Legacy of Zia ul Haq

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This is more like a mystery. C-130 do not crash even its all engines are failed. Mirza Aslam Bag remained seated in Pak 2. Some one pointed him to sit with senior officers in Pak 1 but he politely refused and said that let him sit with juniors perhaps he knew something was going to happen to Pak 1. When pilot of Pak2 saw crashing Pak 1, he asked Aslam Beg to land back at Bahawalpur airport. He refused and ordered pilot to proceed to Islamabad to take over as CAOS:).

I was posted at Multan in those days, August 17, 1988, at about 3 pm I saw convoy of miltary vehicles rushing towards cholistan desert. Next day one of my colleague said that "PC (punjabi main) Aslam Beg noo patta si ke Pak 1 ne tabah hona hay, innay marwaya hay":)

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Chalo, sun li ab aap nay Zia ki legacy? :biggthumb:

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I don't know whats wrong with you guys..who support Zia ul Haq. He destroyed the country..and because again he hated PPP he created Nawaz Sharif and MQM..whose effect we could still feel until today. He murdered bhutto because he thought..he was traitor. I think military dictators were biggest threat to the country. Be it Zia or anyone else.

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It is due to his policies that the Pakistani society has become so corrupt and hypocritical nuff said!

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Time to forget the past and move on in life. We can't keep bringing up the past.

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They say you can learn from the past, but if the past is about a double crossing lunatic like Zia ul Haq I think the only lesson we should learn is to move on... swiftly.

Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam

Don't forget the repercussions of Zia policies which in coming years destroy the very fabric of society. Who say a single person can't destroy a country?

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Actually to be factually correct. the Taliban were created during the PPP regime of 1994.

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You, honestly, Zia brought russia on his knees. How many pakistani were killed ??
22 and 1/2.

Last 11 year we “supported” a “cleanup” operation in Afghanistan. How many pakistanis were killed ??
35000+

Zia F-in knew some thing. :salute:

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Taliban/Mujaihedeen/Gay-Monkeys .. same stuff. who ever created them with sperms from around the world.. it was simply wrong :chai:

Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam

Ahhhhh the curse of Z, Z & Z :D

Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam

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From what I know a nerve gas was put on the plane by someone. When the plane was in mid air the gas was released via remote control, this within seconds probably killed everyone aboard. This nerve was very sophisticated and only possessed by U.S. However as an extra measure surface to air missile was fired at the plane. There was collusion between elements within the military, the PPP and the U.S. Not only did Pakistan lose The President but also the cream of crop of the army.

Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam

Correct me if I am wrong but are nt you a Pakistani in Britian?

Re: Poor Aitezaz.... Na Khuda hi Mila na wisaal-e-Sanam

Pakistan under Zia deteriorated very badly. Today we suffer the consequences. Gone was the Pakistan of the 60's which were quite peaceful. So many areas of Pakistan are no go zones and sectarian violence is rife across the country all because Zia supported religious extremists and the MQM.

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Things wouldn't have gone this bad if the successive govts of bb and gunja hadn't fanned the flames of sectarianism by not doing anything about it. Zia can be blamed for birthing the idea of fundamentalism, but the blame for taliban squarely sets on the shoulders of bb's naseerullah babar who was their father in 94-96 era.

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What has that got to do with the discussion? To answer your question I am not a Pakistani in Britain, even though I live in Britain and hold British nationality. Have never held Pakistani nationality, neither am I elgible for it, as my parents and even grand parents never held Pakistani nationality.

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^Good answer. Some people think that they only have right to be called Pakistani or think of Pakistan even when they are mentally and emotionally not Pakistani.

As for Zia-ul-Haq, mentally and emotionally he was not Pakistani, as he was not loyal to Pakistan as much as he was loyal to Saudi Arabia and his own sectarian beliefs, even when he was employee of Pakistan and was getting paid by Pakistan to serve Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia or his sectarian beliefs.

Woh Pakistan ka namak khata tha aur sonchta tha Suadi Arabia ko, American ko (probably due to Saudi influence) aur apnay sectarian belief ko serve kernay ka.

On wider scope, Zia-ul-Haq use to think that he was citizen of Muslim ummah rather than Pakistan, and was willing to sacrifice Pakistan for his religious thinking.

Overall, Zia-ul-Haq destroyed Pakistan as a progressive, peaceful and tolerant country and turned Pakistan into terror filled intolerant country.

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Do you have any proof of that or just this is told by some one? PPP leaders were in jails and its workers were severly persecuted by this mardood who called him self as amirul-mominin. That some one who placed nerve gas, could only be an army official very close to mardood whom this mardood trusted him:).

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Mrs. Bhutto's own brother, Mir Murtaza Bhutto for nine years, he headed an anti-Zia guerrilla group, which shared offices with the PLO in Kabul, Afghanistan (and later operated out of Damascus, Syria) called Al Zulfikar or "the sword". Its proclaimed mission was to destroy the Zia regime, and the means it used included sabotage, highjackings and assassination in Pakistan. It had demonstrated that it had the capacity to carry out complex international terrorist operations when it hijacked a Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 727 with 100 passenger aboard in 1981, flew it first to Kabul, where it executed one passenger and refueled, and then to Damascus, where, with the assistance of the Syria government, it forced Zia to exchange 55 political prisoners for the passengers. It originally had taken credit for the destruction of Pak One in a phone call to the BBC although subsequently, after it was announced that the American Ambassador was aboard it, Mir Murtaza Bhutto retracted this claim. But Mir Murtaza admitted that he had attempted to assassinate Zia on five previous occasions. And one of these earlier Al-Zulfikar assassination attempts involved attempting to blow Pak One out of the sky with Zia aboard it by firing a Soviet-built SAM 7 missile at it. On that occasion, the missile missed, and when the terrorists who fired it were capture they admitted that they had been trained for the mission in Kabul by Mir Murtaza Bhutto and his advisers. Now, with his sister in a position to win the elections if Zia could be removed, Mir Murtaza had an added reason to pursue his mission. But he was not the only one with a motive.

Zia's great game had also even offended the United States. The Pentagon that the CIA had become concerned that Zia was diverting a large share of the weapons being supplied by America to an extreme fundamentalist Muejadeen group led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Not only was this group anti-American but its strategy appeared to be aimed at dividing the rest of the Afghan resistance so that it could take over in Kabul-- with Zia's support. American anxiety was also increasing over the progress Zia was making in building the first Islamic nuclear bomb. His clandestine effort included attempts to smuggle the Kryton triggering mechanism and other components for it out of the U.S., which had only added to the tensions.

In any case, with Zia death, the U.S. could foresee an amenably alternative: the replacement of the Zia dictatorship, with all its cold war intrigues, with an elected government head by the attractive Harvard-educated Benazir Bhutto. Flying back from the funeral, Secretary of State Schultz recommended that the FBI keep out of the investigation. Even though the FBI had the statutory authority for investigating crashes involving Americans, and its counter-terrorism division had already assembled a team of forensic experts to search for evidence in the crash, it complied with this request.

The U.S. team assigned to Pakistan's Board of Inquiry included only seven air force accident investigators-- and excluded any criminal, counter-terrorist or sabotage experts.

ISI had called off its investigation at the request of the government headed by BB and had transferred the responsibility for it to a civil servant called F.K. Bandial who had been close to ZAB and PPP.