Re: Legacy of Zia ul Haq
Bhutto brought him in to secure his own position and continue his rule...it was bhuttos greed which prompted him to appoint zia,,,,,, so all the gunah and galian ultimately end up with bhutto.
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Mrs. Bhutto's own brother, Mir Murtaza Bhutto for nine years, he headed an anti-Zia guerrilla group, which shared offices with the PLO in Kabul, Afghanistan (and later operated out of Damascus, Syria) called Al Zulfikar or "the sword". Its proclaimed mission was to destroy the Zia regime, and the means it used included sabotage, highjackings and assassination in Pakistan. It had demonstrated that it had the capacity to carry out complex international terrorist operations when it hijacked a Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 727 with 100 passenger aboard in 1981, flew it first to Kabul, where it executed one passenger and refueled, and then to Damascus, where, with the assistance of the Syria government, it forced Zia to exchange 55 political prisoners for the passengers. It originally had taken credit for the destruction of Pak One in a phone call to the BBC although subsequently, after it was announced that the American Ambassador was aboard it, Mir Murtaza Bhutto retracted this claim. But Mir Murtaza admitted that he had attempted to assassinate Zia on five previous occasions. And one of these earlier Al-Zulfikar assassination attempts involved attempting to blow Pak One out of the sky with Zia aboard it by firing a Soviet-built SAM 7 missile at it. On that occasion, the missile missed, and when the terrorists who fired it were capture they admitted that they had been trained for the mission in Kabul by Mir Murtaza Bhutto and his advisers. Now, with his sister in a position to win the elections if Zia could be removed, Mir Murtaza had an added reason to pursue his mission. But he was not the only one with a motive.
Zia's great game had also even offended the United States. The Pentagon that the CIA had become concerned that Zia was diverting a large share of the weapons being supplied by America to an extreme fundamentalist Muejadeen group led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Not only was this group anti-American but its strategy appeared to be aimed at dividing the rest of the Afghan resistance so that it could take over in Kabul-- with Zia's support. American anxiety was also increasing over the progress Zia was making in building the first Islamic nuclear bomb. His clandestine effort included attempts to smuggle the Kryton triggering mechanism and other components for it out of the U.S., which had only added to the tensions.
In any case, with Zia death, the U.S. could foresee an amenably alternative: the replacement of the Zia dictatorship, with all its cold war intrigues, with an elected government head by the attractive Harvard-educated Benazir Bhutto. Flying back from the funeral, Secretary of State Schultz recommended that the FBI keep out of the investigation. Even though the FBI had the statutory authority for investigating crashes involving Americans, and its counter-terrorism division had already assembled a team of forensic experts to search for evidence in the crash, it complied with this request.
The U.S. team assigned to Pakistan's Board of Inquiry included only seven air force accident investigators-- and excluded any criminal, counter-terrorist or sabotage experts.
ISI had called off its investigation at the request of the government headed by BB and had transferred the responsibility for it to a civil servant called F.K. Bandial who had been close to ZAB and PPP.
ek jhoot ke leyaay hazaaron jhoot bolany parhtay hain. He was also killed by this mardood, I don't know what are you talking about?
Re: Legacy of Zia ul Haq
Bhutto brought him in to secure his own position and continue his rule...it was bhuttos greed which prompted him to appoint zia,,,,,, so all the gunah and galian ultimately end up with bhutto.
and Bhutto was brought by Ayub and Ayub was brought by.... we can continue the game here.
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Mrs. Bhutto's own brother, Mir Murtaza Bhutto for nine years, he headed an anti-Zia guerrilla group, which shared offices with the PLO in Kabul, Afghanistan (and later operated out of Damascus, Syria) called Al Zulfikar or "the sword". Its proclaimed mission was to destroy the Zia regime, and the means it used included sabotage, highjackings and assassination in Pakistan. It had demonstrated that it had the capacity to carry out complex international terrorist operations when it hijacked a Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 727 with 100 passenger aboard in 1981, flew it first to Kabul, where it executed one passenger and refueled, and then to Damascus, where, with the assistance of the Syria government, it forced Zia to exchange 55 political prisoners for the passengers. It originally had taken credit for the destruction of Pak One in a phone call to the BBC although subsequently, after it was announced that the American Ambassador was aboard it, Mir Murtaza Bhutto retracted this claim. But Mir Murtaza admitted that he had attempted to assassinate Zia on five previous occasions. And one of these earlier Al-Zulfikar assassination attempts involved attempting to blow Pak One out of the sky with Zia aboard it by firing a Soviet-built SAM 7 missile at it. On that occasion, the missile missed, and when the terrorists who fired it were capture they admitted that they had been trained for the mission in Kabul by Mir Murtaza Bhutto and his advisers. Now, with his sister in a position to win the elections if Zia could be removed, Mir Murtaza had an added reason to pursue his mission. But he was not the only one with a motive.
