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Quick question when you say Muslim men. Do you also include the white European Muslim converts or just the brown ones?
I don't wish to generalise on any particular race, but the issue of egoistic male [and even female]mentality cuts across all races, languages and faiths. Its a universal thing.
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Yet you only pick on Muslim men over your two page PMS driven rant. The lady doth protest too much me thinks! Arrr......
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Yet you only pick on Muslim men over your two page PMS driven rant. The lady doth protest too much me thinks! Arrr......
I do not pick on Muslim men. Its just that our Muslim men seem to take advantage of the polygamy rule in Islam. And they look for cases like this to promote a discouraged practise.
And this is not a rant. Its a response to the presentation by Namaan of an unwise solution to the problem presented by the OP
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Ok so your issue is generalization , and to prove that you think its ok to add & remove stuff from Islam . Hey you know what , more than marriage Muslim men abuse food , lets declare it prohibited first .
Women are being exploited by every culture and by followers of every religion . Sometime in the name of marriage and sometime in the name of love and sometime in the name of modernism . When you generalize about this issue then you do a great injustice to 99% of Muslim men , who don’t practice it or do it with good intentions .
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Ok so your issue is generalization , and to prove that you think its ok to add & remove stuff from Islam . Hey you know what , more than marriage Muslim men abuse food , lets declare it prohibited first .
Women are being exploited by every culture and by followers of every religion . Sometime in the name of marriage and sometime in the name of love and sometime in the name of modernism . When you generalize about this issue then you do a great injustice to 99% of Muslim men , who don't practice it or do it with good intentions .
99% of men who practise it do it with good intentions? LOL
Where did I say that women aren't being exploited by others? Of course they are. I was simply talking of how in this particular case men like you are (I consider people who support something to be its doers too) responsible for the exploitation of women in the name of polygamy.
The analogy you give about food is ridiculous. After all alcohol is prohibited in Islam, and people can also say that it is also abused since alcohol isn't always damaging-especially in small amounts, so why did Islam ban it?
sorry but that point of yours was simply incorrect.
And I am saying nothing that is outside the purview of Islam. What did I say? Polygamy was banned? Of course not. I said it was discouraged in Islam so there is no point in trying to promote it as you were doing. I am not deleting anything from Islam. Doesn't it say in the Quran that if you cannot be just then marry only one wife. And it says in the very next part of the same ayah that 'indeed this will be nearer to you doing justice', showing that polygamy is not promoted in Islam unlike monogamy?
And the part I think you have the most problem with was when I said that polygamy is not an Islamic practise. Which is true. Its a pre-Islamic practise that Islam restricted, just like it restricted slavery, so would it be appropriate to call polygamy an Islamic practise in itself? There is a difference in something being a part of Islam and something that is merely permitted (and a restriction in its original context).
And to all readers who think I am on some sort of rant, I am not. I just found a user promoting an irrelevant practise so I felt obliged to rebut him.
Who needs the headache of polygamy when we have been given the gift of Muttah and Misyar. 
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Namaan, the vast majority of men who practise it here can't even afford the second house, extra bills etc and the state ends up paying for them.. Many keep the 'extra' wives hidden..
That's two of the **basic **Islamic requirements broken so how can it be seen as a good thing even from a religious viewpoint?
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Mutah is haram. Period.
And Misyar is also discouraged in Islam like polygamy and slavery. It is only for certain cases.
And try telling this to Namaan or all the British Muslim men abusing polygamy.
Anyways the emoticons you have placed there really talk about your mentality which is sickening for us Muslims, even if your intention was to joke. As Muslims it should be our first priority to set a good example in terms of our character, and if a ghair muslim was to come onto this forum (they already do) his or her perceptions about Islam and Muslims would be shaped by comments and emoticons like these which are not befitting us Muslims anyway. It would make us Muslims look not only like lustful beings but also as hypocrites for criticising the West for its pervasive immoralities.
my point in this whole debate is not so much about polygamy being a good or bad thing but its irrelevance to this issue, in response to certain ‘Muslim’ posters who were promoting it though it is discouraged in Islam.
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I think everyone is talking out of their own experiences . I know a guy who was married with kids , and he married 2 more Afghan refuge women in Pakistan , and not only that be he also adopted their children . I think he had 2 of his own kids , and he adopted like 10 of their . So now in all his family is 3 wives and 12 kids . Now mashaAllah they are all grown up , educated and he has started marrying them off in good families .
Now if someone is practicing polygamy like this then I have no doubt that his intentions are good , as he proved it . Plus those women he married must be a lot secure and happy with a stable life .
