this earthly life is merely a flicker to the afterlife ... When people even come near Jannah the fragrant smell of it will make them forget any hardship they had in this world ...
The first martyrs of Islam were being pulled on ropes, drawn and sliced open and they were being told that a house awaits them in paradise ... And they exclaimed ... "I know I can see it" when they were being killed. That is historical.
In your example don’t you think who had broken finger is getting the easy way out….. because bearing the pain of broken finger is way too less than that of the rape…. If Allah wants us closer to him he can change our minds & do that … HE can do anything …. Why putting someone in such a situation …..
At least you are discussing this topic in a more normal way. In some other threads in other parts of GupShup certain people are saying horrible things on this topic.
As far as people going through horrible things, one does overcome more than one every imagines one can handle. Once you're in trouble, you discover your strenghts and sometimes are surprised how you survived something you never imagined anyone could survive and then afterwards find happiness in life again.
In your example don’t you think who had broken finger is getting the easy way out….. because bearing the pain of broken finger is way too less than that of the rape…. If Allah wants us closer to him he can change our minds & do that … HE can do anything …. Why putting someone in such a situation …..
Peace unknownnn
How old are you? Sounds like very young ...
For one person a broken finger could be worse than a rape might be for another ...
Now you are looking at broken finger and rape according to your own perception - I was setting up a scenario with two different people ... Unless you understand what I have written you cannot progress.
Secondly of course Allah (SWT) can change our minds and makes us closer ... but then we would not reach our potential ... which is to choose Him and find every situation to make us remember Him as Total Ruler. That realisation would never come if we were being controlled. Also, how would Allah (SWT) demonstrate that He does not need us? If not by allowing us to disobey Him ... ???
^ I am not looking at rape & broken finger according to my own perception…. Rape is more intense hence there is a severe punishment for rape as compared to breaking someones finger….. the point is both are human beings …….. rape is rape no matter happens to anyone & its punishment is same too for all human beings ….. what you are saying is that a broken finger can be more hurtful to a particular person while on the other hand rape wouldn’t be that much hurtful because one can feel one thing more than the other ………. The thing is both are human beings but their feelings are different … then agin who put those feelings in a human being….. Allah did ….. right?…
Let me give you an example of Hazrat yusuf AS, Zulekha & Asanaat ( if i am not wrong with the name) ......
Lets do the comparison of asaanat & zulekha ....
Asanaat (wife of Hazrat Yusuf AS) ---- > She was a Muslim ( doesn't have to go through what zulekha went through to get Allah)........ She lived a good life from day one as she was a princess too, if I am not wrong, then got married to Hazrat yusuf AS ( again doesn't have to go through what zulekha went through for Hazrat Yusuf AS)...... awesome ...... they had kids together .. super awesome ...... lived a nice, happy & healthy life ..... happy family & all that stuff ..... who doesn't want that ....... Duniya bhi theek .... akhirat tu automatically hi theek kyun .... because world is the place to prepare for hereafter .....
Zulekha (wife of Hazrat Yusuf AS) ------> She wasn't born Muslim .... She lived a happy life though, I mean in the start ...... she cried & cried like anything & did a lot of "girya ozaari" for Hazrat yusuf AS ...... she prayed & cried & went through a lot for Hazrat Yusuf AS ( while on the other hand asanaat got him so easily as compared to zulekha without even dropping one tear from her eyes ) .....
the point is why zulekha ? one went through a lot while other person didn't ...... but going to same place jannah as a reward ??? ......
why one person has to have so many sufferings in this world while the other person doesn't but getting the same thing in reward ???? .....
dont you think asaanat was lucky?? ... she got the easy way out .....
asanaat got jannat without so much pain .....
zulekha got jannat by going THROUGH A LOT OF PAIN & SUFFERINGS .....
Allah has given many explanations why one suffers more than another. Quran even says in some places that people who are not on the right path often have everything they want and an easy life on earth.
About rape equalling other things like broken fingers. I don't think so. A broken finger or most other broken body parts don't bother anymore after a person gets well, a rape however always remains part of a horrible memory and that memory alone is difficult to get through, past and over.
We don't know everything as human beings, we try to find out what we can, we discover many things on earth about the earth and the inhabitants, but we will never know everything. Making wrong conclusions a fact is something that should be avoided.
Some ayatain about some people having more on earth than others:
'If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life), we readily grant them - such things as We will, to such persons as We will: in the end have We provided Hell for them: they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.' [17:18]
'See how we have bestowed more on some than on others; but verily the Hereafter is more in rank and gradation and more in excellence.' [17:21]
We are not Allah, we don't always know why the nasty things happen, we can guess; sometimes it's a test from Allah, sometimes it's a punishment, sometimes it's a means for a terrible person to do more horrible things on earth after that terrible person has already decided never to be a decent human being. Who knows?
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But you cant say that all people who are getting everything in this world are bad people or being punished that’s why I gave the example of zulekha & asaanat…… & Allah said that too "ke mein apne naik bando ko begair maange deta hoon" ……. The thing is some people are working hard , going through exams, trails & what not for jannat but some people on the other hand getting it just like that ….. why soo ?.....
Both are getting same thing as reward but wnet through different trails….. one got difficult trails & the other one didn’t get some or got the easy ones …..
Why ???
I´m not saying that all people who are getting everything in this world are bad people or being punished,unknownnn, I´m quoting the Quran on possible explanations for this in some cases, not in all. I said:
Quran even says in* some** places that people who are not on the right path** often** have everything they want and an easy life on earth.
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Having enough money isn't always terrible, it depends on how we use it and how we feel about it. Becoming rich shouldn't be the sole purpose of life imho, but having enough money does help you have a better life and without money problems most people are better in putting their thoughts to religion, studies, etc. If you have enough to pay the bills you don't worry about health problems for example and if you become rich you can help other people with that money. It all comes down to how you look at it.
Yet, it shouldn't be the only desire in life. I think the aya I quoted from the Quran is about people who care only about wealth and not about their fellow humans nor their religion nor their environment.
We can't know for sure why some suffer more than others. It used to bother me as a teenager and in my early twenties. Not anymore nowadays. It's life. We can never really understand why Allah makes certain decisions.
I hope this ayat helps:
'If Allah do touch thee with hurt, there is none can remove it but He: if He do design some benefit for thee, there is none can keep back His favour: He causeth it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth. And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.' [10:107]
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But you cant say that all people who are getting everything in this world are bad people or being punished that’s why I gave the example of zulekha & asaanat…… & Allah said that too "ke mein apne naik bando ko begair maange deta hoon" ……. The thing is some people are working hard , going through exams, trails & what not for jannat but some people on the other hand getting it just like that ….. why soo ?.....
Both are getting same thing as reward but wnet through different trails….. one got difficult trails & the other one didn’t get some or got the easy ones …..
Why ???
unknownnn,
how do you think of an ideal religion?
Those who worship Allah should not face any hardship in life and should be richest people of the world?