Zia's great game had also even offended the United States. The Pentagon that the CIA had become concerned that Zia was diverting a large share of the weapons being supplied by America to an extreme fundamentalist Muejadeen group led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Not only was this group anti-American but its strategy appeared to be aimed at dividing the rest of the Afghan resistance so that it could take over in Kabul-- with Zia's support. American anxiety was also increasing over the progress Zia was making in building the first Islamic nuclear bomb. His clandestine effort included attempts to smuggle the Kryton triggering mechanism and other components for it out of the U.S., which had only added to the tensions.
In any case, with Zia death, the U.S. could foresee an amenably alternative: the replacement of the Zia dictatorship, with all its cold war intrigues, with an elected government head by the attractive Harvard-educated Benazir Bhutto. Flying back from the funeral, Secretary of State Schultz recommended that the FBI keep out of the investigation. Even though the FBI had the statutory authority for investigating crashes involving Americans, and its counter-terrorism division had already assembled a team of forensic experts to search for evidence in the crash, it complied with this request.
The U.S. team assigned to Pakistan's Board of Inquiry included only seven air force accident investigators-- and excluded any criminal, counter-terrorist or sabotage experts.
ISI had called off its investigation at the request of the government headed by BB and had transferred the responsibility for it to a civil servant called F.K. Bandial who had been close to ZAB and PPP.
Mir Murtaza was Bhutto's son not his brother, so lets get that right. If the investigation was called off by BB, why was the investigation not started again when NS govt came into office and his son was part of that govt?
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Mir Murtaza was Bhutto's son not his brother, so lets get that right. If the investigation was called off by BB, why was the investigation not started again when NS govt came into office and his son was part of that govt?
If you read it again you will see it is written Mrs Bhutto's brother i.e BB. Everybody in the know knows who were behind his assasination. An investigation would reach the top levels of Pakistani military leadership, civilian leadership and foreign power. So maybe it was decided to not open the can of worms.
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If you read it again you will see it is written Mrs Bhutto's brother i.e BB. Everybody in the know knows who were behind his assasination. An investigation would reach the top levels of Pakistani military leadership, civilian leadership and foreign power. So maybe it was decided to not open the can of worms.
So than how can you blame BB's govt when you are now saying that other people were involved and didnt wanted to open the investigation. If his son couldnt investigate his fathers death how could BB, probably the same people put pressure on her as well. In any case Pakistan is still paying for his incompetence and will continue to pay for a long time to come.
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BB tried to stop or obstruct an investigation, because she was part of the plot. After 2 years what exactly did you want NS to do? The truth did still get out. Did you want NS to purge the army and air force plus ISI? Did you want him to lock up the leadership of PPP? Did you want him to go to war with U.S?
Now that BB is gone, do you seriously think that a new government is going to find her assasins when the current government ignored the matter?
You shouldn't become so emotionally tied to an issue that you become blind to the truth or logic.
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BB tried to stop or obstruct an investigation, because she was part of the plot. After 2 years what exactly did you want NS to do? The truth did still get out. Did you want NS to purge the army and air force plus ISI? Did you want him to lock up the leadership of PPP? Did you want him to go to war with U.S?
Now that BB is gone, do you seriously think that a new government is going to find her assasins when the current government ignored the matter?
You shouldn't become so emotionally tied to an issue that you become blind to the truth or logic.
I dont think I am the one so emotionally tied that I have become blind to the truth or logic. After all I am nto the one saying that after two years of BB's rule when his son was in power it was too late to find the assasins. Maybe you dont realise but all over the world criminals, murderers are caught years later. Maybe you need to wake up and look around.
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I dont think I am the one so emotionally tied that I have become blind to the truth or logic. After all I am nto the one saying that after two years of BB's rule when his son was in power it was too late to find the assasins. Maybe you dont realise but all over the world criminals, murderers are caught years later. Maybe you need to wake up and look around.