So again I would says ''When you generalize about this issue then you do a great injustice to 99% of Muslim men , who don't practice it or do it with good intentions ."
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Insaaniyat, I agree with you that for the vast majority of men polygamy should not be available. However, polygamy existed because it was efficient and produced the "fittest" offspring. The degree of polygamy in mammals is correlated to the size difference between the genders. Humans were fairly polygamous, in that some of the "strongest" males actually did monopolize the most desirable females. Life, as in evolution, is not about fairness but about adaptability.
As society changed we became more monogamous, which has also been a part of human society for thousands of years, and almost entirely eliminated polygamy. Rich billionaires with multiple "baby mamas", and repeated divorces, are functioning pretty much like men used to do. They're practicing pseudo-polygamy.
Insanitary, I don’t expect everyone to understand sarcasm when they see it.
Oh yeah, as far as my mentality goes (which as you say is sickening for the entire muslim population of the globe that had elected you to speak for them) I am an admitted fraudiya loafer luccha lufanga awara ayaash aubaash ghunda badmaash man. Sue me, or bite me 
random self righteous trigger happy people come and go, their lack of comprehension is not my problem.
Okay just kidding, lets kiss and make out…I mean make up…you are a girl right?
Your Best Friend
Me
PS: just saw the post that you are not a hormonal girl but a hormonal guy. Lets not worry about that kiss and make up stuff.
Ps2: but lets make up anyways. Maybe hug and make up, but don’t get any ideas.
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Everybody knows that biologically speaking humans are the only mammals to have monogamous relationships and that too after the advent of Jewish/Christian faith.
Everybody knows? ... That stuff? ... Really??
Look when people say everybody knows type of definitive statements they are usually incorrect.
When it comes to everybody knows..on this topic..all I know is..
Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows
As stated by his eminence Leonard Cohen,
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Everybody knows that biologically speaking humans are the only mammals to have monogamous relationships and that too after the advent of Jewish/Christian faith.
Polygamy in other mammals also usually goes both ways. Not just for the males. So when people argue for monogamous inherent nature of humans, are they counting the fifty percent of the total from the other sex?
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oh X2<3
you crack me up so much haha
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Polygamy in other mammals also usually goes both ways. Not just for the males. So when people argue for monogamous inherent nature of humans, are they counting the fifty percent of the total from the other sex?
And there is no reason why women shouldn't be in poly-amorous and/or polygamous relationships if they wish. After all marriage itself is a religious construct and not a social one. The same with a monogamous relationship, another religious construct. If one does not adhere to the religious views why must they be defined or confined by it? At the end of the day if nobody is getting hurt who cares if its a relationship of 2 people or 4 or 8?
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And there is no reason why women shouldn't be in poly-amorous and/or polygamous relationships if they wish. After all marriage itself is a religious construct and not a social one. The same with a monogamous relationship, another religious construct. If one does not adhere to the religious views why must they be defined or confined by it? At the end of the day if nobody is getting hurt who cares if its a relationship of 2 people or 4 or 8?
Right on.
So why is Communist China so obsessed with marriage?
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How else are they gonna invade and take over the world? 1 child policy has definitely dented their plans for global domination. That and pinky eating their master plan with mustard.
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I think everyone is talking out of their own experiences . I know a guy who was married with kids , and he married 2 more Afghan refuge women in Pakistan , and not only that be he also adopted their children . I think he had 2 of his own kids , and he adopted like 10 of their . So now in all his family is 3 wives and 12 kids . Now mashaAllah they are all grown up , educated and he has started marrying them off in good families .
Now if someone is practicing polygamy like this then I have no doubt that his intentions are good , as he proved it . Plus those women he married must be a lot secure and happy with a stable life .
So again I would says ''When you generalize about this issue then you do a great injustice to 99% of Muslim men , who don't practice it or do it with good intentions ."
Well Alhamdulillah these women are really lucky people. The vasr majority of cases though are not like this and marriage is not a social service anymore. I want women to be encouraged to stand on their own two feet. Usually such women have no choice due to poor education and job prospects. Women should not be dependant any longer on anyone.
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You may think I am dumb when ‘‘misunderstanding’’ your sarcasm but I raised a very vital point that you just missed. If you visit non-muslim forums you can see that their views are shaped by what they read by Muslims, even if it was meant to be a joke they will take it the wrong way because a man joking about a women’s issue still displays his mentality towards women. Now if you want to get rid of the chauvinist image of Muslim men you would refrain from the use of such statements too, however sarcastially innocent they may be