Ok name me 1 assassin that was caught after more than 2 years of a president's or a prime minister's murder. Just 1. Either they are caught within 2 years or they are never caught.
Zia's son was a junior minister in the cabinet after 2 years. Now you have BB's husband as the most powerful man in Pakistan due to his party being in power and still they cannot catch BB's murderer. He was the President within months of her murder.
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He spoiled our army . He pushed it into the hands of CIA .
He was chosen by CIA on the recommendation of jordanian king. If you remember it was Pakistan's defence Attache to Jordan who did a military operation in jordan against the palestinians (which resulted in the formation of Black-September faction of PLO). Now If ZAB appointed him on the instructions of CIA then wat is the status of ZAB?.
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and Bhutto was brought by Ayub and Ayub was brought by.... we can continue the game here.
so you saying bhuttoo was not a truely democratic leader? as you say, he was brought by Ayub.?
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I think Zia had one quality for which he stands out above and beyond all other leader in history. The fact that he had absolutely no redeeming characteristics what-so-ever, and his entire legacy was utter disaster. I can't think of anything that he did that was even remotely positive for the country. His era was the beginning of the dark ages in Pak.
Well unless you think religious fanaticism is a good thing, then Zia was the best thing since sliced bread.
Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam
I thought you were of Pakistani origin so I found it odd that you could be anti-immigration yet you were either an immigrant or your recent ancestors were immigrants but as you are neither my comments should be ignored.
What has that got to do with the discussion? To answer your question I am not a Pakistani in Britain, even though I live in Britain and hold British nationality. Have never held Pakistani nationality, neither am I elgible for it, as my parents and even grand parents never held Pakistani nationality.
Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam
I thought you were of Pakistani origin so I found it odd that you could be anti-immigration yet you were either an immigrant or your recent ancestors were immigrants but as you are neither my comments should be ignored.
Immigrants are usually against uncontrolled immigration. Pakistanis immigrating to the west = a controlled process where the host countries save money by importing skilled people, skills the host country never paid to develop. In the case of Afghan refugees we got immigrants who had no skills at all.
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Ehsan put it this way. The US didn't even investigate why it lost its Ambassador and a few other diplomats. Ever heard of the US ignoring the death of its people. The US does a lot wrong but for its own people it is literally the best government in the world.
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I dont know too much about inner politics of pakistan.....
But Zia's support for war against soviet russia was one of the best things he did....
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Ehsan put it this way. The US didn't even investigate why it lost its Ambassador and a few other diplomats. Ever heard of the US ignoring the death of its people. The US does a lot wrong but** for its own people it is literally the best government in the world.**
Not. The US health care system is crappy, they're getting their soldiers killed for the sake of Israel. Their government is the best for big businesses and Israel.
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I dont know too much about inner politics of pakistan.....
But Zia's support for war against soviet russia was one of the best things he did....
..and yet the Pakistani people continue to pay for his "good" deed to this day! The support was good the implementation was all wrong.
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I think Zia had one quality for which he stands out above and beyond all other leader in history. The fact that he had absolutely no redeeming characteristics what-so-ever, and his entire legacy was utter disaster. I can't think of anything that he did that was even remotely positive for the country. His era was the beginning of the dark ages in Pak.
Well unless you think religious fanaticism is a good thing, then Zia was the best thing since sliced bread.
QFT.
Re: Legacy of Zia ul Haq
OP, you're not being "fair to Zia," you're being partial to him. That much is obvious. Your justification of the execution of the country's first democratically elected leader is a shame. Everyone knows it was a tainted judicial process.
Someone here called Zia a mard-e-momin and I actually laughed out loud. Check out the play, "The Leopard and the Fox" by Tariq Ali. It stars Bhutto as the leopard, and Zia as the wiley fox. The BBC tried to ban it back in the day because Tariq Ali infers American complicity in ZAB's execution. It's common knowledge Kissinger warned Bhutto that he'd be "made an example out of" if he didn't stop provoking the U.S. The rest is history.
Rehashing the past is critical to ensure history doesn't repeat itself. The politics of memory is important. He's only been dead 24 years, and we're still living the hellish aftermath. If there's one person that shouldn't be forgotten, it's this sob.